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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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14. February 2010 @ 00:33 |
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surprised how bad the athalon 2 quads do, intel duals constantly outpacing them.
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14. February 2010 @ 00:41 |
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Hehe thought needing two HD5970s to run Bad Company 2 at 1920x1200 was bad? To max Arma 2 smoothly you'll need a 14Ghz i7! Good luck with that...
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14. February 2010 @ 03:43 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Russ: I Agree, a vast number of programs are written with Intel's compiler (Which is why they'll never all end up getting fixed to not include the anti-AMD code), but not all programs show as much of a bias towards Intel as some, in fact most don't. I don't perceive that as an example where AMD CPUs are going to get faster, but more that not every program is affected by this code as much as another.
If every single program that wasn't using Intel's compiler showed a vast lead for AMD CPUs, someone would have noticed by now.
I don't remember anyone busting you for using the Inquirer before, and I've always been sceptical of them, since the very beginning.
The 47.4% argument is for one case. Let's hear a few more examples first. I imagine the worst case scenario was picked to highlight the problem.
Why would overclocking be any different? It's clearly obvious that if the CPUs are overclocked by different amounts then that's skewing the test, they would never overclock them to skew the figures for a lawsuit, and nor would the impact of all this change if either the Intel or AMD CPUs were overclocked.
Sam,
I'm assuming that it was benchmarks for the 47.4%. That's what the guy who found the problem said he was doing. Realistically, no one is expecting anywhere near that kind of performance increase. There was another person named Fogg, or something like that who sent emails to Intel about the problems the compiler was creating for AMDs. He specifically said the compiler. The Court Deposed him and took his email correspondence, between him and Intel as evidence. This was in 2007.
I understand fully that there was no overclocking in the testing. Even if you overclocked both brands to the same speed, they scale differently, so the results wouldn't mean very much. When the time comes, we'll all know how well things work or don't work, as the case may be.
The computer I enjoyed using the most was the Q9550 with the new stepping. They also have a Q9550 w/C1 stepping, but it's down waiting on a new PSU. Still, since I already have a modern AMD, I would probably go with the Phenom II 955BE, with the new C3 stepping. It's reported to run cold as ice (FOS), and $100 cheaper than the C1 Q9550! Many reports of 30C idle temps at 4.0GHz, without going broke on a CPU cooler. Some even claimed to be at 4.0GHz with the supplied stock cooler. If it's like the cooler that comes with the Phenom II 940BE, I can believe it, as that's a very nice 4 pipe cooler. Very quiet too and beautiful to look at. It's like a finely crafted work of art!
Right now, this is all theoretical discussion as no one has any idea of what the scope of any improvement will be, once the offending software is turned off. My guess is that Benchmarks should improve the most, or any program that does that sort of number crunching. I would also guess that the better Phenom IIs would benefit the most. We'll all know, when it happens!
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Russ
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14. February 2010 @ 17:24 |
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Ha ha! I don't think I mentioned it. The 550W corsair(CMPSU-550VX) has an ample length 8pin cpu connection for the HAF 932! I did not require the extension. I thought that was just lovely LOL! So far, it operates without hitch. I don't expect there to be any problems. I plan on installing GTA IV later.
You should have seen how much dust I blew out of my poor GTX 260. It almost made sick. Brought a tear to me eye ;) The CPU Arctic freezer though, wasn't dusty at all.
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14. February 2010 @ 18:01 |
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Rather in awe here. WMP 12 will play my M2TS files(BD rip), and only averages 3% cpu useage(Phenom II 965 @ 3.8Ghz). The only catch is, there's no audio LOL! So with the right audio codec, my brothers athlon 5200 might just play bd rips with ease!
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14. February 2010 @ 18:18 |
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It's being GPU rendered, your CPU isn't actually doing anything, the GTX260 is :P
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14. February 2010 @ 18:33 |
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So its employing cuda code? Thats great! :D
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14. February 2010 @ 19:01 |
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No, it's not CUDA, it's DXVA, all modern cards do it, CUDA or no CUDA. The program just has to support it.
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14. February 2010 @ 19:08 |
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Apparently I didn't notice it before, but Windows 7 employs one of Nvidia's drivers. I thought that they simply used some universal legacy driver, which is not the case. The driver appears to be 185.93. Unless everest is malfunctioning, playing the BD rip only mad the GPU increase by 1°C. VERY impressed :D
DXVA eh. Gonna have to read about that LOL!
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14. February 2010 @ 20:07 |
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Nah a universal driver couldn't successfully play games on a vast list of ATI, nvidia etc. graphics cards, Win7 contains old specific drivers licensed from the companies themselves I think.
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14. February 2010 @ 20:16 |
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As for the PSU connector I found my ZM850-HP's 8-pin will fit if it's in the case, but it's not long enough if I run the cable around the back of the motherboard and in through the top, which is sort of mandatory due to the amount of graphics card in the way :P
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14. February 2010 @ 22:51 |
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Here's a good shot of it. You can't see all the slack either. I could easily slip a baseball between the case and the cable!
LOL! yes, I saw the dust on the HDD's...Its very dusty here :(
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15. February 2010 @ 13:54 |
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A corsair 550W wouldn't require a 13amp electric cord would it? I just found it while cleaning up after the building mess. I rarely use some of the brand new parts, because I have used laying around LOL! The requirements on the box say it only requires 120V @ 8Amp. The 13amp is a fat electric cord. I guess I'm curious where the heck it came from. Cause surely the corsair doesn't need that...
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15. February 2010 @ 14:01 |
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Well think about it. 120Vx8=960W. Do you need more than that?
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15. February 2010 @ 14:07 |
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I'm fairly certain, that the 13amp cord came with it. Pretty strange eh?
Now I LOVE corsair :D
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15. February 2010 @ 16:29 |
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Hehe Corsair seem to do that. They sent me a second PCI-e lead free of charge + $5 shipping. Always done right by me :)
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15. February 2010 @ 17:45 |
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Yeah well they include high current plugs just as a safeguard, and also as they're generic. A 1KW PSU would need more than an 8A fused cable, so they just provide the highest regardless.
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16. February 2010 @ 02:17 |
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So what do you think sam. Think my second Velociraptor will last more than a year LOL! I bought it on 03/26/09. It just barely didn't make one year. Should I blame myself? I never let my HDD's idle. At least up until recently :p The failed Velociraptor made me question that policy LOL! I now let all of my HDD's idle. Sure is a shame I can't manually tell them to idle. It's somewhat irritating when a windows process needs to query the drive, in which it takes 3-5 seconds to spin up.
I'm actually questioning my need for the SSD now. Newegg ok'd the refund, and the drive is on its way back to them. I'm now thinking I'll use the replacement Velociraptor, and wait to see how this Sata 6Gb/s Crucial SSD fairs. Cause if they can cause prices to be driven down, I'm all for that LOL! I remember reading that Crucial was able to produce them cheaper than the intel drives. If intel wants to stay afloat, then they're gonna need to do some competitive pricing ;)
Here's what my sensors are looking like. I thought it was kind of strange that the CPU sensor was hotter than the cores. Usually the cores are hotter. But for the most part, during idle the temperatures of the cores and cpu are usually the same. The Motherboard sensor sure did like it when I put the cover back on LOL! I remember the GPU running cooler when I first got it. But I think I also allowed for more Rpms.
Any ideas what the Aux temp is? Is it another temperature on the GPU? Perhaps ambient?
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16. February 2010 @ 05:22 |
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Oman7,
Here's my Everest. Two of the temperatures are switched as is one of the voltages. I marked them as they really are.
Just a wild guess, but are you running your memory at 1.60v? I ask because 1.60v shows in the +2.5 space, and on mine, that's the memory voltage. I have already confirmed that by changing the memory voltage and checking to see the change shows in the +2.5v space. I can't download your motherboard manual, so I'm going to ask you to look in the PC Health Status, and check the CPU Smart Fan Control and be sure it's Enabled. Then go to the CPU Smart Fan Mode and be sure PWM is selected! Also, for testing purposes, Disable the System Smart fan control. Then go to the advanced BIOS Features and be sure that AMD K8 Cool&Quiet Control is Disabled. Your CPU Fan is running way too slow for those kind of temps! Mine did the same thing, and I found the problem was caused by the System Smart fan Control being enabled and the CPU Smart Fan control being Disabled.
Please note that my CPU temp is two degrees higher than the Cores, same as yours! If you think about it a bit you will see why. First, there are 5 different sensors involved. One for each core, and a separate one for the CPU. The CPU sensor is furthest from the cores, and closer to the heat shield on the CPU. If their positions were reversed, you would know that the cooler wasn't doing it's job. If all else fails, use a 3 prong adapter and run the Cooler fan off of a Molex, and see if the Cores and CPU temps go down. It should be running at about 1600 to 1700 rpm and those temps! If the temps go down then, shut down and put the Cooler fan back on the 4 prong CPU cooler plug, and reboot! Install easyTune from the MB CD, and open the Smart section and go down to the fan controls. Try my settings first as a start point. Set the CPU temp (Blue) to 55. It may read 55/131 or somewhere around there, Then adjust the Fan Speed to 33. Click set. If it raises the fan speed, and lowers the temps, then it's good to go. You'll have to play around with it a bit to see what works best for your rig, but it does work very well. The EasyTune program should start when you boot the computer, and maintain your settings. OH! Be sure you close the EasyTune window with the -, not the X. otherwise it turns off the program!
Good Luck,
Russ
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16. February 2010 @ 11:23 |
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I would think so, I don't know of anyone else who's had problems with Velociraptors. As it happens, forcing drives to spin down often will shorten their lifetime more than if they remain spinning whenever your PC is on (assuming they are not left on for weeks on end).
As for competitive pricing, Intel currently make the cheapest SSDs, and also the best. It's going to take the other drives to become very cheap before I change my mind on which I'll be buying.
Aux temp could well be the Southbridge, which a lot of boards measure.
As for the 2.5V, that's not a mistake in Everest - that is the memory voltage for everyone I believe. Mine certainly is.
For the record, you can't run a 4-pin PWM fan into an adapter for a molex as such adapters are only designed for 3-pin voltage controlled fans. You need to get an open-end connector without the latch on it to do this.
I don't use EasyTune, as you have to click for every % you want the fan speed raised, you can't scroll or hold the button down, it's a very poorly designed program.
My everest:
GPU temperatures are high as the side fans are at off (upper pair) and around 4V (lower pair) for low noise. If both pairs are switched off, the graphics fans speed up a little to compensate, so the noise level rises. As you can see, one of the cards has already increased slightly.
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16. February 2010 @ 12:44 |
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My memory runs at 1.6V, so yes.
My room temperature is warmer than average I believe. 75-77°F. Russ has some really nice temps. I think a lot of my cpu temp has to do with too much thermal compound. Its far from paper thin. Probably about 250% what you see a heatsink and fan come with.
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Hmmm, even at 77°F, I should see 30-32...
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16. February 2010 @ 16:27 |
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I would think so, I don't know of anyone else who's had problems with Velociraptors. As it happens, forcing drives to spin down often will shorten their lifetime more than if they remain spinning whenever your PC is on (assuming they are not left on for weeks on end).
Also Omeg mentioned about the idling, now here are somethings I am totally lost on, I've never heard this before, can you guys explain this to me please.
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16. February 2010 @ 16:33 |
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You can set the duration of a period of inactivity after which a hard disk will spin down the rotating platters and park the drive heads, causing no movement within the drive until it is next required to be used, saving energy. This will reduce wear on the spindle of the drive, but is also rather like turning a light bulb on and off whenever you leave the room. If you set the duration such that after even the slightest pause in activity, the drive is constantly spinning up and powering down, which causes more wear over time than normal.
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16. February 2010 @ 16:40 |
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I'm not sure about XP(i've learned more about windows 7) but windows 7 allows for default idling after install. I think it was either 15 or 20minutes. Since i've found that windows 7 is extremely similar to xp, just reorganized, it would not surprise me if the default power options are exactly the same(saves time during the programming process). Plus why ruin a good thing.
The idea of a HDD running at 10,000 rpms 24/7 seems like torture. But Western digital is the shiznit! LOL! Perhaps I simply did get a drive that had a slight factory defect, which down the road caused what happened to it. Which is why I want the option for MANUALLY telling individual drives to idle. The OS drive for instance, should never idle when I'm using the computer. My storage drives should idle, until I request spinup. But if you think its healthier to just allow them to spin all the time, rather than start, stop, start, stop...then maybe I should just let them. I just hate the idea that my terabyte drives could die...
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16. February 2010 @ 16:42 |
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The idling hard disk, amazingly enough, has been there since at least Windows 98, where the default was an hour.
The fact that a lot of Raptors came with longer warranties than 7200rpm drives, and 15k drives sometimes longer still, suggests that high spindle speed really isn't that disastrous...
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