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14. June 2008 @ 17:40 |
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I think my results prove its cooling performance is excessive - however, in a hot room with low speed case fans the Freezer 7 does get quite noisy keeping your CPU below 50 degrees, and if you've overclocked it a lot, that's probably about as high as you want it going.
By the way for those of you who're interested:
Single HD4850 - Crysis Benchmark (QX9650@3.2Ghz) - all settings high, DX9, Win XP:
1680x1050: 35fps
1680x1050 AA: 24fps
1920x1200: 30fps
1920x1200 AA: 20fps
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14. June 2008 @ 20:58 |
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sammorris,
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however, in a hot room with low speed case fans the Freezer 7 does get quite noisy keeping your CPU below 50 degrees, and if you've overclocked it a lot, that's probably about as high as you want it going.
How well a case ventilates is absolute key to how well the CPU cooler performs. I can run mine without the fan! The temps are higher and I have to increase the rear fan speed. With the fan back on the AF7-Pro the case fans can both run at 1300 rpm and my CPU will Idle at 28-30C with an ambient temp of 26C and the CPU fan running at 1000 rpm. It's been on about 8 hours now so everything is as warm as it's going to get. 59-60C is it with both cores maxed running OCCT! I encode with DVDRB/CCE and my temps are in the mid to high 40s. OCCT is the only thing that pushes my CPU fan above 1800 rpm, even then only to 2200 rpm or so and yes it makes some noise, but it's not annoying in any way.
I think that the case manufacturer's need to sit down and pay attention to the way their cases manage airflow. I'm running the 64x2 4800+ in a small mid-tower case with a single 92mm rear case fan, a Freezer 64 and a 50mm fan screwed to the NB heatsink, in a room that never gets below 26-27C during the day! This in a case designed by eMachines for God's sake! ROFL!! Yet somehow they got it right! The first thing I noticed about the case was there are 3 rows of vents the length of the case, that start about 1.25" above the bottom of the case. These have fixed louvers on them that direct the air to meet from both sides, about mid case. I chose the Freezer 64 because after doing a lot of measuring, as I was trying to find one that would exhaust straight into the rear exhaust fan, and it was the closest fit. The Freezer 64 misses dead center by about 1/2". The whole combination works perfect with 1 lousy eMachines stock 92mm case fan! I've see it be 32C (warm) in there and the CPU temp at 34-35C. To my mind's eye that means more attention needs to be spent on the static air venting and less time being spent adding more fans! You have to admit that the fan count is getting a bit out of hand, don't you think? Look at some of the CM cases! One or more models have a place for 4 120mm fans just inside the cover, and it still doesn't cool all that well! NZXT just came out with a case that comes with 3 internal 120mm fans mounted on a frame behind the Optical drives. These do not use air from the outside directly, but rather just blanket the inside of the case with air from front to rear! There are 7 fans in that thing! 2 front 120mm intakes, 3 120mm internals, 1 rear 120mm and 1 140mm top fan! What I'm hard at work on right now will eliminate the need for the 3 internal fans in the Khanos, cost a heck of a lot less and do a better job in the process! You won't have to chain the computer to the desk either! LOL!! Stay tuned, we're close to the final plans that I can take to my investors!
Best Regards,
Russ
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14. June 2008 @ 21:23 |
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To be fair, my case cools very well with reasonable speed fans - it cools adequately with them at only 700rpm, and that's saying something. Best of luck with your idea though!
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14. June 2008 @ 21:39 |
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sammorris,
If you want to be encouraged by my progress, I have a prototype in place in mine right now!
The ambient temp is right at 27C and a bit uncomfortable, but things are staying very cool indeed! Just as I had hoped!
Russ
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15. June 2008 @ 00:27 |
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Yes, the freezer 7 pro might be enough for most people with dual cores, but the situation changes drastically with a OCed Q6600.
Of course, ZoSo is getting a Q9450 so cooling shouldn't be a problem.
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15. June 2008 @ 00:41 |
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abuzar1,
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Yes, the freezer 7 pro might be enough for most people with dual cores, but the situation changes drastically with a OCed Q6600.
Well hang onto your seatbelt then because I do have a Quad in my plans, and it will be with this MB and my trusty AF7-Pro, overclocked! Cooling will not be an issue!
Russ
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15. June 2008 @ 00:52 |
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Russ when you take it up to 3.6Ghz and cooling is not an issue, I will eat my... cake.
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15. June 2008 @ 00:58 |
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Come on Abuzar you can do better than that. People pull high temps even with TRUEs when the Quads break into the latter half of 3Ghz.
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15. June 2008 @ 01:07 |
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lol Fine
I will eat my PIE. Mmmmm, Mango Pie.
Seriously, I got temps like 70C within 5 mins of stress testing with a Freezer 7 Pro.
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15. June 2008 @ 01:12 |
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I bet you did - 3.6Ghz Quads put out a LOT of heat.
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15. June 2008 @ 01:35 |
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Hey everyone...
I am thinking about grabbing this 8800GT to replace a 7600GT that is acting up...or a HD3870...
PALiT NE/880TSXT302 GeForce 8800GT SONIC 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Free Tomb Raider Anniversary game included, ends 6/30 $169 ($149 after a $20 Rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261012
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15. June 2008 @ 01:42 |
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The 8800GT will do better than the 3870.
I actually used to have that EXACT same model. I paid 250 for it lol. The 1GB of RAM doesn't make a difference in performance compared to 512MB, but it's more future proof.
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15. June 2008 @ 01:58 |
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Hey Boozer,
How did you like the card...was it loud?..any artifact's in games?..
No real difference in price between this 1GB and the 512Mb versions...my biggest concern was manufacturing quality...and memory quality...was the 1GB of memory any good?..
Also I was looking at memory...whats up with all the bad reviews of the Crucial PC8500...are they using different chips or has something recently changed with there PCB's....
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15. June 2008 @ 02:49 |
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Would this be a good combo
Intel Quad Core Q9300 6000K cache 1333FSB 45nm CPU
Gigabyte GA-P35-S3G 1333FSB
4GB DDR2 667 PC5300 RAM
Up to 8.4 GB/sec using PC5300 DIMMs (with DDR2 memory chips).
Type: Double Data Rate (DDR)
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15. June 2008 @ 02:55 |
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@Rick
With out knowing the specifics...go with PC8500...over PC5300...
Lp...
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15. June 2008 @ 03:05 |
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Yeah, really go with PC6400 memory at least. The motherboard is weak, I don't think it can overclock at all, but it'll get you by.
Lp: Indeed so - the PC8500 stuff seems to be unstable entirely at its rated 1066mhz, barely seems to make 900.
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15. June 2008 @ 03:06 |
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This is what I was looking athttp://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-QUAD-CORE-Q9300-4GB-DDR2-500GB-20x-DVDRW-QAUD-PC_W0QQitemZ400000089733QQihZ027QQcategoryZ179QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#System_Components_Overview
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15. June 2008 @ 03:06 |
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abuzar1,
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Russ when you take it up to 3.6Ghz and cooling is not an issue, I will eat my... cake.
Well then you better take a look at this then. I deliberately let the room get up to 85%F (about 26-27C), so I could make the test even harder. Well lookey here!
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9761/fantestlr9.jpg
I don't think I've discovered something, I know I have!
Russ
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15. June 2008 @ 03:07 |
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To be honest, that system is built from head to toe with low grade and/or poor quality components - avoid it.
Theone: Take a look at what? ah, I see the link got added after...
That temp is fine for that CPU, but we're telling you, a quad core is a whole different ball game - your CPU may be running 350mhz above mine, but it's only using 15mV extra - and when I ran my CPU on the P5N-E board (when I was using a freezer 7 Pro) I had it at 1.422V, near enough the exact voltage you're using - a full dual core load at max fan speed would give temps of 47C, with my low speed case fans - which were in operation even then, using a sensible airflow balance, I'd expect to see those sort of temps - your results are hardly groundbreaking. Add a Quad core into the mix though, and you'll have issues - the TDP of your CPU there will probably only be 80W - below that of a Q6600 even at stock.
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15. June 2008 @ 03:19 |
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@SamQuote:
Lp: Indeed so - the PC8500 stuff seems to be unstable entirely at its rated 1066mhz, barely seems to make 900.
Its just the new stuff...Right?..I read that they have changed to single sided?..I know the chips from 6 months ago would make rated speeds with No Problems...
@Rick
I agree with Sam...it uses cheap sh!t all the way around...not a good buy by any means...
@Boozer
How was the 8800GT?..
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15. June 2008 @ 03:20 |
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Yeah it seems to be a more recent trend, but not an uncommon one though, so 'benefit of the doubt' doesn't seem very wise.
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15. June 2008 @ 03:42 |
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sammorris,
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the PC8500 stuff seems to be unstable entirely at its rated 1066mhz, barely seems to make 900.
Mort and I have had no trouble with the PC28500 Dominator's running at 1066!
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your results are hardly groundbreaking. Add a Quad core into the mix though, and you'll have issues - the TDP of your CPU there will probably only be 80W - below that of a Q6600 even at stock.
I may well have to go to a higher caliber cooler, but I think the results show very good cooling given the higher ambient temperature. Without my invention in place the difference is 6-7C at idle and low to mid 40s just doing normal work, the only difference being my new toy! LOL!!
As far as a Quad for me I'm thinking 9450 or above! It's probably going to be my last or next to last computer anyway so I'm gonna take a bigger step this time and go with the 45nm!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. June 2008 @ 03:42 |
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I was looking at 4GB of memory...if I upgrade to the 8800GT card...
This is the memory I was looking at...
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $67.99($27.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate)Free 3 Business Day Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148069
or this:
OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $125.99($100.99 after $25.00 Mail-In Rebate)3 Business Day Shipping $5.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289
I know the OCZ 8500 used Micron 9 chips...
Hey Russ,Quote:
Mort and I have had no trouble with the PC28500 Dominator's running at 1066!
We were talking about the recent rash of problems with the Crucial PC8500 memory...so...you went with Corsair...Not Crucial...as originally planned...
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15. June 2008 @ 03:51 |
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LP531,
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This is the memory I was looking at...
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
The Ballistix Tracers, the black ones are the favored memory at the moment if you want Crucial! The quality of the gold 2 x 2GB ones has gone steadily downhill for at least the last 6 months.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148070
A bit more money, but it's also much better memory!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. June 2008 @ 04:43 |
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Yeah i use those gold Crucial Ballistix, DDR2 PC2-8500 1066MHz, they run perfectly at the rated 1066MHz, though they're from late last year, i posted the batch number of mine a few pages up for Cincyrob; it seems it's the newer ones that are crap from what everyone's saying.
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