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Tutorial: How to stream bluray to ps3
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14. July 2009 @ 19:24 |
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Since this thread was started, and updated last for that matter, certain apps have come a long way... and because of this some have become obsolete.
For instance, Eac3to_and_more_Gui I think has not been updated since MeGUI has incorporated eac3to, and it uses it as a stream extractor for Blu and HDDVD processing.
tsMuxeR can now accept certain files then when it did when this thread was last updated, and eac3to can convert Lossless tracks (TrueHD/DTS Master) to this specific format (w64).
So.. what I suggest you do. Get MeGUI's latest version, I believe it's at 3.xx.xxx, let it do it's auto updates, it may need a few, you may need to manually update (from the settings, or options). Now use the stream extractor in the Tools section of MeGUI. You can now choose to demux TrueHD and DTS Master as .w64 and the conversion is as simple as that. Now all you need is the latest version of tsMuxeR.. and that can be found here, use tsMuxeR to remux the video and w64 track, which will convert to LPCM on the fly, and that's it. No need for Pcm2tsmu.
Maybe KidKappa, the initiator of this fine thread, can revisit it and update some of the processes and apps.
Thanks.
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14. July 2009 @ 19:25 |
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Double post, deleted.
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14. July 2009 @ 20:58 |
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Pcm2Tsmu13.7z is a 7-zip file, kind of like a .rar file you just need to download 7zip and extract.
I haven't updated this thread in awhile because i'm just waiting for CloneBD to be released, and plus i've had no other problems so far. That being said I would take Odin's advice because like it says in the first post he walked me through it. If i get adventurous i'll try out some new methods but i believe CloneBD is fairly close and I'll be buying it as soon as it comes.
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14. July 2009 @ 21:05 |
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Originally posted by KidKappa:
Pcm2Tsmu13.7z is a 7-zip file, kind of like a .rar file you just need to download 7zip and extract.
I haven't updated this thread in awhile because i'm just waiting for CloneBD to be released, and plus i've had no other problems so far. That being said I would take Odin's advice because like it says in the first post he walked me through it. If i get adventurous i'll try out some new methods but i believe CloneBD is fairly close and I'll be buying it as soon as it comes.
Hakuna Matata
CloneBD? Is this a Slysoft product? Or are you refering to Clown_BD... or BD rebuilder. Even though CloneBD sounds promising this is a "How to Stream" thread, and even though it's been dormant for a while, it still continues to help others.
I think it would be good if you did update the main post... you know where to find me if you need help.
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 03:52 |
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Hi Guys - I want to thank you for this terrific thread! I've been going around in circles for a couple days trying to get my PS3 to play back audio from the .m2ts stream, and now I finally understand why its not. :)
I have a .m2ts from a blu-ray and want the utmost quality in audio and video. As I understand it the PS3 will not play back DTS-MA. That was my issue - I was including only the DTS-MA in the stream.
A few questions please:
1: For a blu-ray that includes DTS-MA HD that I want to stream to the PS3 over my network - what is the HIGHEST quality settings I can use?
2: I gathered that my answer to #1 above is .wav or .w64. Is that right? I used the tool in MeGUI that was just mentioned above. That looked like a 6Mbps stream so I figure its pretty good. HOWEVER - I kept getting this error: LPCM bad frame detected resync stream. This happens at the same spot (26.4% of the way through).
I am using the UPDATE feature and have everything up to date. Any idea how to get past this?
3: If there is a higher quality option for extracting sound that will play work for my purposes please let me know.
4: I also downloaded Clown BD but I was unsure of which of the audio options to select that would a) give me the highest quality sound possible, and b) be compatible with the PS3 streaming. Any tips?
Thank you.
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 04:02 |
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Also just to clarify - regarding the LPCM bad frame detected resync stream error - this happens when I use tsMuxeR (latest version). When I use the Tools HD Streams extract to get the DTS-HD and output it to .w64 that process goes fine. Also I tried this as .wav, but still got the same error. When I did it as .ac3 it all worked fine, but of course the quality is much lower than I want for the audio.
And yes just for clarification I do have HDMI receiver with DTS HD MA and all the bells and whistles. Thanks again.
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17. July 2009 @ 08:45 |
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Two things that could be contributing to this problem.
1) Is your DTS HD a 7.1 stream? For some reason eac3to (which does the conversion) cannot properly process 7.1 PCM tracks. Not sure why.
2) the rip, or source file is bad. Try to re-rip, or aquire the source file again.
There is another option, one that does not require converting audio. Play the video in AVCHD format, all it requires is an external HDD (FAT32 drive) that has the capacity of at least the file you are working with (obviously).
The benefits of AVCHD (over m2ts), is AVCHD can play VC-1, DTSHD-MA/DTS/TrueHD without converting to AC3/LPCM. Another biggie is subtitles, this is not possible with m2ts, AVCHD is OK.
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 11:55 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Two things that could be contributing to this problem.
1) Is your DTS HD a 7.1 stream? For some reason eac3to (which does the conversion) cannot properly process 7.1 PCM tracks. Not sure why.
2) the rip, or source file is bad. Try to re-rip, or aquire the source file again.
There is another option, one that does not require converting audio. Play the video in AVCHD format, all it requires is an external HDD (FAT32 drive) that has the capacity of at least the file you are working with (obviously).
The benefits of AVCHD (over m2ts), is AVCHD can play VC-1, DTSHD-MA/DTS/TrueHD without converting to AC3/LPCM. Another biggie is subtitles, this is not possible with m2ts, AVCHD is OK.
1: Am I correct in my assumption that using the .w64 approach will yield the highest quality audio track that is streamable to the PS3 (assuming the source is DTS-HD MA)?
2: I tried again from the source and am getting the same error turning muxing as I reported previously. It is a DTS HD 5.1 track. Not sure why I am getting this error. Any other ideas here (as I want to stick with streaming and now AVCHD, but want the best possible audio quality and now not sure what else to do)?
3: I was able to use Clown DB just fine. I told it to use the DTS-HD stream and to leave it unconverted. The resulting .dts file was then remuxed back in ok. When I look at the remuxed .m2ts file it describes the audio as: codec: DTS-HD Bitrate: 1536kbps core + MLP data.Sample Rate 48Khz Channels: 5.1 (DTS Master Audio). So how is this audio quality compared to what I would have if the .w64 was working with MeGUI?
Thank you.
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17. July 2009 @ 12:24 |
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1. Yes... the .w64 (LPCM) will give you an identical audio track compared to the original DTS master audio. So this is your best option.
2. Try to extract the DTS Master track, from the ClownBD rework, use MegUI and extract the audio as w64.
If this works, remux everything back together using tsMuxeR. Select the original M2TS to use the video, se-select the DTS Master audio, and load the w64 file.
One other thing I can suggest, is make sure you use the update feature in MeGUI to ensure you have at least 3.15v of eac3to, currently it's at 3.16.
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 12:25 |
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OK I spoke too soon. :p Please disregard what I said about the output from Clown BD working. When I stream this to the PS3 I still have no audio (I assumed it would work because when I tested on my PC I had sound).
Switching gears back to using MeGui to extra the data as .w64 and then remux - as you will recall I have that problem with an error about 25% into the remux.
What is interesting though is that even though I have this error, it still left me a playable .m2ts file (25% of the movie). And when I tried it in my PS3 it worked flawlessly!
I see now what this is doing- converting the DTS HD to LPCM 6.9MBPS. That is great. This is a good solution.
So now I am even more motivated to get past this error that is causing the title to only make it 25% of the way through. :p Some questions if you please would:
1: Are there any settings in tsmuxer to tell it that if it encounters and error to just skip it and keep going? I do not know if it is just a little blip or a whole section that is bad. But all tsmuxer does is output the error over and over and over so eventually I just stop it.
2: Is there a way for me to split the m2ts into pieces and then mux them back together? This way I may be able to identify where the bad section is and avoid that piece, losing hopefully just a small portion of the title.
3: Lastly is there anything else you can think of for me to try (maybe a muxer other than tsMuxeR Gui 1.10.6)? Or maybe there is a support forum somewhere for txmuxer where the developers may have some idea how to resolve this?
Thank you for all the help.
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 12:45 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
2. Try to extract the DTS Master track, from the ClownBD rework, use MegUI and extract the audio as w64.
If this works, remux everything back together using tsMuxeR. Select the original M2TS to use the video, se-select the DTS Master audio, and load the w64 file.
One other thing I can suggest, is make sure you use the update feature in MeGUI to ensure you have at least 3.15v of eac3to, currently it's at 3.16.
Another quick update- I tried the above. Great idea but unfortunately I get the same error at the same exact spot. Yes I am using the Update feature and all components are updated. Thanks again.
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17. July 2009 @ 12:52 |
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There could be something wrong with the source file, the fact the the problem occurs in the same spot with numerous methods is a good indication of this.
If possible try to re-rip if you can, then give it another shot.
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 14:51 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
There could be something wrong with the source file, the fact the the problem occurs in the same spot with numerous methods is a good indication of this.
If possible try to re-rip if you can, then give it another shot.
OK will give it a go.
On another note- I am a bit confused about the best way to go about converting a TrueHD track. What is the best way to decode that down into the highest quality audio that will stream to the PS3?
Can I use the Tools in MeGui to extract the TrueHD stream and export it as .w64, basically just following the same approach as I was doing with the DTS HD above (except obviously using TrueHD as the source track instead of TrueHD)?
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17. July 2009 @ 15:52 |
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Originally posted by robert200:
Originally posted by odin24:
There could be something wrong with the source file, the fact the the problem occurs in the same spot with numerous methods is a good indication of this.
If possible try to re-rip if you can, then give it another shot.
OK will give it a go.
On another note- I am a bit confused about the best way to go about converting a TrueHD track. What is the best way to decode that down into the highest quality audio that will stream to the PS3?
Can I use the Tools in MeGui to extract the TrueHD stream and export it as .w64, basically just following the same approach as I was doing with the DTS HD above (except obviously using TrueHD as the source track instead of TrueHD)?
Yup, it's the exact same thing for TrueHD. Another thing is you can extract from a ripped Blu-ray/HDDVD structure, or from the M2TS/EVO file. One benefit of this is, rather than detecting streams in the M2TS it reads the MPLS file and gathers other info like; chpaters, stream language, sub languages, etc.
One other thing, in order to convert a DTS Master/TrueHD track, you need a good decoder to interpret the information true to it's original form, you should visit eac3to's page on Doom9 to gather more information.
The reference decoder for DTS Master is Arcsoft's DTS decoder, which comes with Arcsoft's Total Media Theatre, and for TrueHD, I believe the Libav decoder is used as it does the job perfect... which is bundled with FFDshow. If you don't have Arcsoft installed that's OK, Libav codec will then be used, but I think there are limitations... I cannot remember though.
BTW, in case you are wondering why I keep refering to eac3to, is because this is the app actaully doing the stream extraction for MeGUI's Stream Extractor. If you know command prompt you can use eac3to through cmd.exe rather than MeGUI... sometimes there are bugs in MeGUI's approach that do not show up while processing through command promt.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 16:47 |
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Thanks. Regarding your suggestion to possibly consider AVCHD- is there any way to have the AVCHD files on my PC, and use a media server such as Playstation Media Server (PMS) to have the PS3 access the files. Rather than to have to use an external FAT32 drive via USB on the PS3?
Some comments I came across here seem to suggest this is possible, you think? http://www.avforums.com/forums/ps3-media...al-network.html
Also if I want to try an experiment, is there any easy to take create AVCHD files that are < 4GB each? As I understand it that is a requirement for FAT32.
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17. July 2009 @ 18:56 |
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I don't think it is possible to stream a whole AVCHD structure yet... or if it will be at all for that matter.
Regarding the <4GB issue. I do this for BD rips (main movie only). tsMuxeR has a split option, and you specify by file size (4GB). It will then create 1 AVCHD structure with several 4GB chunks inside. The PS3 will play them seamlessly too, as if your were watching the actual disc.
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robert200
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17. July 2009 @ 19:09 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
I don't think it is possible to stream a whole AVCHD structure yet... or if it will be at all for that matter.
Regarding the <4GB issue. I do this for BD rips (main movie only). tsMuxeR has a split option, and you specify by file size (4GB). It will then create 1 AVCHD structure with several 4GB chunks inside. The PS3 will play them seamlessly too, as if your were watching the actual disc.
Yea that's what I was thinking too. But when I came across that thread (link I provided in last post) it sure sounded like they had it working that way. Easy enough to try- will let you know.
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robert200
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18. July 2009 @ 12:38 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
I don't think it is possible to stream a whole AVCHD structure yet... or if it will be at all for that matter.
Regarding the <4GB issue. I do this for BD rips (main movie only). tsMuxeR has a split option, and you specify by file size (4GB). It will then create 1 AVCHD structure with several 4GB chunks inside. The PS3 will play them seamlessly too, as if your were watching the actual disc.
I tried AVCHD through Playstation Media Server and all it showed was the directory structure, so that was a no go as you suspected.
I tried many things but could not get past the stream error trying to remux the LPCM w64 track at 25% through so I gave up with this title.
Now I've tried another title with hd.cfm" class="forum_link" target="_blank">DTS-HD MA. And this one two gave the same exact error during remux, except this was around the 33% mark instead of 25%.
Since the w64 is created by eac3to, I figured I would post this question in their forum discussion here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966 . I registered there but now I found out that new registrants have to wait 5 days before posting. Sigh...
If you wouldn't mind, would you be so kind as to post a question about this error in the forum so I can see the replies? Maybe just a couple of lines with a link back to my original post here about the error so we can see if anyone has some ideas?
I really like the idea of streaming my library to the PS3 because it is so much more convenient than switching discs all the time. But if it means accepting audio quality below LPCM 6.9MBPS then its not worth it to me. At this point it seems the w64 approach is the only way to get the DTS MA without sacrificing too much quality. If only I can get past this remuxing error. I'm not giving up yet! Thank you!!
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18. July 2009 @ 15:26 |
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Someone else has experienced the same issue, with v1.9.4... not sure which version you are using. Me personally, with 5.1 tracks I have not experienced the issue, I am using v1.10.0(a)
It's most likely a tsMuxeR issue, and not an eac3to issue... since this happens on more than one rip. Maybe try using different versions of tsMuxeR. You can DL previous versions in the tsMuxeR thread at Doom9, I believe you can DL immediately. Here's a link to the post where the user has the same issue... post 3202.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1271938#post1271938
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robert200
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19. July 2009 @ 02:03 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Someone else has experienced the same issue, with v1.9.4... not sure which version you are using. Me personally, with 5.1 tracks I have not experienced the issue, I am using v1.10.0(a)
It's most likely a tsMuxeR issue, and not an eac3to issue... since this happens on more than one rip. Maybe try using different versions of tsMuxeR. You can DL previous versions in the tsMuxeR thread at Doom9, I believe you can DL immediately. Here's a link to the post where the user has the same issue... post 3202.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=...1271938
Thank you. I went back and tried older versions- they either didn't have the .w64 support yet (prior to a certain version), or once they did all of them I tested had this issue.
Any thoughts on why you are not running into this issue? I wonder what can be different? Are your w64 files > 4GB? Mine is about 5.5GB.
What other muxers are out there I can try? I downloaded tsremux but couldn't try it as apparently it doesn't support import of a m2ts which is what my file type is (tho it does do .ts but I don't know how to go from .ts to .m2ts). It would be great if I could try another muxer to eliminate tsRemuX from the equation.
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19. July 2009 @ 10:34 |
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I'm not sure why you keep getting the issue. The w64 files I have worked with were larger than 4GB. I am using Vista... not sure if that is the difference?
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robert200
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19. July 2009 @ 13:09 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
I'm not sure why you keep getting the issue. The w64 files I have worked with were larger than 4GB. I am using Vista... not sure if that is the difference?
Yes funny you should mention that. I was just thinking the same thing and coming here to post that I am running on Windows 7 and wondering if that is the cause. I am going to try this under Vista in a little while. Hopefully it will work! I will post back to let you know.
Also I have a question about the quality of the w64 format. Am I correct to assume that the conversion to w64 is lossless, and that if I can get this working, playback of a title this way will be identical to if I was listening to the hd.cfm" class="forum_link" target="_blank">DTS-HD MA track?
Its ok if there are slight subtle differences due to the non highend DTS encoder being used, just as long as I'm not significantly cutting the quality or bitrate like it would if I extracted the CORE only.
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19. July 2009 @ 14:04 |
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w64 = LPCM, just different headers. DTSHD-MA and TrueHD are encoded from LPCM... or the studio master in the authoring phase at the studio labs. When converting to w64 you are basically getting the studio master.. it should be bit for bit identical to the track you are encoding from.
Also, DTSHD-MA and TrueHD are lossless codecs, extrememly efficiently compressed to be bit for bit identical to the studio master... just smaller in file size. LPCM is not considered lossless, it would be classified as uncompressed.
You should also keep in mind, not all LPCM tracks are 6.9mb/s... these are only 24 bit tracks, a 16 bit track would yield a 4.6mb/s LPCM constant bit rate.
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19. July 2009 @ 16:40 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
I'm not sure why you keep getting the issue. The w64 files I have worked with were larger than 4GB. I am using Vista... not sure if that is the difference?
I tried with Vista and got the same error. First I tried tsRemuX using the w64 that was created on Win7. Then after that didn't work I ran MeGui on Vista and extracted a new w64. Then I tried tsRemux again on Vista using the w64 also created on vista, and this too failed. All failures occur at the same exact spot.
Here's another possible difference... I am on an x64 machine (Vista x64 and Windows 7 x64). Are you on x64 or a 32 bit OS? If 32 bit OS perhaps that would explain it?
Lastly do you know of another tool besides tsMuxeR I can try to see if it'll work past this error? Thank you!
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19. July 2009 @ 16:50 |
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Update: I just tried on a 32 bit Win XP machine and get the error at the same exact spot.
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