|
|
|
The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
|
|
|
Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
19. April 2010 @ 08:39 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Seven hundred watts?
Sam,
I bought it from Oman7. I couldn't pass on it for the price, as it's a much higher rated PSU than the Cooler Master, with more bells and whistles, and it won't ever be very stressed. :0) Why? Is it a bad idea?
Best Regards,
Russ
You B@$T@RD!!! It would be mine if you ever slept!! ROFLMAO!!!! Good luck with it and I hope you get it together soon. :) I'm still waiting on putting mine together when I have a little more time. :( Been busy with family and kiddy sports lately!!! :( :( Guess that's a good thing tho... family and all. :D :D
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
19. April 2010 @ 08:45 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by sammorris:
If second hand, makes a little more sense, but I don't see why your existing PSU would be insufficient. It would only be silly if you bought it new.
Sam,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002
I figured at 80% efficiency, it would be better than my Cooler Master. The only thing I noticed in looking over the design is a lack of surge protection on the mains, something I will easily do something about in short order. I was surprised it lacked such a simple thing like that! Good buy though!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
 |
AfterDawn Addict
|
19. April 2010 @ 09:13 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
(greensman)You B@$T@RD!!! It would be mine if you ever slept!! ROFLMAO!!!! Good luck with it and I hope you get it together soon. :) I'm still waiting on putting mine together when I have a little more time. :( Been busy with family and kiddy sports lately!!! :( :( Guess that's a good thing tho... family and all. :D :D
GM,
Contrary to popular belief, I am not a vampire! LOL!! The man said PM him, so I did. He gave me a price that was less than my present 500w Cooler Master cost, and I said yes! He did PM me today and double checked to see if I still wanted it, mentioning that you were interested in it too, so he did have you in mind. It's overkill in many ways for me, but it has all the goodies and won't be very stressed, so it should run cool and quiet as well! Can't wait to put the 955BE/C3 in mine, and have some fun!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 09:19 |
Link to this message
|
To be honest, I would probably rate your old CM unit better than that OCZ. OCZ have made some good units but the GameXStream is not one of them. As you say, there is no surge protection, poor on a PSU with as high an MSRP as that, the quality of the electronics is average at best, they do not meet the wattage rating on the label, let alone exceed it, and most of them do not have fan controllers, the fan always runs at full speed, which will likely wind you up!
|
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 12:41 |
Link to this message
|
I never stressed that unit. In fact, it ran cooler than the 550W corsair. It never even felt warm to the touch. And my Hard drives never acted like they were starving for power! The 550W Corsair increased Cpu temp by 2C, being right next to the Cpu. The PSU radiates more heat than the OCZ. I think the OCZ was also quieter :p But at least with the 550W, there is less cable to manage.
As long as the PSU is not taxed beyond a sensible threshold, it should run just fine for quite some time :)
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! |
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 12:43 |
Link to this message
|
The OCZ PSUs run cool at low load because the fan speed is usually forced to a high level. Also, most modern PSUs send some of their heat into the case. Not a practice I agree with, but it will explain an increase in CPU temperature (in addition to quieter PSUs with slower fans not exhausting as much case air).
|
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 13:02 |
Link to this message
|
Forced to high level eh? Well...if thats true, its fan is quite nice. Because it wasn't very audible. The cpu fan is what I generally hear at all times. As well as the xigmatek 140mm exhaust fan. :p
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! |
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 13:04 |
Link to this message
|
|
I would have thought the 1000rpm Xigmatek 140mm would be pretty quiet, but if you can hear it over the 1900rpm in the Tuniq then obviously not :S
(For reference, the typical maximum speed of PSU fans is 1800rpm or less for a 120mm fan. I think the OCZ's speed was 1500 or below, which meant under heavy stress it got quite hot)
|
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 13:20 |
Link to this message
|
Pretty sure the OCZ hovered around 1200rpms. I didn't tax it much. Especially in the secondary. The Tuniq fan is resting at a comfortable 1500Rpms. Somewhat audible. I used to allow it to run at ~1700. I have found that 1500 is fine for day to day. The only High load that the 965 has experienced is Prime 95. I don't do BD encodes on the primary. At least not yet ;) I may eventually use Megui, or nero 10. Fact of the matter is, I could probably go even lower Rpms, and be quieter, and still be comfortable at 42-44C idle. And when I play games, simply reach in the back, and crank the Rpms back up :D
Its not that I hear the xigmatek, I here the air it moves LOL! The sucker moves an insane amount of air :D
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! |
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 13:21 |
Link to this message
|
|
Ah yes, the back vent of the HAF isn't very smooth, you do hear a fair amount of turbulence.
|
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 13:41 |
Link to this message
|
|
The xigmatek is mounted in the TOP of my secondaries case. It exhausts the entire case. Quite nicely too. A very needed addition to that case. Though its rather irritating that I have to remove it, when replacing the PSU :p If I'm right, I should never have to replace it again :D
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! |
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 16:34 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by creaky:
Try a linux live cd instead of yet another Windows install. Just boot up a linux live cd, it'll autodetect your internet settings, and just surf for half hour or so, if nothing else it might pinpoint Windows as the culprit (or more likely something installed in Windows).
Sorry creaky, I wasn't ignoring you. Wasn't sure how to respond til now. Basically, I have bad luck with linux. I will..."Man up" one day though LOL! And I have had SOME success with it. Ubuntu anyway. Puppy has been quite the prick though. I'm thinking the only way to find the problem is with windows. For I believe it is a driver that runs in windows. E.g. a Sata 3.0 or USB 3.0 driver. Since both of those technologies are brand new, it would not surprise me to be the culprit ;) I plan to reinstall windows, and take baby steps til I find the problem. Not sure if that can happen during the week though :( Weekends are more casual ;)
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! |
Moderator
|
19. April 2010 @ 17:04 |
Link to this message
|
Ah ok, i forgot you were experimenting with new tech, soz, in this instance it might not help you troubleshoot anything then.
I'm just playing the olde worlde Monkey Island 1 game (can't believe it's 20 years since it came out & since i last played it!) on 'ScummVM' on my Athlon 2800 linux box. Only discovered ScummVM worked on linux a couple days ago, i've been busy loading up loads of ancient Scumm-aware games that i didn't play back in the day (what's great is that all the files are the original Microsoft files). Plus am playing the recent remake of the original Monkey Island, it's excellent.
I have no idea what to suggest on the SATA or USB 3.0 thing, i'm staying with II and 2.0 (if i'm not going with something i don't tend to research it until as and when i want or need it).
Main PC ~ Intel C2Q Q6600 (G0 Stepping)/Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3/2GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500/Zalman CNPS9700/Antec 900/Corsair HX 620W
Network ~ DD-WRT ~ 2node WDS-WPA2/AES ~ Buffalo WHR-G54S. 3node WPA2/AES ~ WRT54GS v6 (inc. WEP BSSID), WRT54G v2, WRT54G2 v1. *** Forum Rules ***This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. April 2010 @ 18:42
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
19. April 2010 @ 17:39 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by sammorris:
The OCZ PSUs run cool at low load because the fan speed is usually forced to a high level. Also, most modern PSUs send some of their heat into the case. Not a practice I agree with, but it will explain an increase in CPU temperature (in addition to quieter PSUs with slower fans not exhausting as much case air).
Sam,
The 700 does have a Thermister fan controller, so no problem there. I read a bunch of reviews on it last night and all of them were pretty favorable. The quality of the components is very high where it counts, and a lot of the components used, are usually only found in much higher priced units. They even use some of the same components as the high end Corsairs. I know that adding Surge protection would have raised the production cost by about $20, but I carry some in my toolbox, so it only Takes about 5 minutes to rectify the problem with a soldering gun. I do think the OCZ is worth the $30 it cost me.
You mentioned heat being vented into the case from the PSU, and I think I know why they do that, and it's directly related to case airflow and case pressure. Years ago when all a case had was maybe two 80mm low CFM fans in it, moving about 20-25 CFM, getting a PSU to exhaust properly was easy. Today, with all the very high CFM fans available, and the common use of negative case pressure, the exhaust can actually overwhelm the PSU's fans ability to move enough air, by trying to pull air back through the PSU, slowing down the PSU's airflow. They vent them inside the case to help remove some of the heat through the rear exhaust fan. Unfortunately, the air is drawn right through the area of the CPU cooler, so it raises the temps a few degrees. Negative case Pressure used to be the way to go in the days of lesser fans, but positive case pressure works much better with today's modern cases, which makes a lot of sense to me. I know that PSUs in a lot of the equipment I work on, have their air intakes for the Power Supply's direct to the outside of the case, to eliminate airflow bottlenecks for the PSU. These computer cases with the PSU on the bottom, draw their air from outside the case, as do a couple I've seen with the PSU mounted upside down at the top, with a fan grille opening to supply the cooling air directly to the PSU fan's intake. Most Media center cases draw their intake air to the PSU, from outside the case. Some cases even isolate the entire PSU in it's own chamber, with it's own intake to supply air to the PSU.
With my computer, I have about 100 CFM going in, and about 75 CFM going out. My PSU runs much cooler, and my overall temps are lower than they were using negative case pressure. It also allows the exhaust fans to more effectively remove more heat from the case.
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
19. April 2010 @ 18:39 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Forced to high level eh? Well...if thats true, its fan is quite nice. Because it wasn't very audible. The cpu fan is what I generally hear at all times. As well as the xigmatek 140mm exhaust fan. :p
Shoulda bought one of these... :)
AeroCool 140 Streamliner
I know someone with a couple of extra.. well if he can find them... you wanna try one?? ;)
|
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 18:50 |
Link to this message
|
I was simply trying to point out, that the OCZ is nearly inaudible. At least to my ears, in my environment. I have components that seem to be louder than the OCZ. e.g. my CPU fan, and HAF932 front 230mm fan. Though thats REALLY nitpicking! That aero cool does look good though ;)
Even when gaming, I don't believe the OCZ picked up in noise. Which could be attributed to bumping up the CPU, and GPU fans ;)
The Xigmatek is generally inaudible :D
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. April 2010 @ 18:51
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 19:12 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by greensman:
Shoulda bought one of these... :)
AeroCool 140 Streamliner
I know someone with a couple of extra.. well if he can find them... you wanna try one?? ;)
yea those are some bad boys. prolly the best fans on the market. PERIOD........
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
19. April 2010 @ 20:07 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by greensman:
Shoulda bought one of these... :)
AeroCool 140 Streamliner
I know someone with a couple of extra.. well if he can find them... you wanna try one?? ;)
yea those are some bad boys. prolly the best fans on the market. PERIOD........
Rob,
I have to cast my vote for Scythe Slipstreams. Every one I've had tested so far was about 1-2dBA quieter than claimed! They are also the only sleeve bearing fans that have survived for more than a year, in this very dusty part of the country. This is what I ordered to replace the 53 CFM FN121 Silverstone, that also happens to be an extremely quiet fan.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185058
Depending on the results with the temps, the FN121 may wind up in the lower front to replace the stock Cooler Master fan. Just my two Cents worth!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
19. April 2010 @ 23:20 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by greensman:
Shoulda bought one of these... :)
AeroCool 140 Streamliner
I know someone with a couple of extra.. well if he can find them... you wanna try one?? ;)
yea those are some bad boys. prolly the best fans on the market. PERIOD........
Rob,
I have to cast my vote for Scythe Slipstreams. Every one I've had tested so far was about 1-2dBA quieter than claimed! They are also the only sleeve bearing fans that have survived for more than a year, in this very dusty part of the country. This is what I ordered to replace the 53 CFM FN121 Silverstone, that also happens to be an extremely quiet fan.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185058
Depending on the results with the temps, the FN121 may wind up in the lower front to replace the stock Cooler Master fan. Just my two Cents worth!
Best Regards,
Russ
I"m sure it's good Russ but it's NOT a 140mm. ;) I like the price and if they offer FREE shipping I may have to get a couple just because RUss said they was good... :p
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
20. April 2010 @ 00:35 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
(greensman)I"m sure it's good Russ but it's NOT a 140mm. ;) I like the price and if they offer FREE shipping I may have to get a couple just because Russ said they was good... :p
GM,
Shows you what I know! LOL!! I didn't notice it was 140mm! ROFLMSOAO!!
BTW! At almost $18, it should have free shipping! At $29.99 + $2.99 shipping, the Noctua NF-P14 FLX is probably the best 140mm fan in the world. It's certainly one of the quietest. 64.96cfm @1200rpm, 19.6dBA. 49.29cfm @900rpm, 13.2dBA. 41.93cfm @750rpm, 10.1dBA. I would try one with the motherboard controller set to voltage first, before I used the speed adapters.
The aerocool runs at 54.7cfm @1000rpm, 19.6dBA. The Noctua has the same noise spec of 19.6dBA @1200rpm, but moves air at 64.96cfm. You want a 140mm fan with lots of air with very low noise, this is it!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 20. April 2010 @ 05:24
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
20. April 2010 @ 06:32 |
Link to this message
|
|
There's a 140mm version of the Slipstream you guys realise? The 'Kaze Maru 2' is the successor to the original Kaze Maru. It's in 500, 800, 1200 and 1700rpm speeds. It's not a true 140mm fan as it uses a 120mm frame, but it is still 140mm in diameter and moves the appropriate amount of air. I want to get one as the back fan for my HAF but it means importing one from the US. Ironically, even with the poor exchange rate at the moment, doing so would cost no more than I paid in the UK for a Noctua 120mm fan a couple of years ago!
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
20. April 2010 @ 07:05 |
Link to this message
|
|
Russ sent you a PM. Gimme a reply asap I appreciate it.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388 |
AfterDawn Addict
|
20. April 2010 @ 07:19 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by sammorris:
There's a 140mm version of the Slipstream you guys realise? The 'Kaze Maru 2' is the successor to the original Kaze Maru. It's in 500, 800, 1200 and 1700rpm speeds. It's not a true 140mm fan as it uses a 120mm frame, but it is still 140mm in diameter and moves the appropriate amount of air. I want to get one as the back fan for my HAF but it means importing one from the US. Ironically, even with the poor exchange rate at the moment, doing so would cost no more than I paid in the UK for a Noctua 120mm fan a couple of years ago!
No offense, but I would rather spend the money and get the Noctua NF-P14 FLX! With a MTBF of 150,000 hours versus the 20,000 hours of the Kaze Maru 2, and a good deal quieter at 1200 RPM, it's certainly worth consideration. I also just now found out that you can plug it into the CPU header on the motherboard, set it to Auto, and it works fine! Should be damn near silent! Expensive, yes, but vewy vewy quiet! :)
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
20. April 2010 @ 07:23 |
Link to this message
|
Noctua fans are overrated really. I haven't tested the newer models, but they never fixed the 550Hz bearing resonance in the original fans, causing them to be far louder than their stated noise level. The Slipstreams also have a bearing resonance, but it only appears under stress (i.e. positive pressure against them). The resonance frequency of the Slipstreams seems to be about 455Hz.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
20. April 2010 @ 07:52 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by sammorris:
Noctua fans are overrated really. I haven't tested the newer models, but they never fixed the 550Hz bearing resonance in the original fans, causing them to be far louder than their stated noise level. The Slipstreams also have a bearing resonance, but it only appears under stress (i.e. positive pressure against them). The resonance frequency of the Slipstreams seems to be about 455Hz.
Sam,
I don't know, but I had a short physical demonstration of the Noctua, last night and it is amazingly quiet at any speed. I am impressed! You can set it standing up on the desktop, and there's no buzz, and you only feel the very slightest bit of vibration, holding it with your fingertips. The blade balance must be flawless! I guess that's why it costs so much! I wonder what they did to the motor to make it last 17+ years between failures. That's what 150,000 hours works out to. The Kaze Maru 2, works out to a little over 2 years between failures! I got the specs straight from the manufacturer's websites.
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
|
|
