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1. November 2008 @ 08:22 |
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So from that bench it looks like a 30-40% boost over the QX9650, i.e. about equal to a 4Ghz Q9650 at stock. Not bad, but the fact that it only clocked to 3.7Ghz is a little concerning. The i7 965 is going to be a thousand dollars, the Q9650 is barely half that, and when overclocked by the looks of things the CPUs will only be 20% apart... That's not worth the cost of the new architecture for IMO.
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1. November 2008 @ 09:22 |
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So it's good (better than current), but not worth the price??
(+[_]%) 1: 2.60 > 2.80 > 2.81 >3.03 > 1.50 > 3.52M33 > 3.52M33-4 > 3.90M33 > 3.90M33-3 > 4.01M33 > 4.01M33-2 > 5.00M33 > 5.00M33-3
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1. November 2008 @ 09:23 |
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Correct.
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1. November 2008 @ 09:26 |
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Thanks for clearing that up
(+[_]%) 1: 2.60 > 2.80 > 2.81 >3.03 > 1.50 > 3.52M33 > 3.52M33-4 > 3.90M33 > 3.90M33-3 > 4.01M33 > 4.01M33-2 > 5.00M33 > 5.00M33-3
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1. November 2008 @ 12:55 |
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It looks like my 3.4GHz Quad is close to the speed of those processors stock. I know it's fast enough for 2 HD4870s in Crossfire. Core i7 looks impressive but is it necessary yet? My Quad flies on the newest games and benchmarks.
That plus Core i7 looks more like it is for servers than gaming rigs. Do you need all the newest tech to use it? If my X38 board can't handle it, I don't even care about it. It's too expensive for me anyway then.
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1. November 2008 @ 13:15 |
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It needs a $300 X58 board with DDR3, which is exactly why I don't give a damn about it.
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1. November 2008 @ 16:29 |
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My point exactly. DDR3 isn't all that great and my X38 board is still well capable and quite high end. i7 is a speed boost I don't even need. I'm not interested one bit.
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1. November 2008 @ 16:38 |
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I don't understand this. When Core 2 came out it was expensive as well. People pay 300 dollars for motherboards all the time. Who says cheaper ones wont come out?
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1. November 2008 @ 17:13 |
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Don't worry people will come 'round eventually ;)
It's just that Core 2 is good enough ATM and people don't want to spend lots of money just to have the latest gear.
I see their logic as well
(+[_]%) 1: 2.60 > 2.80 > 2.81 >3.03 > 1.50 > 3.52M33 > 3.52M33-4 > 3.90M33 > 3.90M33-3 > 4.01M33 > 4.01M33-2 > 5.00M33 > 5.00M33-3
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1. November 2008 @ 17:14 |
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The AMDX2s were "good enough" as well.
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1. November 2008 @ 18:54 |
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Yeah, but with "super titles" like Crysis, Far Cry 2, Call of Duty 4. All of them benefit greatly from Core 2 Duo architecture. Remember I had an OC'd X2 4400+ at 2.6GHz with an X1800XT 512MB for like 2 years. It was a sweet system and still would be had I kept it.
But i7 wasn't needed yet. My Q6600 is still perfect for my video cards, which are some of the fastest ever made. And it's overkill for every game ever made, save Crysis which is a poorly coded system hog. Tell me why I need i7. Athlon 64 and Pentium 4 were competitive for a long time. And Core 2 Duo's been out for what, 2 years now? It's still fast and new.
Granted, Athlon 64 X2 systems are still formidable. I wanted to try a 6400+ with 2 8800GTs before I sold my SLI board. That would be a sufficiently fast system for my resolution. I don't hate A64s. I just moved on. My parents are perfectly happy with their 2.4GHz X2 though. And they play some games on it too. It's still well capable at games.
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1. November 2008 @ 19:03 |
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Difference is, when Core 2s came out you didn't need to spend $1000 to get a CPU that was better than what we already had. Only $400 would get that job done easy, the E6600 beat all the X2s before it hands down. With i7 you need the ludicrously expensive 965 for it to be worthwhile.
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15. November 2008 @ 23:29 |
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15. November 2008 @ 23:47 |
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Decent enough I suppose. It's not a GREAT deal.
DEF. not Ultimate computer material ;)
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16. November 2008 @ 12:49 |
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Okey Dokey, yeah I knew it was not a hot rod, but was wondering if it was a good enough middle of the road type unit.
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16. November 2008 @ 14:24 |
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For the price, it's a good deal. It'll play most games at maxed settings at a decent resolution. The 5400+ BE might hold you back in newer games. Though, AFAIK, the AMD X2s are still "good enough" for gaming with up to an 8800GT and will be decent for a while still.
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16. November 2008 @ 14:53 |
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Thanks
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17. November 2008 @ 11:26 |
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Ugh, nforce 7.... No thanks! XD
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17. November 2008 @ 16:14 |
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Yeah, that's one thing I'd be wary of. But the nForce 7s have proven to be a bit more stable and reliable than the nForce 6 series. Remember that they've made improvements. The nForce 4 and 5s were actually good. I should know, I've owned both. So the nForce 7 can't be the worst chipset you can get.
Also something to be careful of is that Ultra PSU. Most of the Ultras I've seen have failing 12v rails among other things.
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17. November 2008 @ 17:11 |
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Thanks guys, actually when the time comes to do a build, I was hoping to build one this past summer but things did'nt work out, but it wont be a hot rod but some where in between or better maybe so I'm kinda looking at options, and already I have learned to stay away from this one cause two of it's options are already in question, the ultra and nforce 7.
When I finally do get a chance for a build I do want do want it without a bad review from anybody which I know might be difficult, I know everybody has an opinion and it can set off a frenzy lol, but I have plenty of time.
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17. November 2008 @ 17:47 |
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the 790i ultra is the the only good suriving intel nvidia chipset.
mmm who has seen the benches. so far, SLI is scaleing much better than CF on the X58 baords.
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17. November 2008 @ 18:14 |
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I'm not even remotely interested in X58 at this point. My X38 is still a fairly new high end chipset capable of monster overclocks and excellent x16 Crossfire support with the latest PCI Express 2.0 cards. X48 was more of just an upgrade to overclocking and power management, and X58 seems more like a high end server-grade chipset. DDR3 is way too expensive and DDR2 isn't really that old yet. Especially seeing how long DDR1 went as the gold standard. DDR3 doesn't even give a noticable performance improvement.
And SLI scaling is better because almost no games actually SUPPORT Quad Crossfire. Most games these days are TWIMTBP titles and thus offer better support for Nvidia's multi-card solutions. Considering also that Core i7/X58 is really only useful for GTX280 SLI or similar. Which, IMO, is absolute overkill even in high res with maxed AA and AF. My Q6600 is enough for 2 HD4870s in Crossfire, and that's still overkill for everything but Crysis. But, apparently, a 3.4GHz Quad bottlenecks 2 GTX280s badly. Overpriced, overkill, over and done.
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17. November 2008 @ 18:28 |
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justifing fanboyism....
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17. November 2008 @ 19:38 |
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The 780i was diabolical. The 790i was better, but still uses as much power as two P35 boards at once and had instability and incompatibility issues on occasions. nforce chipsets are just bad. The nforce 6 was agreeably worse though.
re SLI/CF on X58, at this stage it's too early to call, as i7 is such a rip off that not even a new builder should really consider it unless money really is no object. Considering Dual versus Quad graphics, running the highest resolution there is with Anti-Aliasing applied, not many games won't run properly like that. Supreme Commander Forged Alliance runs sufficiently for the most part, that just leaves Crysis and Crysis Warhead. Neither of those have proper Triple-SLI scaling either, and on top of that, require 2GB per GPU of memory to run maxed out with AA. It's worth noting that the benchmarks that were run at 2560x1600 all Very High being noted as playable on triple GTX280s did not include Anti-Aliasing
Without AA, 2560x1600 all High at least is very playable on a 4870X2 for the original Crysis. Maybe not warhead, but with a CPU ceiling of 21fps, who cares?
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17. November 2008 @ 20:40 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Yeah, but with "super titles" like Crysis, Far Cry 2, Call of Duty 4. All of them benefit greatly from Core 2 Duo architecture. Remember I had an OC'd X2 4400+ at 2.6GHz with an X1800XT 512MB for like 2 years. It was a sweet system and still would be had I kept it.
My girlfriends Dell is running a 4400+ and I'm thinking of OC'ing it if the mobo allows. How far did you get yours to and what cooling were you running on it?
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