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11. February 2010 @ 23:53 |
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This is a very serious question, so please don't get upset.
Is super Pi bias to Intel. I mean, does it favor the intels? Or do intel's simply have the number crunching capabilities to achieve nearly twice the 940 BE Phenom II?
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11. February 2010 @ 23:55 |
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im not normally biased (looks fondly at ASUS :P) but id agree to the intels just being that damned fast for number crunching.
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11. February 2010 @ 23:59 |
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And yet on the encoding times, it averages pretty close to the Phenom II. I wonder why that is. Encoding is simply a different form of number crunching LOL!
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12. February 2010 @ 00:04 |
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id assume due to instruction sets, which are largely intel based, and optomized, that AMD have to licsence form them and optomise. though compare a clock for clock lynfield (not even bloomfield/ and dont get started on gulftown) and intel will be very far ahead.
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12. February 2010 @ 00:09 |
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You're looking at an innate clock for clock advantage of the i5 vs the Phenom II of about 35-40% I'd say. Add to that that in the worse case scenarios a program may have up to a 50% lead in processing power with a particular brand, it's quite conceivable i5s could come out twice as fast per clock, let alone the fact that the i5 is clocked higher in this example.
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12. February 2010 @ 02:59 |
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Hello everyone!
I was hoping you guys (and gals?) could help me build my next computer. I've had my Dell now for about 5 years and it's definitely time for an upgrade! I'll try to describe what I want to use the computer for as best as I can. I have some specific questions that I've posted below as well. If you think you're able to decipher what I'm looking for, maybe you can ask me some follow up questions, or you could recommend me some, if not all of the parts you think I would need. Or maybe just answer one or all of my questions.. Any and all help/input is much appreciated!
It's basically going to be a multi-media computer. I want a Blu-Ray drive/burner, lots of HD space, and an HDMI port. I have a flexible budget, depending on your recommendations.
Here are my questions:
1) I wont be gaming, or video editing, or anything like that on this computer, but obviously I do want it to be able to easily handle watching/burning Blu Ray movies, so how powerful of a CPU/Video card would you recommend for that?
2) I want a BDROM drive/burner as one drive, then a DVDROM drive as the second drive. Which ones would you recommend?
3) How many Hard drives can I realistically put in the tower before it gets overkill? What dictates how many drives I have, and what are my options for having extra hard drives?
4) The aesthetics of the case are not important, this computer should be function over form. I need a case/fan system that is going to keep it cool and relatively dust free, I will dust it often though. Black case preferred.
5) For a sound card, I need one that can handle 7.1 and sound pretty good. I'm not really what you'd call an audiophile though.
6) I like the idea of having lots of ram, at least 4 gigs.. maybe more, depending on your recommendations.
7) More ports, please! I like the idea of having atleast 1 HDMI port, 1 DVI and one VGA port, if possible? Can I get 2 HDMI outs? Is there a way to get component out, or is that a stupid question? Also, I need at least 6 USB ports. Preferably, 2 in the front, 4 in the back. But I'm not stuck on this.
8) I would like this desktop computer to be able to connect to a wireless network, so I guess I'll need a card?
9) Could I get Blu Tooth connectivity for this computer?
10) USB 3.0 is pretty important to me as well, as I will eventually be hooking more Hard Drives to this computer, will I have to wait for this or is it available now?
Anyway, those are the questions I have. I know that I'm not nearly as tech savvy as some of you guys.. so if some of my questions are a bit strange I apologize. Thanks for reading, and thanks for your help!!
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12. February 2010 @ 03:03 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
im not normally biased (looks fondly at ASUS :P) but id agree to the intels just being that damned fast for number crunching.
Shaff,
I do hate to burst your euphoric bubble, but Intel has gotten caught with their fingers in the cookie jar this time! Here's the real reason AMDs are so slow!
The Enquirer
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news...e-amd-via-chips
The most interesting part is here. Amd is going to have a Renaissance!
http://www.osnews.com/story/22683/Intel_..._from_Compiler_
As of 01/03/10, Intel was ordered by the Courts to remove the "Cripple AMD Function" from AMD's compiler. The difference without the crippler turned on, is as high as a 47% performance gain. That's the real reason that Intel is so much faster! It's not nice to cheat!
I think everyone here that owns an AMD should press AMD to replace their CPUs with ones without the intentionally flawed compiler, and Intel should have to pay for each and every one of them!
I'm posting this on the AMD thread as well, so let's start that movement right here!
Russ
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12. February 2010 @ 03:11 |
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Thanks russ. Appreciate that. I've had a sneaking suspicion for while now, that something just wasn't adding up :p Biased indeed! That's despicable! I suppose it's all in good rivalry though. Not that I agree with that practice LOL!
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12. February 2010 @ 03:23 |
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i did say in my second post that intel would optomise their instruction sets for them selves didnt i? :P
its stupid by intel though not surprisning! but im sure that was the story a long while back aswell? and anyways why dont AMD use their own instruction sets instead of relying on intels :P lol but one would think, that if a program is heavily using anintel instrustion set, that an intel CPU would be better at it, seeing as intel would have built the instruction set to work best on their CPUs.
its like how itunes runs fantastically on macs yet liek a dog on windows, does that mean all windows useres should go attack apple? no, id expect a mac to work with mac catered software better.
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12. February 2010 @ 03:27 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Thanks russ. Appreciate that. I've had a sneaking suspicion for while now, that something just wasn't adding up :p Biased indeed! That's despicable! I suppose it's all in good rivalry though. Not that I agree with that practice LOL!
Oman7,
No, that is not good rivalry at all, and Intel should be made to pay for every replacement CPU that is crippled. It's also an Illegal practice. I think that everyone that owns a crippled CPU, is entitled to a new one, with the offending code removed!
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12. February 2010 @ 03:29 |
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its not the CPU that is crippled, so why would they?
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12. February 2010 @ 04:03 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i did say in my second post that intel would optomise their instruction sets for them selves didnt i? :P
its stupid by intel though not surprisning! but im sure that was the story a long while back aswell? and anyways why dont AMD use their own instruction sets instead of relying on intels :P lol but one would think, that if a program is heavily using anintel instrustion set, that an intel CPU would be better at it, seeing as intel would have built the instruction set to work best on their CPUs.
its like how itunes runs fantastically on macs yet liek a dog on windows, does that mean all windows useres should go attack apple? no, id expect a mac to work with mac catered software better.
Shaff,
While I fully understand your position, AMD did not get what they paid for! They got screwed, and damn near flushed down the tubes! As far as attacking Apple, If it was proved that Apple deliberately did something like that to their software to keep the performance down on a PC, then they should be held accountable!
You seem to act like Intel's actions are not a big deal, but they are a very big deal! It's Illegal, Unethical, and cheats AMD owners out of the better performance they would have gotten without Intel trying to stack the deck against them! I plan on sending an Inquiry to AMD to ask what they plan to do for the faithful consumers, who own these crippled CPUs, and demand a replacement as soon as they are available! I think we have that right, since AMD didn't know that their chips were being crippled by Intel! It's amazing that this was even discovered, as it was an incredibly difficult thing to detect.
I agree with omegaman7, I've wondered for years why AMDs are so slow at benchmarks yet be so fast in real world performance. I can't wait to see just how much faster the new chips will actually be! I'm pretty sure Oman7 wouldn't mind a 47% performance boost in his new Phenom II 965BE!
Russ
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12. February 2010 @ 04:14 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
its not the CPU that is crippled, so why would they?
Shaff,
I wasn't sure how that worked, so someone needs to tell us where we can get the right codes to let our AMDs run like they ought to! What's it going to take for us to get our AMDs performing better?
Russ
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12. February 2010 @ 04:54 |
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Here it all is. Unbelievable. The corsair PSU's never cease to amaze me at how solid their construction feels. It FEELS like a good PSU LOL! *Knocking on wood* The solid state disk made my jaw drop. I can barely feel it in my hand. I believe it weighs less than a deck of cards! Can't wait to play. Unfortunately beddy bye here :p
My camera is getting better at taking pictures. Or maybe I am LOL! I picked up a few tricks. Not bad for a 100$ camera several years ago.
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12. February 2010 @ 05:02 |
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Sam,
I upped the room temperature to 82F/28C. That put my idle temp at 30C and the motherboard temperature at 39C. I encoded another huge DVD, Casino Royale and the CPU ticked 40C once during the entire encode. It was 38-39C for all but that little fraction of a second where it flipped to 40 and right back to 39C. The motherboard reached 45C, and that's as warm as it got. I have to assume that the thermal tape I am sure I disturbed trying to get the cover off the VRM cooler, has reseated itself a bit even though the room temperature was higher, and the motherboard ran 44-45C all the way trough the encode.
I have some customer work to do first, and then I'll pull the coolers and clean everything up and remount it with Ceramique. From what I can see, the motherboard should run much cooler. I'll redo the Southbridge as well!
Russ
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12. February 2010 @ 08:54 |
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let me toss my super PI in the mix..lol
just a few seconds slower then sam's I5 with a little more OC than his. thats the main reason i didnt got with a I5 build right now. not worth the extra money for so little gain.
Originally posted by omegaman7:
If their performance becomes double amds best, THEN I'll have no choice but to bow to Intel :D Thats no joke.
now isnt this twice the speed of a AMD?
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Good LAWDY Robert.. don't get him started!!!! ROFL (Russ that is)
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Allow me to chuck mine in there as well :P
At my current settings as shown in sig. Been 24/7 stable for almost a year now :D
I will make the specific mention that Super PI is heavily biased towards Intel. Intel processors that are slower per-core than mine have beat me. Even though Intel is faster per-clock the program is biased.
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12. February 2010 @ 09:36 |
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Originally posted by Russ:
No, that is not good rivalry at all, and Intel should be made to pay for every replacement CPU that is crippled. It's also an Illegal practice. I think that everyone that owns a crippled CPU, is entitled to a new one, with the offending code removed!
Entitlement mentality!! I'm not sure that's a good idea here. :( That would definitely cripple either company at this point. :(
Originally posted by Russ:
I do hate to burst your euphoric bubble, but Intel has gotten caught with their fingers in the cookie jar this time! Here's the real reason AMDs are so slow!
The Enquirer
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news...e-amd-via-chips
The most interesting part is here. Amd is going to have a Renaissance!
http://www.osnews.com/story/22683/Intel_..._from_Compiler_
As of 01/03/10, Intel was ordered by the Courts to remove the "Cripple AMD Function" from AMD's compiler. The difference without the crippler turned on, is as high as a 47% performance gain. That's the real reason that Intel is so much faster! It's not nice to cheat!
I think everyone here that owns an AMD should press AMD to replace their CPUs with ones without the intentionally flawed compiler, and Intel should have to pay for each and every one of them!
AMD shouldn't have to do anything but offer some code I'm hoping. ;) What's it gonna do to their prices?? Are they gonna be able to raise them and therefore force the consumer to really debate Intel or AMD? lol. I hope it just drives the prices down a little... with both companies? Who knows?
Originally posted by Russ:
While I fully understand your position, AMD did not get what they paid for! They got screwed, and damn near flushed down the tubes! As far as attacking Apple, If it was proved that Apple deliberately did something like that to their software to keep the performance down on a PC, then they should be held accountable!
You seem to act like Intel's actions are not a big deal, but they are a very big deal! It's Illegal, Unethical, and cheats AMD owners out of the better performance they would have gotten without Intel trying to stack the deck against them! I plan on sending an Inquiry to AMD to ask what they plan to do for the faithful consumers, who own these crippled CPUs, and demand a replacement as soon as they are available! I think we have that right, since AMD didn't know that their chips were being crippled by Intel! It's amazing that this was even discovered, as it was an incredibly difficult thing to detect.
I agree with omegaman7, I've wondered for years why AMDs are so slow at benchmarks yet be so fast in real world performance. I can't wait to see just how much faster the new chips will actually be! I'm pretty sure Oman7 wouldn't mind a 47% performance boost in his new Phenom II 965BE!
Intel has had the upper hand at Benches... but who gives a CR@P? I've seen the performance of both AMD and Intel and I'm impressed with both.. if this "ISSUE" is fixed will it promote that much better "real world" performance or just increase BLOODY bench times?? I could care less how fast something tests... NOW how fast it encodes or runs programs smoothly... THAT'S THE REAL TEST!!!!
Originally posted by Russ:
I wasn't sure how that worked, so someone needs to tell us where we can get the right codes to let our AMDs run like they ought to! What's it going to take for us to get our AMDs performing better?
If anything is available or will be available I'm sure you'll be able to find it Russ. ;) I agree on this point actually... and it presses me to think about AMD with my next build in less than 5 years I hope... lol. ;)
[rant]OH.. and something to add... I H@TE Apple and all their cr@p!! The reason I don't own a Mac, iPod, or iPhone... forcing me to use or do something that doesn't work or works like cr@p doesn't make me happy... just like M$ if you ask me!!![/rant]
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12. February 2010 @ 09:42 |
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Ok... here's mine too. LOL.
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This is also based on per-core performance don't forget. SuperPi is single threaded.
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12. February 2010 @ 09:51 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
This is also based on per-core performance don't forget. SuperPi is single threaded.
Yeh... I remember.. lol. I was just messing with Robert and his NEW rig.. I'm only about a second behind his marks and at 3.6 NOT 4.0. :p
Don't get me wrong.. his computer will kick the crap out of mine but it still looks good at a few different tests. :D
btw.. was checking out your siggy... nice puter but you've gotta replace that Thermaltake case... hehehehe. :p Me likey the DFI mobo and Mushkin RAM... you is learning boy.. good stuff. :D :D :D (btw that should get someone started.. Russ or Sammy that is. :P :P :P)
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gotta love this computer room. 2 machines to play on..lol
im on the 690 rig(E8400) here is the PI test with the E8400 @3.33ghz
gonna make me do some OCing on this puppy arent ya all..lol. nope this is it for this puppy. getting reasy to instal COD4 back on it for the boys. no i dont have CODMW2 for the pc yet..unless Sam hooks me up again.. ;)
not to shabby..
im on this rig while burning on the other...lol now if i waz good i could start a burn on each system at the same time and see which gets done faster..lol
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12. February 2010 @ 10:00 |
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btw.. was checking out your siggy... nice puter but you've gotta replace that Thermaltake case... hehehehe. :p
No way man this is the old school full steel construction version. I love it and have no plans to replace it in the immediate future. Plus I've done several mods to it myself so it's custom tailored to this rig.
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Me likey the DFI mobo and Mushkin RAM... you is learning boy.. good stuff. :D :D :D
DFI was a pleasant surprise to me really. I've been using Gigabyte exclusively for a few years. But they didn't have an AM2+ 790FX board available at the time, only AM3. This LanParty 790FX board has treated me well.
Mushkin RAM I've always been partial to. Have bought several of their kits and both of my PCs are currently using Mushkin XP Series :)
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12. February 2010 @ 10:03 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Mushkin RAM I've always been partial to. Have bought several of their kits and both of my PCs are currently using Mushkin XP Series :)
yea i have the ddr2 800 mushkin in this rig now and love them. i want the 2x2gb kit for the other system but wow the price for them
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