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27. May 2008 @ 09:50 |
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Interesting - my RAM autoes at 2.14V...
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27. May 2008 @ 10:35 |
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@sam
once i get done with sandra im gonna go into bios and check i all again in there and see what it says. if its running fine like it is. should i change the volts? and when i do go and do my OC should i still leave them at auto and let the board do its work or should i bump them up myself?
i have some more programs istalled now.
i have sandra installed and is running the burn in test right now. it is actually working no errors like before, ive never been able to run the burn in on the old ram...yes problem solved..lol i probably shouldnt be doing it this way but i have dvd-reb finishing up right now in the burn process. and sandra running at the same time... my temps are still in the mid-high 50's runnig both these prgrams at once.
once sandra is done i will post the results. also run a mips of it at the stock settings. which i know what the score will be right at 30,000. but will do it anyway.... im very pleased right now...
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27. May 2008 @ 11:03 |
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ok here is the results from sandra burn in. got some errors with my HDD??
SiSoftware Sandra
Display on Screen
Connection : Local Computer
Board Temperature : 39.0°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.0°C; Max 39.0°C)
CPU Temperature : 35.0°C (Min 35.0°C; Avg 35.0°C; Max 35.0°C)
System Fan : 1386rpm (Min 1386rpm; Avg 1386rpm; Max 1386rpm)
CPU Fan : 674rpm (Min 674rpm; Avg 674rpm; Max 674rpm)
Auxliary Fan : 990rpm (Min 990rpm; Avg 990rpm; Max 990rpm)
CPU DC Line : 1.17V (Min 1.17V; Avg 1.17V; Max 1.17V)
Aux DC Line : 2.05V (Min 2.05V; Avg 2.05V; Max 2.05V)
+3.3V DC Line : 3.36V (Min 3.36V; Avg 3.36V; Max 3.36V)
+5V DC Line : 4.87V (Min 4.87V; Avg 4.87V; Max 4.87V)
+12V DC Line : 2.56V (Min 2.56V; Avg 2.56V; Max 2.56V)
Standby DC Line : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.05V; Max 5.05V)
Battery DC Line : 3.06V (Min 3.06V; Avg 3.06V; Max 3.06V)
Run 1 executing...
Processor Arithmetic : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:16:03 AM...
Processor Arithmetic : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:17:17 AM.
Processor Multi-Media : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:17:17 AM...
Processor Multi-Media : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:18:40 AM.
Multi-Core Efficiency : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:18:40 AM...
Multi-Core Efficiency : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:19:20 AM.
Power Management Efficiency : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:19:20 AM...
Power Management Efficiency : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:38:58 AM.
File Systems : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:38:58 AM...
Error : 3.5" 1.44MB (A:) @ ST3250410AS 250GB (SATA300, NCQ, 16MB Cache) : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
File Systems : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:44:05 AM.
Physical Disks : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:44:05 AM...
Error : ST3250410AS 250GB (SATA300, NCQ, 16MB Cache) (C:) : Write Performance : Disk must be empty to be write-benchmarked.
Physical Disks : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:44:42 AM.
Removable Storage : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:44:42 AM...
Error : 3.5" 1.44MB (A:) @ ST3250410AS 250GB (SATA300, NCQ, 16MB Cache) : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
Error : 3.5" 1.44MB (A:) @ ST3250410AS 250GB (SATA300, NCQ, 16MB Cache) : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
Removable Storage : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:45:23 AM.
Memory Bandwidth : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:45:23 AM...
Memory Bandwidth : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:45:39 AM.
Memory Latency : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:45:39 AM...
Memory Latency : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:47:39 AM.
Cache and Memory : Started on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:47:39 AM...
Cache and Memory : Finished on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 10:49:12 AM.
Board Temperature : 38.0°C (Min 38.0°C; Avg 38.5°C; Max 39.0°C)
CPU Temperature : 40.0°C (Min 35.0°C; Avg 37.5°C; Max 40.0°C)
System Fan : 1646rpm (Min 1386rpm; Avg 1516rpm; Max 1646rpm)
CPU Fan : 673rpm (Min 673rpm; Avg 673rpm; Max 674rpm)
Auxliary Fan : 985rpm (Min 985rpm; Avg 987rpm; Max 990rpm)
CPU DC Line : 1.17V (Min 1.17V; Avg 1.17V; Max 1.17V)
Aux DC Line : 2.05V (Min 2.05V; Avg 2.05V; Max 2.05V)
+3.3V DC Line : 3.36V (Min 3.36V; Avg 3.36V; Max 3.36V)
+5V DC Line : 4.89V (Min 4.87V; Avg 4.88V; Max 4.89V)
+12V DC Line : 1.44V (Min 1.44V; Avg 2.00V; Max 2.56V)
Standby DC Line : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.05V; Max 5.05V)
Battery DC Line : 3.06V (Min 3.06V; Avg 3.06V; Max 3.06V)
Burn-in Computer
Finished Successfully : Yes
gotta love that finished Successfully...lol
stand corrected i wont hit 30,000 mips until i do a OC.
SiSoftware Sandra
Benchmark Results
Dhrystone ALU : 23439MIPS
Whetstone iSSE3 : 22106MFLOPS
Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better.
Performance vs. Speed
Dhrystone ALU : 7.81MIPS/MHz
Whetstone iSSE3 : 7.37MFLOPS/MHz
Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better.
Performance Test Status
Run ID : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz (Dual-Core, 3GHz, 6MB L2, 1.33GHz FSB)
Platform Compliance : Win32 x86
NUMA Support : No
SMP (Multi-Processor) Benchmark : No
Total Test Threads : 2
Multi-Core Test : Yes
Cores per Processor : 2
SMT (Multi-Threaded) Benchmark : No
Processor Affinity : P0C0T0 P0C1T0
System Timer : 3.00GHz
Number of Runs : 64000 / 640
Processor
Model : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Speed : 3GHz
Cores per Processor : 2 Unit(s)
Type : Dual-Core
L2 On-board Cache : 6MB, ECC, Synchronous, ATC, 24-way, Inclusive, 64 byte line size, 2 threads sharing
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27. May 2008 @ 11:09 |
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To be honest, I think that's a question you can answer yourself now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
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27. May 2008 @ 19:36 |
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sammoris: So I don't have to replace the fans? That's a big relief. Less money! I just hope it runs quiet with that xigmatek cooler abzuar recommended.
One last thing before my build is complete: Vista 32 or 64 bit? I am planning to upgrade to 4GB RAM in maybe a year, so I am thinking I should just get Vista 64 now. Is there an advantage? All I have heard is that 64 bit has less driver support and has a lower ability to run certain things.
Oh, and on Q-fan on the ASUS MOBO, how does the fan speed ratio work? What units does it go by (ex. 10/15)?? Same for the Speed Up/Down Response time.
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27. May 2008 @ 19:47 |
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Oh, and on Q-fan on the ASUS MOBO, how does the fan speed ratio work?
it is just a percentage of the fans rated/top speed. enable Q-Fan in the bios and select the percentage you want the fan/s to run. very simple. the speed won't change until after you reboot.
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27. May 2008 @ 21:53 |
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That's only for certain motherboards though, all the Asus boards I've owned have had QFan, but none have had variable speeds.
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27. May 2008 @ 22:19 |
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i was just over at microcenter looking around at fans and such. Stumbled across some mobo's intel,asus,gigabyte,biostar.....they had 2 of the asus formula maximus mobo's. so i opened it up to take a look see...WOW!!!!!!!! that board looks awsome. if i had $339 to spare id give that a try..lol
then looked at some cases. the NZXT lexa it had a ASUS P5N E mobo with a AMD Phenom in it water cooled. that looked sweet as hell also. and it had a Coolermaster 750w real power PSU in it... couldnt hear it running at all.. i beleive the REAL POWER series are the ones to get in the Coolermaster PSU's
as for fans. seen some silenx 120mm fans. 14db at 1400rpms pushing 74cfm now thats some nice air movage and quiet.....but theyt were $29.99. a little out of my ranges..lol
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they also had a cool gigabyte water cooling system. had a little resivor tank for the back of the tower. ran a nice blue looking solution through it
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27. May 2008 @ 23:30 |
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cincyrob,
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as for fans. seen some silenx 120mm fans. 14db at 1300rpms pushing 74cfm now thats some nice air movage and quiet.....but theyt were $29.99. a little out of my ranges..lol
Yeah, they're quiet all right. Not! They were designed by the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny with a little help from Santa! ROFL!! Try doubling that Dba and add a few Db! If you guessed 32-33 Dba, you would be just about right! Silenx is notorious about lying about their noise levels! I'm sure you knew that and were just funnin with us! ROFLMAO! Oh and the box it comes in still says 60 cfm on it, but hey! It's a "Magical" fan! LOL!!
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28. May 2008 @ 00:09 |
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From what I've heard premade water cooling isn't the greatest. To do it right you have to do it yourself.
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28. May 2008 @ 00:22 |
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28. May 2008 @ 00:29 |
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cincyrob,
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well i said 74cfm i ment 72
Problem is they only work that good in a Parallel Universe! LOL!! Seriously, they are junk! They vibrate and have a very short lifespan. I set the one 120mm I tried on the desk and plugged it in and it started scooting around. Same with the 40mm I had on my chipset. It was supposed to run at 3000 rpm at 14Dba to produce 6 cfm. Problem is it runs at 4500 rpm and is loud! It does move 6 cfm of air, but not at 3000 rpm! I finally had to replace it because it kept shaking the NB heatsink loose. The Antek I replaced it with does it's job nicely at 2200 rpm. It's rated at 6.5 cfm at 26Dba. It's actually a couple of Db quieter than that when mounted to the Enzotech NB Cooler at 24Dba Add the Silenx fans to your "Products not to buy" list, as they suck! Seriously suck! Oh! They seriously lie too! ROFLMSOAO!!!!!!
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28. May 2008 @ 01:34 |
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Hey Mr. Senility!!!! :) You look at any of those links that I posted?? I don't know fans that well and sammyboy is sleeping so you is the only "person" that can comment that I know. ;) I'm sure that RedRob is sleeping by now as well so give your opinion on those if you can. thanks.
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28. May 2008 @ 01:46 |
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28. May 2008 @ 05:04 |
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Hey Mr. Senility!!!! :) You look at any of those links that I posted?? I don't know fans that well and sammyboy is sleeping so you is the only "person" that can comment that I know. ;)
Yes I looked at them. Problem is the only ones I was interested in were non-ball bearing. I would be lucky to get 4-5 months out of them with the fine dust here. The Sony bearings for all their hype, are the worst! Dust stops them up very quickly! It clogs the magnetic seals!
Since I've only recommended 2 fans for over a year now, you know I love the SilverStones. My FM121-B 120mm is over a year old now and still works as well and is even a bit quieter than when I put it in. The FM83 80mm is about 8-9 months old and not a peep out of it. No squeaks, rattles or noises of any kind. The most amazing think about them is how vibration free they are given the amount of use I've given them, and you don't always get every bit out cleaning them. Put your fingers right over either fan hole out by the screws and the vibration is next to nothing. In a case like the "Lexa Blackline" which is known to be a very good cooling case. The rear 120 would be turning 800 rpm and pulling over 35 cfm of air! The 80mm will fit the top better than any square 80 ever could, thanks to the round frame and 92mm fan on the FM83. Take a look at this pic and you'll understand why!
See those open spots on the flat side of the fan? Notice the way the fan is mounted below the vent? They use the airflow through the vent to help pull more heat out of the case. With the round FM83 it will pull that heat 360 degrees around the inside of the case. It also puts less load on the fan itself as that air never gets compressed by the fan, but rather carried along with the moving air!
Talk about a perfect marriage! That's another 25 cfm of air blowing out of the top of the case case where it would be quietest, especially since my 80mm vent on my case now, is shaped like a stop sign so it restricts some of the airflow! The Lexa has a vent the size of the fan itself so it should be even quieter at minimum speed. I would leave the other fans alone and see what happens. It should cool anything you put in it pretty darn good!
Like my choices! They sound good to me! They better, as the "Lexa Blackline" will be my next case! I plan ahead! LOL!!
Russ
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28. May 2008 @ 08:05 |
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no i wasnt trying to start a fan war here..and NO i dont need any fans i have tons of them..lol even got a couple of them pretty red thunderblades...lol i was just commenting on that fan i saw there cause of the air it pushed at such low db(so it says) thats all.
instead of completely formating my sata drive and looseing everything i have on it again(for now) im formating my small 100gb ide hdd and gonna unplug my sata hdd and use this IDE and install xp on it like a new install and go from there and see if i get sound when i install my mobo and gpu install disc...if that work ill just keep my 250 sata as storage.....now can i have 2 HDD with OS on them and will it see the IDE as the master drive if i set the jumper as master????
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28. May 2008 @ 09:10 |
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Erm Russ, Fuel to your fire, that 80mm fan you posted a picture of? It's completely useless. It's very quiet, but so is not having a fan there at all, and there may as well be for all the good it does. That fan only runs at about 1000rpm, and for an 80mm fan that's pathetic. The bottom slot additionally does not have a fan, it only has a slot to put one down. Fortunately, in the UK at least it's only £6 to buy two Nexus Realsilent fans and they really get the air moving.
An interesting thing I found though, is that with the fan removed, the ventholes are surprisingly large and open, and if you leave the fan off the air can get through pretty well anyway. As it stands right now with my side fan exhausting rather than intake, I can feel a substantial amount of air being sucked down through that hole.
Regarding SilenX, this is one thing me and Russ agree on down to the bottom. SilenX are a very poor showing of a company in the marketing department at least, and probably in the quality department too. Their sound levels are complete bull, and their fans are very expensive, and get beaten hands down by the Scythes, Silverstones, Nexuses, Noctuas and in some case even Antec fans.
Greensman: You know those five fans you listed. Out of all of those, the Scythe and Silverstone are probably the only ones that are remotely any good. Enermax fans are rubbish, Coolermaster fans are rubbish, Arctic Cooling fans are pretty bad as well for not pushing much air.
As for watercooling, Abuzar's right on the money. It's only worth doing if you spend the time and effort doing it yourself properly, and doing so is expensive, and can be a bit of a trial. Very rarely is cooling performance that great required.
Mrk: Parts list looking good buddy!
Last but not least, Rob. You liked the silenx for the "air it pushed at such low dB" - actually it pushes a lot less air than it says it does, and is a lot noisier. An 11dB SilenX fan for example is actually 26dB. That's how bad their specifications are. Of course SilenX are not alone, Noctua are just as bad for it as well.
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28. May 2008 @ 09:44 |
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its not that i liked the silnex fan it was the idea of the amount of air it said it pushes at the low db. if you guys say its louder than it states i beleive you. i have never had any and dont really need any more fans.
well except this here. on the back of my mobo try. there is the air holes where the CPU is and then on the case there is air holes also. it looks like you can put a small 80mm fan right there on the back of the mobo tray. is this possible
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28. May 2008 @ 09:45 |
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I spotted someone at my LAN party who has an RC-690 and noticed this. I'm not entirely sure what it's for to be quite honest.
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28. May 2008 @ 10:12 |
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i think i can put a small 80mm fan in there. but it might have to be a thin one, im not sure if the normal sized one will fit
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28. May 2008 @ 10:14 |
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28. May 2008 @ 10:29 |
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and did ya pick the red one just for me...lmao
im gonna look into these more maybe sucking some air directly off my cpu will help drop the temp some
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28. May 2008 @ 10:30 |
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Actually no, the red version is the one I bought. I asked for the UV version, but received the LED version. No matter though, still looks good!
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28. May 2008 @ 10:35 |
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ok now im reinstalling xp now. well im done with it and installing my gigabyte disc now. it is telling me i need SP1/2 to install my HD audio drivers. do i need to goto microsoft and DL these SP? and it is only seeing my HDD as 125gb not the 250 it is. i had this problem once before and forget how i fixed it. any ideas?
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