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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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13. February 2010 @ 16:50 |
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Got er up and running. Quite the rocky start :( My SSD has a different power connection than I anticipated. Go ahead and laugh. A lot of you probably knew that it had a different connection. Well I did not :p I'm running My AAKS drive til I can get a converter for it. Windows 7 installed SUPER slow. Not sure why yet. First I tried loading XP on the new drive and was greeted with a blue screen, which I attributed to Low voltage ram. It was running at 1.5, where it wants to run at 1.6. Gonna run to town and see about a converter at the local pc shop. Hopefully they don't rape me!
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13. February 2010 @ 16:56 |
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Are you sure? SSDs are meant to have standard S-ATA power connectors like any other drive. The one I had certainly does, and the Intels look identical - I haven't heard anything about them needing power adapters, because no such adapter exists! My friend Jon bought two of them and was able to get them running out of the box. If they required 'special SSD power adapters' I would have heard about it!
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13. February 2010 @ 17:02 |
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it is a standard sata power connector.
and russ who knows how much the perfoamce increace will be? but what about all those progams not running an intel compiler? where AMD is behind on those they will still be behind.
also the inquirer is as bad as the sun for reporting journalism, i have not seen any MAJOR new sites with this news.
i think this is all BS tbh. no big tech sites have it up.
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13. February 2010 @ 17:07 |
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The Inquirer is a mediocre source when lots of other sites report a story. When none do, I agree, it's usually rumours or lies. This news I would expect to be true though, since I always knew it to be the case before the story appeared. I don't think it's false news, I think it's old news.
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13. February 2010 @ 17:12 |
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well if its old, its VERY old.
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13. February 2010 @ 17:30 |
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13. February 2010 @ 17:31 |
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yep they mucked up! lol
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13. February 2010 @ 17:32 |
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I was going to say, that's an X18-M!
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13. February 2010 @ 17:41 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I was going to say, that's an X18-M!
Pretty unreal eh. 300$ I shell out, and they screw it up LOL! I suppose I was due for a mistake. They've done me right so long. It really is only a matter of time. People make mistakes. Even the egg ;) Gotta wait til monday to even do anything about it...
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13. February 2010 @ 19:06 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
it is a standard sata power connector.
and russ who knows how much the perfoamce increace will be? but what about all those progams not running an intel compiler? where AMD is behind on those they will still be behind.
also the inquirer is as bad as the sun for reporting journalism, i have not seen any MAJOR new sites with this news.
i think this is all BS tbh. no big tech sites have it up.
Shaff,
It's been estimated that roughly 85-90% of all programs are compiled using the Intel Compiler. Lets face it, there are things the AMD's do better than the Intels, and things the Intel's do better than the AMDs! The catch is, that at stock speeds there's not a huge amount of difference either way. That's where 90% of the money is spent, on stock computers, so what will be the effect of removing the shackles Intel's compiler has put on AMD CPUs? I'm pretty sure that Intel targeted areas of performance that the AMD's were equal to or better than Intel, otherwise why bother at all in knackering the compiler!
When I challenged The Enquirer a while back, everyone jumped on me for it, so which is it? Is The Enquirer reliable or not. Based on all the reading I've done on this subject, I would say reliable!
I must confess I was puzzled by the lack of information, and how difficult it is to find out anything about the subject, but I also considered that any company that feels it was harmed financially, or persons owning AMD CPUs could sue and win monetary damages from Intel for Intel's illegal actions, so perhaps that's why everything is so hush hush! It's not a joke and it isn't BS. Not according to the information I've provided in previous posts. Intel wasn't dragged back to Court for nothing, you know! They were dragged back because Intel's solution to the problem they created does not satisfy the Courts, because it doesn't address Intel's current advantage over AMD, an unfair advantage that would continue for several years. An advantage Intel has had for 7 years already! I sure would have liked to be a fly on the wall during that Court session and the ensuing conversations! LOL!!
The biggest thing I can't understand is why all the Intel fans say things about what effect all of this will have on a comparison between Intel and AMD CPUs. Is there suddenly something wrong with demanding a level playing field? The fact is, we won't know what the results will be with everything equal. It's a lead pipe cinch that programs that don't use the Intel compiler will run the same as always, but the big mystery is how much of an effect it's going to have running programs that do use the compiler, and how much the performance improves. Intel would not have done this lightly, as it is illegal to do! Hey, they got away with it for over 7 years. The only reason the Courts allowed the settlement was because Intel was going to fix the problem. Unfortunately for Intel, the Court has it's own computer experts too!
Russ
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13. February 2010 @ 20:02 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
No, I'm afraid I disagree entirely. The Q8200 and Q8300 comparing to the X4 630 was a typical result. What this does is remove the outliers, the 630 is still not going to outperform the Q8300 by very much if at all, but it will no longer be vastly behind them in certain programs.
I don't see the state of play changing much here at all, rather that certain programs that ran terribly on AMDs may no longer do so. I know AMD fans will be hoping for this to be a 'magic bullet' to vastly increase their performance, but it won't, as there isn't extra performance there to untap. I perceive the Intel situation to have a slightly less profound impact than some, and I'd be surprised if it turns out different to that.
Sam,
Not when the guy that discovered the problem says that he got as high as a 47.4% increase in performance just by switching the CPUID from AMD to Intel. These are not overclocked figures either! I also think it funny that the Intel fans are the only ones talking about and playing down a "magic bullet", while all the AMD fans are just happy to have a level playing field coming our way! None of them have made any reference to, or hopes of any "magic bullet"! Just the fact that the AMD chips will improve in some areas without the Knackered compiler, while the Intels will stay the same, should improve AMD's standing!
As far as my comparison between the Q9450 and the 630, I used both of them, back and forth for a couple of days, as well as a Q9550. All were overclocked! The Q9450 was slightly faster than the 630, and not near as much difference in performance as when using the Q9550. The Q9550 is by far the better chip! It also costs a lot more than the $101.99 630! At stock speeds, the difference will be slight. That's 85-90% of all computer sold, and AMD does have the price advantage!
Russ
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13. February 2010 @ 20:27 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by sammorris:
I was going to say, that's an X18-M!
Pretty unreal eh. 300$ I shell out, and they screw it up LOL! I suppose I was due for a mistake. They've done me right so long. It really is only a matter of time. People make mistakes. Even the egg ;) Gotta wait til monday to even do anything about it...
Oman7,
That looks like a laptop SDD! I just saw one for the first time a couple of weeks ago. The model listed on it isn't even sold by Newegg. What does the box say? Is the model number the same as the drive? I googled the model number and got very few hits, all in Japanese! LOL
Russ
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13. February 2010 @ 20:43 |
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It looks like both the box and SSD differ in models.
The box says - SSDSA1MH080G201
And the SSD - SSDSA1M080G2GN
Wonderful. I sure hope newegg believes this crap! And that I'm not trying to pull a fast one on them LOL!
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13. February 2010 @ 20:51 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
It looks like both the box and SSD differ in models.
The box says - SSDSA1MH080G201
And the SSD - SSDSA1M080G2GN
Wonderful. I sure hope newegg believes this crap! And that I'm not trying to pull a fast one on them LOL!
Oman7,
Aren't you glad I asked? LOL!! The mistake was made by Intel, not Newegg. That drive isn't even sold here, it's sold in Japan! Somehow, it wound up in that box and got shipped to Newegg. BTW! Ask Newegg to please confirm the model number is correct before they ship you a new one, so the same thing won't happen again.
Russ
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13. February 2010 @ 20:54 |
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The thought actually occurred to me when I was posting the original images. But I disregarded it. Thinking basically I was mistaken somehow LOL! Thank you for pointing that out :)
Perhaps newegg will give me a gift certificate for future purchases eh LOL!
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13. February 2010 @ 20:59 |
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or a free ssd drive?
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13. February 2010 @ 20:59 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
The thought actually occurred to me when I was posting the original images. But I disregarded it. Thinking basically I was mistaken somehow LOL! Thank you for pointing that out :)
Perhaps newegg will give me a gift certificate for future purchases eh LOL!
Oman7,
You're welcome. I'm sure that Newegg will replace it and get it to you real fast. Just tell them you are building a new computer and can't do anything more until you get the drive for it! You might even get it overnight! Take heart though. Somewhere in Japan some guy is shaking his head trying to install "yours" in his laptop! LOL!!
Russ
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13. February 2010 @ 21:03 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Oman7,
You're welcome. I'm sure that Newegg will replace it and get it to you real fast. Just tell them you are building a new computer and can't do anything more until you get the drive for it! You might even get it overnight! Take heart though. Somewhere in Japan some guy is shaking his head trying to install "yours" in his laptop! LOL!!
Russ
I lol'd. Thanks for that LOL!
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13. February 2010 @ 21:19 |
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haha i can imagine that aswell.
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13. February 2010 @ 21:31 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
The thought actually occurred to me when I was posting the original images. But I disregarded it. Thinking basically I was mistaken somehow LOL! Thank you for pointing that out :)
Perhaps newegg will give me a gift certificate for future purchases eh LOL!
Oman7,
You're welcome. I'm sure that Newegg will replace it and get it to you real fast. Just tell them you are building a new computer and can't do anything more until you get the drive for it! You might even get it overnight! Take heart though. Somewhere in Japan some guy is shaking his head trying to install "yours" in his laptop! LOL!!
Russ
That's what I was thinking... Some poor Japanese fella is cursing up a storm... hehehehee. :p
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13. February 2010 @ 22:00 |
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13. February 2010 @ 23:00 |
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Russ: I Agree, a vast number of programs are written with Intel's compiler (Which is why they'll never all end up getting fixed to not include the anti-AMD code), but not all programs show as much of a bias towards Intel as some, in fact most don't. I don't perceive that as an example where AMD CPUs are going to get faster, but more that not every program is affected by this code as much as another.
If every single program that wasn't using Intel's compiler showed a vast lead for AMD CPUs, someone would have noticed by now.
I don't remember anyone busting you for using the Inquirer before, and I've always been sceptical of them, since the very beginning.
The 47.4% argument is for one case. Let's hear a few more examples first. I imagine the worst case scenario was picked to highlight the problem.
Why would overclocking be any different? It's clearly obvious that if the CPUs are overclocked by different amounts then that's skewing the test, they would never overclock them to skew the figures for a lawsuit, and nor would the impact of all this change if either the Intel or AMD CPUs were overclocked.
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13. February 2010 @ 23:34 |
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14. February 2010 @ 00:21 |
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14. February 2010 @ 00:31 |
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Very interesting. The AMDs aren't coming off well in games at all, but there are a couple of workstation tasks they really shine at. The differing role of hyperthreading is interesting to see too.
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