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26. May 2008 @ 02:20 |
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abuzar1,
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Anyway, if you are getting a Quad Core with a 9x multi you don't really need 1066mhz RAM.
The Q9450 has an 8x multiplier, just so's you know. See here:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAWR
mrk44,
If you are worrying about future proofing why not get the Q9300. It's about $45 or so more expensive than the Q6600 and has 50% more L2 cache and they overclock fairly well. I plan on going with a Quad, but I'm going to wait till the third quarter and see what happens to the prices. If I was going to get one right now it would be the Q9300. I'm hoping that the price comes down on the Q9450, mainly because it has twice the L2 Cache (12MB) of the Q9300 (6MB). The only real up side to the Q6600 is it does have a 9x CPU multiplier, so it's a bit easier to OC. I'm in no rush as my E6750 @3.55GHz with 1066 memory does me just fine for now! I plan on putting a Quad in my GigaByte GA-P35-DS3R Rev. 2.0 motherboard. The current model GA-EP35-DS3R is only $120 and is compatible with the 45nm Quads and unless you are looking for a higher end OC, will do just fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128086
Best Regards,
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26. May 2008 @ 02:24 |
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Lp,
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How do you like your 45nm chip vs your 65nm chip?..
hard to tell. everything else is new/better too. I do like it tho. it is fast. I don't want to upset anybody or get into another mobo debate, but I absolutely luv my rampage formula.
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26. May 2008 @ 02:36 |
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mrk44,
I thought that I would add a few choices for mobos.
P35 mobos
X38/X48 mobos
Sorry if this confuses you but if you need SLi or CF some of these mobos might meet your needs and the DFI's are growing on me. ;)
Here's some 1066 RAM to look at as well. I wouldn't be afraid to run any of this in my machine. OF course you will want to make sure of compatibility. Most OCZ stuff is compatible and so is Kingston. I like Mushkin, OCZ, and Corsair.... but you make the choice...
I have the blue Mushkins and some Crucial Tracers (1066) and they both perform well. But for the price of some of the OCZ stuff I'd consider it. ;)
I also own a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P and it's great... it OC's well and runs like a dream with the Intel E6850 and Mushkins...
GOOD LUCK with your choices and ask all the questions you want to here.... these guys will definitely help a person out! :)
....gm
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26. May 2008 @ 02:46 |
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26. May 2008 @ 02:59 |
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here's a cooler for not much money and it works well. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for but it's well liked and does an adequate job. ;) linky to ACF 7
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26. May 2008 @ 03:09 |
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@Greenie
That will work...it fits the budget...and should clear the P/S...I 'm not sure if the cooler that boozer recommended would clear the P/S...It might...but it would be tight...
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26. May 2008 @ 03:34 |
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Lp531
The Chakra case is a lifesaver. I will save so much money going with that. I guess everyone is recommending I get 2GB of RAM, including you, so I guess I'll get the Corsair Dominator, and add two more sticks later....unless the case saved me so much money I can get the 4GB.
To be honest, I really don't think I need the Rampage. I think the Asus P5E X38 is enough for me. Either that or the GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3R LGA 775. Tough decision.....
For the cooler, I have had this
on my list for a while because it's so damn quiet. The only downside is that it's REALLY hard to install. If anyone can recommended a better quiet cooler, much appreciated.
I'm gonna go with the Q9450. It's just the better CPU.
Plus, I'm looking to save some money by going the eBay way. Some of the stuff on my list I can get brand new on ebay for 10 or 20 bucks cheaper. For example, there's a $200 w/ shipping buy it now BRAND NEW P5E X38 that i found, $25 cheaper than newegg....and the corsair dominator RAM is dirt cheap on eBay.
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26. May 2008 @ 03:58 |
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Beware of E-bay...It can work...but it can backfire on you...Go with a reputable dealer...and spend the extra cash for peace of mind...also most stuff from E-bay...does not have factory warranties...because they were not purchased from one of there approved dealers...I would not buy anything from E-bay...I have been down that road and learned my lesson about E-bay...
I would go with a the Arctic 7 pro or look at the one boozer recommended...or a thermalright CPU Cooler...if it will fit...
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26. May 2008 @ 04:06 |
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LP: I am very experienced on eBay. I have been using it for almost 6 years now. My feedback is high when it comes to buying. But for peace of mind, buy.com is pretty good too for cheaper things.
As for the cooler. Will Arctic 7 Pro be enough for the Q9450? And you're talking about the Xigmatek that he recommended right? I hear it's loud and gigantic. I wanted the scythe because pretty much all of scythe's coolers are extremely quiet. Have you ever heard of frostytech.com? They have reviews on a lot of really good coolers.
And, as a final answer on this, what do you think about the two motherboards in my previous post? Which one do you think I will need for not-so-hardcore OCing, but still being a good investment for later?
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26. May 2008 @ 04:30 |
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Of the 2 you listed...I would go with the X38 board...If you could swing the Rampage I would...The Motherboard is the Heart of the computer...also look at the DFI X48 boards...they would fit in your budget...I just prefer Binned products...that way you know you have...the best of the best...
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26. May 2008 @ 05:23 |
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mrk44,
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and the corsair dominator RAM is dirt cheap on eBay.
Getting something as important as memory should be done through a reputable dealer like Newegg, Zipzoomfly and places like that. Buying from eBay could wind up costing you more than you bargained for. You would be surprised at how many fakes I've seen when it comes to high Quality memory. I work on a lot of computers and I'll bet I've seen a couple of Dominators, a couple of OCZ Platinums and a pair of XMS2s in the last 6 months with cheap memory chips replacing the good ones. Lets face it, no one is going to pull their heatshields off and look at the chips when it dies! There's usually no warranty either! Plead your case with Corsair or any company and they may well have you send them in, only for them to tell you you've been had! $64 for the Dominators is well worth laying out to have the warranty and the security that you got what you paid for!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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26. May 2008 @ 06:35 |
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eBay is good for lots of things but as some of the other guys have said you have to be very careful what you buy off there; i too have used it for years, mainly as a buyer, but you still get burned far too easily. Stuff like memory, CPU, expensive mobo etc i would definitely get from reputable sellers, at least you have comeback if things go south on you.
A Quad CPU won't help in gaming (yet) as far as i'm aware, but is definitely great for encoding, the Q6600 for me was a very wise choice, it gets worked very hard and always delivers, with plenty oomph spare to actually use the machine for other tasks.
Some info for DVD-RB and multiple cores - http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/modules.php?nam...iewtopic&t=1385
The HC encoder is quad-capable and it's runtimes are on a par with CCE.
As to the Q9540 being better than the Q6600, i'd previously read this from NuckNFuts in the Overclocking thread - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/83263/4056623
..i'm not an overclocker but i remember that post stood out for me due to the cost difference between that CPU and the Q6600. I'm not as up to date on these things as you guys but that's just my five pence on things :)
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26. May 2008 @ 08:46 |
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theonejrs..Can U suggest a card on todays market that will do what I'm looking 4.. or 1 that can be reliably modified, as I have about 100 VHS Tapes, that U can't find on DVD.
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26. May 2008 @ 09:10 |
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To answer the question about the quietness of Corsair power supplies:
The HX units run at 22dB up to a load (from the electricity socket) of about 400W. My PC at full load using both graphics cards and a heavily overclocked CPU uses 350W. As far as I'm concerned nobody should really need to use dual graphics (don't ask why I did, long story), and with a single card my PC uses a maximum of 220W at full load. Allow an extra 50W if you're going to use a Quad core CPU that's overclocked, you're still miles from 400W. Note that other PSUs run in excess of 30dB after as little as 160W...
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26. May 2008 @ 10:07 |
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sammorris.. How important are the Amps in accordance to Watts..
EXAMPLE: A 400 watt PSU with 28 amps, against a 400 watt W/40 amps.
Yes I know the 40 is better, My concern is strain and overload at lower amps being delivered to other components
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26. May 2008 @ 10:13 |
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I have no idea what load my HX 620W is under with 5 internal HDD's and 3 ODD's, probably not using a fraction of the 620W, but is sure is quiet, very very quiet indeed. No doubt i could've got a smaller capacity PSU at the time but i was spending a fair few quid on it so i thought why not :)
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26. May 2008 @ 11:38 |
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Isn't the X3350 Xeon...basically...a binned Q9450?..
No, not really. It's not better binned, it's the exact same CPU. Also the 3870 is not nearly as fast as a 8800GTS if he is looking to game.
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The Q9450 has an 8x multiplier, just so's you know. See here:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAWR
I was talking about the Q6600.
As for the Cooler, I would stick with the Xigamatek. It's not the cooler that's loud, it's the fan that comes with the cooler. So why don't you just replace the fan it comes with with a quieter fan?
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26. May 2008 @ 12:18 |
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Unless it's a poor brand, any good PSU will be balanced correctly for a typical gaming PC with regard to Amps. A high end graphics card will use between 8 and 15 amps on the 12V rail - The HD3870, 8800GT and the like (not the GTS/GTX) use about 10 I think. An overclocked dual core will use up to about 7 amps, an overclocked up to about 10 (unless you go nuts with the volts).
Creaky: Under full load your PC is probably making about 220W or so if all the HDDs are active - well within the 'idle' boundaries of the HX.
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26. May 2008 @ 13:27 |
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I think the Rampage would really go over my budget. What do you guys think of buying an open box P5E X38 from newegg for $190?
Creaky
On my current PC, I have been doing a lot of encoding on a Pentium 3.0GHz and it's actually pretty fast. I really want a quad core if it will go as fast as you say it will.
abuzar
What fan should I replace it with, and how? Is the fan already separated when you buy it? And isn't also really hard to install it onto the mobo?
I guess I won't be going with eBay then, but Buy.com has a couple of the parts cheaper than on newegg, and the google checkout will only save my more money.
If the Xeon X3550 and the Q9450 are the exact same thing, what's the difference between buying one over the other?
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26. May 2008 @ 13:39 |
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Originally posted by mrk44:
Creaky
On my current PC, I have been doing a lot of encoding on a Pentium 3.0GHz and it's actually pretty fast. I really want a quad core if it will go as fast as you say it will.
I often have DVD Rebuiler Pro running with HC encoder (all 4 cores working hard) alongside DVD Flick and ConvertXtoDVD, and can still burn dvd's, play music, use the pc for various other things at the same time. I'm not qualified (enough) to steer you towards a particular CPU, i'm just throwing my hat in the ring to state that the Q6600 is a fantastic CPU. I suspect the thing that will define your choices is/are the gaming side of things, and in that area i'm definitely quite a few years out of date (plus i lost interest in the Graphics cards 'upgrade game' back in the days of the original 3Dfx cards)
edit- here's an example of my Rebuilder encoding times - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/4/335628#3628341
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26. May 2008 @ 13:41 |
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Originally posted by mrk44:
LP
I think the Rampage would really go over my budget. What do you guys think of buying an open box P5E X38 from newegg for $190?
If the Xeon X3550 and the Q9450 are the exact same thing, what's the difference between buying one over the other?
getting the open box wont give you the I/O panel for the back of the case.nor any cables you will. not sure if you even get the install disc with all the drivers and such. if you allready have this stuff then sure the Open box would be fine.
the Xeon CPU's are "server" cpu's so they say.
well ive tried installing the drivers from realtek shows them being installed but still no sound and the new founf hardware icon keeps popping up. guess im gonna have to format the hdd and try a complete reinstall.
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26. May 2008 @ 13:45 |
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I would pay the extra 30 bucks and get a new one. Or buy an open box Maximus Formula. The only difference is that it wont come with the accessories(back plate, sound card, cables, etc).
The Heatsink is as hard to install as the regular Intel heatsink, but I would recommend getting this for it. In fact I would get this for any heatsink with the stock intel push pins.
http://www.jab-tech.com/Thermalright-LGA...it-pr-3605.html
Ask others about Quiet fans, you will get quite the list. Like I said before, I'm not the person to ask about silence. Also there is no difference between the Xeon or the Q9450. It just depends on availability and whichever you get cheaper. They are the exact same thing.
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26. May 2008 @ 13:53 |
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mrk44,
I know of a couple of ppl that have bought open box mobos. they didn't have any problems but there is no guarantee you won't.
what encoding software do you use? when I upgraded from a P4 3.4ghz cpu to my E6600 C2D, my encode times were nearly cut in half using RB/CCE. I can now encode a complete dvd less previews, warning screens and adverts with 3 passes, including building an ISO and burning, in under an hour with my E3110. if I only run 2 passes don't build an ISO and don't include burning, it only takes around 30 min.
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What's with the Lord of War video there? It's a really good movie, but I don't get your reference to it...
Mort: Those are insane times with a C2D. To do what you said would take well over an hour and a half on my computer.
Actually I just mostly, rip DVD's for backup. Occasional encoding to DVD. I have never heard of DVD-RB or CCE until now. I looked them up and they look amazing. Before I was using AutoGK for ripping, and some REALLY crappy software like DVDSanta and WINAVI to encode to DVD. I also use CloneDVD as well.
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