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24. March 2010 @ 17:55 |
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I've not seen that particular SMART software before, what's it called ?
edit- ah ok, it's speedfan software, i don't use it, i have another software that i haven;t got around to installing as the Quad is freezing and booting intermittently (i think it's hardware, not software as it even happens with linux live cd's/linux bootable usb sticks)
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24. March 2010 @ 17:56 |
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7200.10 drives do that in Speedfan, mine looks exactly the same. I wouldn't worry about it, the error rates don't seem to be read properly by SpeedFan. Power on hours is easily possible, the drive only need be powered on 12 hours a day for 2 and a bit years to achieve 9700 hours. Some of my drives have ratings that high, if not higher.
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24. March 2010 @ 18:13 |
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Well, I've found my mystery re-boot problem. The Sata cable to the AD-7220s. I've been trying to isolate the problem, for a while now. Turns out that the Sata cable is defective. There's plastic flashing inside the female "L" of the end that goes into the drive. The plug won't quite go in all the way, so the lock doesn't catch. I installed a new Sata Data cable for the AD-7220s, and everything works fine again. It will do multiple burns again. I'm all for a return to the IDE interface! I've replaced more Sata cables in the last few years, than I've replaced IDE cables in over 20 years of repairing computers. Unlike Sata, I've never had a disk partition on another drive format with IDE when installing Windows, like I've had a couple of times with Sata. I never once had to remove any drives to install a new OS. Lets face it, the Sata connections are Piss Poor, and work half-assed! Why can't they design a Sata plug that isn't so damn fragile!
Here's a little helpful hint. When replacing a Sata Data cable, use some spray contact cleaner and put the plug in and out a couple of times. I'm seeing carbon traces on the connections on the drive, caused by a high resistance connection. The carbon traces are caused by arcing at the connection. This is what causes drives to disappear and re-appear from time to time in Windows.
S-ATA Sucks,
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24. March 2010 @ 18:37 |
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I like everything about S-ATA except the cable connector design, it surely wouldn't be hard to keep the same cable size with a connector that works!
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24. March 2010 @ 18:40 |
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Correction, Sata 3.0 Sucks LOL! At least at present :p I'm afraid as a whole, I haven't had many troubles with Sata. Hopefully I never do. I think I understand where you're coming from though russ ;)
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24. March 2010 @ 19:01 |
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Definitely pleased how my secondary is running now. Its noticeably cooler in my room, and its hotter outside now as well. Now I know it was worth it :D
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24. March 2010 @ 19:35 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I like everything about S-ATA except the cable connector design, it surely wouldn't be hard to keep the same cable size with a connector that works!
Sam,
The cables are a given, considering the flimsy connections. My biggest issue with them is having to disconnect all other Sata HDDs, so you don't accidentally format a partition on another drive at the same time. I've actually done that twice! both times it cost me about 2/3 of what was on the partition. I lost over $5000 worth of work the last time! Can you blame me for being Pissed? BTW, it only happens when formatting the Boot drive, something I do whenever I install a new OS! The whole point of my rant is that these problems have existed since the inception of Sata. Doesn't anyone besides me feel that it's damn well time that they either make the interface work properly or scrap the whole damn thing! The real question is, is the problem the cables, or is it the drives themselves. Also, has anyone else noticed that 99% of the time, cable problems occur with ODDs, not HDDs! Usually if it's an HDD, it just doesn't work or show in Windows, without all this hit or miss crap we get with ODDs! They need to do something to make the connection stronger. With all the complaints about Sata problems and bad data cables, you would think they would do something about it. It seems the best way is like most of the pre-builts do it. One Sata HDD and 1 IDE ODD! They never seem to have any problems doing it that way!
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24. March 2010 @ 20:05 |
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That issue has nothing to do with S-ATA, as the drive names coming up wrong in the windows formatter happens with IDE as well. I rarely have cable issues with ODDs, probably because I rarely use ODDs. It's almost always HDDs for me!
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24. March 2010 @ 20:26 |
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i normally have 3 partions on my OS drive and i have formatted the OS partition maybe 10-20 times over the last 4-5 years with no problem, i like to reinstall my OS's every few months.
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25. March 2010 @ 01:41 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i normally have 3 partions on my OS drive and i have formatted the OS partition maybe 10-20 times over the last 4-5 years with no problem, i like to reinstall my OS's every few months.
Shaff,
It doesn't format any other partition on the same hard drive when you format the boot partition. With mine, it would format the second partition on my second physical hard drive, as well as the Boot partition. The loss of data comes from the different size partitions. If you have an 80GB partition for the boot drive, it will try to format a 250GB as an 80GB partition. That's why you lose so much data! When chkdsk tries to recover it, it only about 30-35% successful! Me? I disconnect every physical Hsrd Drive, and then install the OS. Once that's finished and the drivers installed, I hook up my other physical HDDs. In reality, you shouldn't ever have to remove a drive, just to install an OS on another drive! I'm far from alone in having it happen to me. There are pages about the problem on the internet!
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25. March 2010 @ 01:53 |
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LOL! Yah, I probably won't install OS's with other HDD's connected anymore. I've found that regardless of my installing it on a particular drive, it uses at least one other drive for tiny bits of information. Don't know why it would do that. As an OS has no need for multiple drives. At one time, I disconnected one of my storage drives, and the MBR was affected. Totally unacceptable. Windows 7/vista/XP should have no need to use the storage drives in that fashion! I'm quite comfortable installing OS's with other drives installed. I'm careful in a way you've never read about LOL!
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25. March 2010 @ 02:02 |
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ahh my bad russ. Understood. Never really had more than 1 drive connected when i do reinstall an os. Wonder why sata does that?
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25. March 2010 @ 02:07 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
LOL! Yah, I probably won't install OS's with other HDD's connected anymore. I've found that regardless of my installing it on a particular drive, it uses at least one other drive for tiny bits of information. Don't know why it would do that. As an OS has no need for multiple drives. At one time, I disconnected one of my storage drives, and the MBR was affected. Totally unacceptable. Windows 7/vista/XP should have no need to use the storage drives in that fashion! I'm quite comfortable installing OS's with other drives installed. I'm careful in a way you've never read about LOL!
Hey! Big brother can't keep an eye on you all the time, otherwise! ROFLMAO!!
BTW! I'm really liking this AVG Internet Security AV! Nothing slows down, and it catches everything. Makes boot up a little slower, but other than that, you only know it's there when it flags something.
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25. March 2010 @ 02:21 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That issue has nothing to do with S-ATA, as the drive names coming up wrong in the windows formatter happens with IDE as well. I rarely have cable issues with ODDs, probably because I rarely use ODDs. It's almost always HDDs for me!
Sam,
All I can say is in more than 16 years of using IDE Drives, it never happened once. It never happened with SCSI either, or a mixed combination of SCSI and IDE! The only IDE cables I ever had problems with were the round ones. They just don't seem to last! I've had to change a number of the flat IDE cables because an ATA-133 or an ATA-100 drive wouln't work properly using a 40 wire cable.
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25. March 2010 @ 06:31 |
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7200.10 drives do that in Speedfan, mine looks exactly the same. I wouldn't worry about it, the error rates don't seem to be read properly by SpeedFan. Power on hours is easily possible, the drive only need be powered on 12 hours a day for 2 and a bit years to achieve 9700 hours. Some of my drives have ratings that high, if not higher.
Ok sweet I feel much better :P
Seems to be working fine to me. Fair bit of seek noise but not overwhelming like my older 250GB. Gonna install an OS on it and see how well it goes after a week or two.
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It seems the best way is like most of the pre-builts do it. One Sata HDD and 1 IDE ODD! They never seem to have any problems doing it that way!
Haha that's exactly what I do. One single IDE DVD-RW per machine with an XFX brand black round cable. Got 3 of them from a burnt 680i board and they work awesome. I'm not too worried about the speed or responsiveness of my ODD. As long as it works the precious few times I actually need it, I'm gonna stay IDE :P
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25. March 2010 @ 07:51 |
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I have never had that issue at all, but I always make sure to unplug other drives when I'm installing an OS just to make sure I install to the right one!
Never had any issues with my S-ATA DVDRW as of yet, not that it's used that often :P
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25. March 2010 @ 11:00 |
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i was just talking with a gigabyte tech about useing the G-Sata ports for your OS. he said the G-sata ports are slower than the intel controller,
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You should put your OS drive on the Intel ports, SATAII_0 or SATAII_0+1 if you are running RAID. Then put your DVD drive on the SATAII_5 port or on the GSATA ports, they are fine to use, just not as fast as the Intel controller is
Since swaping back to the intel ports i can tell a difference in how quick the OS loads now. havent really tried anything else with it yet. i did have to put my AD7200S on the GSATA port. so we will see how that effects burning and such.
i did them SMART test with speedfan on my 4 drives this is what i got. i take it these are acceptable??
this has my main OS on it(xp) that i use daily
this has W7 on it. havent used it much lately.
these 2 are my backup drives(storage)
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25. March 2010 @ 11:40 |
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All looks good, your WD5000AACS has the load cycle count bug that most WD Green drives suffer from, but it's well within tolerance at the moment.
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25. March 2010 @ 12:49 |
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Originally posted by Robert the red:
this has W7 on it. havent used it much lately.
LOL! Why not? I've had less trouble on 7. I had XP and 7 running side by side for a time. Xp encountered bugs first...
I'm not an M$ fanboy, I'm simply impressed with how windows 7 behaves. And most importantly, GAMING! Gaming is so much better on 7, that it's unreal LOL! Surely it isn't because a software incompatibility? I've not encountered one...
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25. March 2010 @ 13:16 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by Robert the red:
this has W7 on it. havent used it much lately.
LOL! Why not? I've had less trouble on 7. I had XP and 7 running side by side for a time. Xp encountered bugs first...
I'm not an M$ fanboy, I'm simply impressed with how windows 7 behaves. And most importantly, GAMING! Gaming is so much better on 7, that it's unreal LOL! Surely it isn't because a software incompatibility? I've not encountered one...
you hit the nail on the head. i cant see tossing out a couple of printers because W7 wont recognize them. plus my sons mp3 isnt compatible with it either.
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25. March 2010 @ 13:26 |
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Sorry to hear that. I would die if I had to revert back to XP. My epson R260 was somewhat challenging to get running at the BETA release of 7. But I poked and poked around, and found a way to get it running :) Vista drivers work, in a pinch. Perhaps not always though...
I can't win with the Sata 3.0 ports. Since they're in use, I still encounter slight bugs. I had a bug yesterday for instance. Was trying to burn a dvd. Clicked burn, then started a Usb transfer almost exactly simultaneously, and imgburn got stuck with writing leadin. Though it never did the leadin. THANKFULLY LOL! Saved me a disc. I believe the problem was because a 3.0 sata port was in the middle of a process, and didn't want to pause for the undivided attention that imgburn requires for the first 20 seconds of a burn. Though I must admit, I haven't had to worry about the initial burn for quite some time...
Remedy? Buying a Sata 2.0 card, and being done with 3.0 until they can get the bugs worked out. Probably at least a year. Which is fine, I had a feeling something like this could happen. Rarely anything works perfectly in its infancy ;)
I'm VERY open to suggestions on which card to buy. It needs to have AT LEAST 4 2.0 ports :D
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25. March 2010 @ 13:40 |
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I bought some of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132008
(Though Lycom branded instead of Rosewill)
Unfortunately, you can only buy 2-port cards at reasonable cost. With extra ports, the cost rises exponentially unless you're buying a RAID card. Two of these 2-port cards came to £35. Just one 4-port card would have been £70. 8-ports are only available in RAID form, which is at least £220!
As long as you have two PCIe 1x slots to spare, these things seem pretty good.
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25. March 2010 @ 13:42 |
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what board is it that you have taht has the sata 3.0 ports. i thought you was talking about the GSATA ports at first. thats why i took my OS off of the gsata ports.
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25. March 2010 @ 13:44 |
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Nah, newer Core i5 and AMD boards have S-ATA 3 ports, usually marked in white. The MA790XTA-UD4 is one such example.
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25. March 2010 @ 13:50 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Nah, newer Core i5 and AMD boards have S-ATA 3 ports, usually marked in white. The MA790XTA-UD4 is one such example.
Sam must have looked at my sig. That's what I own. Good board, unfortunate about the current 3.0 predicament though.
Thanks sam. 2 cards with 2 ports each sounds like a better idea. Though I'll have to eliminate my ethernet card. Currently not using it though, so no biggie.
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