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15. June 2008 @ 04:56 |
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creaky,
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Yeah i use those gold Crucial Ballistix, DDR2 PC2-8500 1066MHz, they run perfectly at the rated 1066MHz, though they're from late last year
Yeah, last year the black ones with the lights were absolute crap! Now it seems the good chips go to them. Like you, that's what I've been hearing lately too!
Russ
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15. June 2008 @ 05:49 |
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creaky, no Off T :P
On T, my 7800GT is seeing its last days. i have £180 right now, ready for the 4870 (which i will get to about £220) in the 2nd weeks of july, BUT the card has started artifacting, and once has BSODed in cod4, (due to the memory, on the gfx card)
Should i get a smallish (3850) upgrade right now, and then wait even longer for the gfx card, or do you think it will last a month?
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15. June 2008 @ 06:18 |
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I wouldn't risk it, buy something cheap to get you by now, even if it's a dirt cheap ebay job (I wouldnt fork out for a 3850 right now, you might not make the cost back) then go for the 4870 when it's out.
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15. June 2008 @ 08:01 |
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Lp, I was sleeping.
The 8800GT was GREAT. It overclocked like crazy and the BIG ASS cooler on it did a good job.
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15. June 2008 @ 08:21 |
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Originally posted by Lp531:
This is the memory I was looking at...
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $67.99($27.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate)Free 3 Business Day Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148069
LP531
please do not get those sticks of mem. those are the same ones i had. this straight from crucial. these stick are not 100% compatible with the P35 chipset.no matter what manufacture of the mobo. they have knowing problems with ASUS,DFI,GIGABYTE P35 boards. as you said they are single sided 8 chip mem sticks. they replaced my 1066 with 800 double sided 16chip sticks. from whati have read. the tracer rounds are the ones that are now 16 chip double sided sticks
but the ones you are looking at are crap. that was my problem the whole time with my build, but now 4 months later i got it right..lol
the corsair 1066 dominator i think are the cream of the crop right now. but i have heard the OCZ 1066 sticks are pretty reliable also
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227239
heres a shot of my temps this morning. bout the best i have seen on my 3.6ghz OC.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/Cincrob/everest-10.png
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15. June 2008 @ 08:39 |
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Rob, your "emps" huh?
Alright logging off now. If I am fortunate enough to get internet this night, I might be back. Later!
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15. June 2008 @ 10:34 |
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took the route Russ just did.
TEMPS with Dvd-Rebuild running
guess if 57c is as high as it gets whille running Rebuilder im happy.
plus only 45mins to do a 7.43gb movie...i now remeber why i liked this 3.6ghz OC...lol
ill post the scan of this movie burnt and the dvd-rebuilder log over in the nero scan thread.
and to all you dads out there HAPPY FATHERS DAY.
Enjoy yourselves
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15. June 2008 @ 10:47 |
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That's really quite impressive, for that overclock, using DVDRB, good job! :)
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15. June 2008 @ 16:07 |
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15. June 2008 @ 16:55 |
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i clocked my 800MHz ram over 1066 (around 1100) why nto get that instead
(i have corsair xms C4, so all i did was loosen the timing form 444 12 to 555 15) (same 2.1V)
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15. June 2008 @ 17:58 |
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LP531 i have to agree with shaffaaf on the memory anyway people are having problems with the 1066 stuff
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15. June 2008 @ 19:00 |
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shaffaaf,
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i clocked my 800MHz ram over 1066 (around 1100) why not get that instead
Mainly because you can't count on that to happen. They might be very overclockable and they might not! I've had memory that overclocked well and purchased more only to find the the newer modules wouldn't OC for spit! As I stated before, Morty and I have had no problems with our Dominator2 1066 memory running at 1066MHz. They run cool at 2.1v and need no additional voltage to run at 1066!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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15. June 2008 @ 20:03 |
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i never said not to buy the 1066, not once did i hint they were rubish either. just stating what i did with mine.
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15. June 2008 @ 22:21 |
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shaffaaf,
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i never said not to buy the 1066, not once did i hint they were rubish either. just stating what i did with mine.
No, you didn't say anything bad about the 1066s or not to buy them. All I was trying to say is no pair is alike. I know people who have gotten 1200+ out of last years Gold Crucial Ballistix. Abuzar did! Nobody is doing that with them this year though! In fact, right now it's about the worst memory you can buy Ya just never know. The only really good thing about 1066 memory is that it's guaranteed to run at 1066 MHz, so if it doesn't you have a legitimate complaint, and some recourse!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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15. June 2008 @ 22:47 |
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As far as I see, if there's any problem with 1066mhz units, then buying 800mhz stuff and expecting to get it to 1066 is even less likely. There aren't any reported problems with the Dominator 1066 stuff, at least I don't think there are, so it seems like it's still a relatively safe bet. Of course for a lot of situations you have to consider whether you actually need 1066mhz RAM.
In other news,
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.ht...W50aHVzaWFzdA==
You may have spotted the impact of this recently - to us it isn't that big a deal, we tend to stick to a few 'good' GPU brands, but to the end user, it must be an absolute pain in the proverbial. The means under which this is enforced is another example of nvidia's rather odd corporate attitude.
Oh, and somewhat bigger news:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...280-scores-here
Season as you like. If this is how the card truly performs (and given the number of previews out there now and proximity to launch date, that seems quite likely) this card is big news. Sadly it sits in the 'monster' category meaning it won't be able to use a quiet third party cooler or be remotely affordable, but it will mean that a solo card will rewrite the books on what is and isn't playable.
Crysis, for example is now pretty smooth at 1600x1200 with 4xAF, even in DX10 mode, and even with 16xAF at 1920x1200 remains playable at 28fps, versus the 9800GTX's 11. Willing to settle for Medium Quality? The GTX280 pulls nearly 50fps set to this at 2560x1600.
Hellgate London is essentially a maxable game - in the more demanding Streets area, 2560x1600 with 8xAF in DX10 mode sees more than 40fps.
The Same goes for UT3 too, 2560x1600 with 8xAF in the more demanding map 'Suspense' the card achieves an impressive 49fps - it's worth mentioning that due to lack of memory, the 9800GTX only makes 2fps here. Realistically though, the actual difference between the cards for all other scenarios is about 55%, when CPU limits aren't involved.
Call of Duty 4, somewhat unsurprisingly is a maxable game as well - at 1920x1200 with 4xAA and 16xAF the frame rate is barely below 100 - With the 1GB of memory available, 2560x1600 with these settings should also be silk.
As ridiculously demanding as Call of Juarez gets, as long as you stick to 1920x1200, you can keep above 20fps even with 4xAA and 16xAF. The improvement here compared to other cards seems relatively minor until 2560x1600, suggesting that whilst the game is graphically demanding (the 9800GTX drops to 9fps even without AA at this res), the CPU is just as important - and these tests were taken with a QX9650.
Stalker is also maxable - 50fps plus at 2560x1600. AA or AF aren't used, because they're basically broken for the game, no matter which card you use.
Lost Planet is also smooth at 2560x1600 with AF in DX9 mode. DX10 however is a massive hit, and knocks the frame rate back to 12 in the Snow zone. Stick to 1920x1200 though and you'll get 60 frames, even with AA - perhaps even 1GB of memory isn't enough?
World in Conflict, being an RTS game, is perfectly playable at any setting. Unless it supports DX10.1 so you can turn on AA in DX10, the game is not going to lag with this card. Company of Heroes sits in the exact same position.
Battlefield 2142 and Quake Wars: Enemy Territory are completely maxable, as are Half Life 2 Episode Two, and Team Fortress 2.
FEAR, when you turn everything up to maximum and add the AA is so demanding that even the GTX280 can't keep up... :O
Bottom line, unless you use a 30" monitor and like your AA, the GTX280 will be so fast, there's very little reason to want two of them even if you could afford it.
According to this bench list the GTX280 scores X4800 in 3dmark vantage extreme. Supposedly the HD4870X2 is pulling around 5500. As to whether this is reflected in real world titles though, uncertain. Question is, do you go with blue screens, reboots and graphical corruption, or a huge noisy cooler you can't replace without water cooling? Decisions decisions.
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16. June 2008 @ 01:15 |
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HUGE NOISY COOLER!!!
Good thing I'm waiting on building a new computer. That really is impressive. Is The Inquirer trustworthy?
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16. June 2008 @ 01:29 |
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Well, that's what I keep asking myself. Usually I'd say no, but the fact that an entirely separate benchmark seems to validate a few of the scores mentioned on it seems to suggest that it could in fact be true. I'll see if I can find out what the actual power consumption offset is, and if it's remotely reasonable, I think my next card may well be an nvidia once again - two HD4870s will match it, but only when crossfire works, and to think that this card gets this level of performance for every game it runs rather than just a select set makes it very attractive indeed. However, for me to go with it, there will have to be a way of using it quietly - else I'm going with Plan B. It'll be a long while before I can afford said plan, but right now it'll be a while before I can afford anything much... :P
This Plan B, is to have two simultaneous gaming PCs up and running, for compatibility, testing etc. purposes. I like my low power usage, low heat, silent PC, but the numbers of games I play that run badly because I use an ATI card is getting rather disappointing now - it would be nice to have an everyday PC that I can play normal less demanding games on, then to have a not so quiet, not so efficient one I use when I need to play something demanding...
Not going to be a cheap project, but I think it could eventually be worthwhile - it will also leave me with a hardware testing platform. This is all many months down the line of course, but hey.
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16. June 2008 @ 01:42 |
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First of all it's been along time sense..I've been here happy belated fathers day to all the dads out there..well you'll be happy to..I've done away with the clear case the point was right it was'nt keep'in the e6750 cool enough to Oc so it's packed back up in the box..now..I got it up to 3.26ghz running at good temp at 33c at idle and 47c with orthos strees test..but i have a small problem i have to run the memory lose if..i go pass 3.00ghz on the cpu but at 3.00ghz..i can tighten up the memory at 4-4-4-12 consair to run it you have to have at 2.1v with.i believe changed to 0.1v in the bios to run the 4-4-4-12 timing but it will not hold it will restart to default setting..anyway..i'm just glad to have a new case for fathers day..to keep things alittle cooler..
Specs 4 now..
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=376320
Done out of Here!
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16. June 2008 @ 09:51 |
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Will what are your voltages for the cpu and RAM?? I would expect an increase of some sort for the OC you're trying to achieve. Your cpu to 1.4v (somewhere near there) and your RAM to 2.1v at least... that's normal running voltage (under your BIOS for your mobo I would say an increase of +0.3v would get you to 2.1v).
You'll have to push your MCH and FSB up a bit too if you intend to take your OC higher.. jm2c on the matter. :)
good luck....
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btw ME likey the NEW case..... :D
Lp531 good to see you buddy. :) You might look at some Mushkin too. :D btw I like the OCZ stuff... seems to be better than Crucial for now.... of course the Corsair PC2-8500 is getting good reviews and there a couple of members here that have it. ;)
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16. June 2008 @ 10:51 |
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for me, ill wait for both benches for the GTX 280 AND the 4850x2/4870x2 so long as the drivers are fine and benches, IMO i think im going ATI.
BTW, the reviews of the GTX 280/ 260 are out, with the GTX 260 being about £300 and the GTX 280 around £450.
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16. June 2008 @ 10:55 |
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Haaha, NINE HUNDRED freakin dollars.
And I was thinking I might be able to afford one!
Hey LP, why don't you wait till these new cards are out?
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16. June 2008 @ 11:07 |
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well we get ripped off, im sure its $399 and $499 for the 260 and 280 repectively.
i have now seen the 260 as low as £260 and the 280 as low as £400.
in 2 weeks, after the inital mark up, im sure MOST 260s will be aroun £260, and most 280 will be £410 aswell.
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16. June 2008 @ 11:22 |
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speaking of voltage.
i was looking at my CPU at newegg. in the specifaction it now shows my volt range is now from .85v-1.3625v
the max when i bought mine was 1.2250v
Will. i was just loking at all your stuff also. you can take your mem up to 2.1v thats the standard for it and the E6750 the max on it is 1.5v i think Russ might have his @1.44v??? correct me if im wrong russ.
you chould be able to get 3.4-3.5ghz out of it.
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16. June 2008 @ 11:55 |
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ok i took some of my own advice..lol
i bumped my vcore up to 1.3000
then took the CPU to 3.78ghz.also loosen'd up my mem some to 5-6-6-19
it is overclocked as well. uo from 800mhz to 840mhz
right now its stable in sandra. and has run about 30 mins so far in OCCT. once done with that i will run ORTHOS for a hour or so. the mem volts are still at +.03 never did take it to .04(2.2v)
with this OC my temps have gone up some under load.65-68c
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16. June 2008 @ 14:58 |
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HOW MUCH? Holy brown stuff! Well that's officially off the list.
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