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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Red_Maw
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10. June 2010 @ 11:50 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The coolit fan is 1800rpm, and 120mm? That can't be that quiet, and I'm somewhat surprised it ships with such a powerful fan, my experience with watercooling rads (though granted, small compact single 120mm ones may differ) is that 1000-1200rpm is all you ever need.
For triple rads I think 1400-1800rpm is just about the sweet spot for performance/noise. Higher and lower rpm will have a noticeable effect but for most rads anything past 1800rpm gains very little. Exception being the HWL rads which seem to really need high rpm fans (minimum 1400rpm) to even function.
The six 1850rpm fans on my rad make more noise than I anticipated although on a quiet morning it's still nothing but a slight hum from the far side of my desk. Based off what one of them sounded like by itself I think what I might be hearing mostly is the air moving through the rad, can't be sure though as I've heard neither a rad with fans or six 1850 rpm fans before.
Edit: Just took a quick look and it seems single rads respond almost linearly to rpm's so it mostly comes down to the noise/performance one wants.
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10. June 2010 @ 15:45 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
I got say loving my temps also low rpm's on cpu fan and Gpu at 40% speed but my cpu is on the PWM it is temp controlled if stress is applyed on this Rig but. I control my ATI HD 5770 Card with software for it's speed. I just wish 1 day... I can get my AMD rig to the same 965BE will be home today Fedex travel...
liking my video card temps real well...
Will,
You might want to include an ambient temperature with that information, since I know that you keep your home quite chilly. Otherwise people might not realize that you run your computer in a 73F/23C environment, which is a much cooler environment than I usually see here in SoCal this time of year. Not being picky, but your room temperature can make all the difference in the world, as to the temperatures you see on your computer. I rarely get to see room temps below 78F/26C, this time of year. Normally in the summer months it's between 80F to 85F in here, with outside temps between 95F and 110F. We had such a cold spring, that I have no idea of how hot to expect things this summer. It's really strange to see the shadow of the house next door, on the south side of my house, as we've never seen that before, at least not in the 5 years I've lived here. We've only seen 6 days above 80 and 2 days above 90, the entire year, so far! I recorded these temps at 80F/23C, last week.
Since I got all my fans straightened out, the CPU temp has not risen to over 48C to date, when stress testing, and with stressful apps like DVDRB/CCE it hasn't gone over 43C yet. My video card has been moved back to the proper slot, and everything seems to be working like a well oiled machine. I think I'm ready to face the summer heat, if it ever gets here! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. June 2010 @ 16:49 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by sammorris:
The coolit fan is 1800rpm, and 120mm? That can't be that quiet, and I'm somewhat surprised it ships with such a powerful fan, my experience with watercooling rads (though granted, small compact single 120mm ones may differ) is that 1000-1200rpm is all you ever need.
For triple rads I think 1400-1800rpm is just about the sweet spot for performance/noise. Higher and lower rpm will have a noticeable effect but for most rads anything past 1800rpm gains very little. Exception being the HWL rads which seem to really need high rpm fans (minimum 1400rpm) to even function.
The six 1850rpm fans on my rad make more noise than I anticipated although on a quiet morning it's still nothing but a slight hum from the far side of my desk. Based off what one of them sounded like by itself I think what I might be hearing mostly is the air moving through the rad, can't be sure though as I've heard neither a rad with fans or six 1850 rpm fans before.
Edit: Just took a quick look and it seems single rads respond almost linearly to rpm's so it mostly comes down to the noise/performance one wants.
Red_Maw,
A lot of the noise level has to do with the blade design of the fan. The fan that came with the Coolit ECO is much quieter than I expected it to be. It also helps that the "Push" fan has a lower CFM than the "Pull" fan. No rocket science here, but the same basic idea as a turbine in a jet engine compressor stage, in that you want the airflow to expand and build as it goes through the radiator. It makes the 1200 rpm Scythe spin about 1400 rpm without a lot of noise, doing it. Switch the two fans around, and it get's pretty noisy and less efficient! I've tried several different fan combination's, and so far, how I have it with the Scythe pulling and the Coolit stock fan pushing seems to work best.
I'm currently working the design of a miniature air turbine for dental handpieces, based on the same principle, that moves the largest rotational mass, closer to the end of the drill bit (Bur), so there is less deflection of the rotational mass to reduce bur whip, and increased torque without having to increase the rpm's to do it!
Best Regards,
Russ
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Red_Maw
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10. June 2010 @ 20:42 |
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Wish I knew that before purchasing the fans :( If I get a second rad I'll buy some 1400rpm GT's to use as pushers; live and learn I guess.
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10. June 2010 @ 20:44 |
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i wonder why we haev a cooling thread stickied :p
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10. June 2010 @ 20:46 |
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Conversations digress, it happens :P
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11. June 2010 @ 02:24 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Conversations digress, it happens :P
It all has to do with building. We pretty much cover all the components here, at one time or another.
Russ
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11. June 2010 @ 02:54 |
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without a doubt. i was just joking, i love reading it, as cooling isnt my strongest point. as long as it isnt greensman drumming on about DVD drives im content :p
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12. June 2010 @ 09:50 |
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Shaff ...I'm interested in an SSD Drive. But know nothing about them. What I want to do is put my Operateing system and about 4 Gigs Software. What I need to know is what SSD Card I need and what size would you recommend
I was told some cards are not Bootable
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12. June 2010 @ 09:53 |
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well first thing is first, what budget do you have to work with?
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12. June 2010 @ 10:18 |
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As far as SSD's go, pick one with a larger capacity than 30GB. After using an SSD for nearly a year thats my only gripe, wishing i bought bigger.
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12. June 2010 @ 13:35 |
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Shaff...$100.00
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12. June 2010 @ 13:39 |
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12. June 2010 @ 13:41 |
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Give me a suggestion as to my first post
SSD for Operating system and 4gig software
Size not price
( Shaff ...I'm interested in an SSD Drive. But know nothing about them. What I want to do is put my Operateing system and about 4 Gigs Software. What I need to know is what SSD Card I need and what size would you recommend
I was told some cards are not Bootable )
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12. June 2010 @ 13:52 |
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Um, see above? :P the $120 X25-V is 40GB, which is enough to fit an OS and a few gigs of programs, but it has a slow write speed. Otherwise it's fine. The X25-M is the full performance version, and it's $80 gig, but obviously, is far far more than $100. I would always recommend Intel SSDs due to their random data performance being so much better than almost all of the competition - it is random data performance that really makes an SSD feel like an SSD.
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12. June 2010 @ 13:57 |
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OK THANKS, Guess I'll wait
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12. June 2010 @ 14:06 |
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I see the 80Gb version has dropped in price significantly! Highly tempting to get a couple. 160Gb is not enough for me though. I would prefer at least twice that. Guess I wait too. Good to see the prices dropping though :D I'll be raiding a few of those in no time!
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12. June 2010 @ 14:13 |
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Depends on how the games are coded. If they use huge piles of small files, or worse, piles of small files compressed into a large archive, using an SSD will be beneficial. Otherwise, the read rate of a high-end hard drive will more than keep up. A lot of game loading time is down to the CPU, not so much the hard disk (within reason). Other than game and software loading times, I see no reason to be using an SSD over mechanical drives other than noise, and replacing terabytes of storage with SSDs, not going to happen for a good few years yet!
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12. June 2010 @ 14:41 |
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LOL! Yah, I won't even dream about Terabyte SSD drives. I saw one on newegg a while back. It was extremely expensive. Quite the bummer. But understandable. I won't even begin to hope at present :(
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12. June 2010 @ 20:05 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
LOL! Yah, I won't even dream about Terabyte SSD drives. I saw one on newegg a while back. It was extremely expensive. Quite the bummer. But understandable. I won't even begin to hope at present :(
Oman7,
After reading Dee's review and tests, I'm rather high on this OCZ.
http://www.myce.com/review/ocz-vertex-2-...Introduction-1/
It uses a lot of interesting technology. What do you guys think?
Russ
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12. June 2010 @ 20:46 |
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hey rick, my best bet is between these two:
OCZ Onyx 32GB - $75 after rebate!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...Tpk=OCZ%20Onyx.
the OCZ i would pick if you are doing intense multitaking and running windows 7 as it has trim support.
30GB will be enough, as win7 is under 10GB, so 4GB worth of stoft ware leaves about 1/2 of the SSD free for a very big pagefile (though its highly recommended a pagefile shoudl eb set up on a partition the storage HDD), or jsut random installs and hdd space for the OS.
now if you instist on stay with the tried and tested XP then this:
Kingston SSDNow V Series 30GB - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139162
best used on XP as it has no TRIM supprt (as doesnt XP). or if you arnt not doing intensive multitaking.
both are brilliant value, and IMO i would go with the OCZ as i like using window 7.
though, the intel drive in Q3 will be retaining its price BUT doubling its capacity to 80Gb, if you need that. if not buy either of these two :)
and remember that you will need a 2.5" to 3.5" hdd adaptor, to fit in a desktop, unless you are fitting it into a laptop.
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12. June 2010 @ 20:48 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends on how the games are coded. If they use huge piles of small files, or worse, piles of small files compressed into a large archive, using an SSD will be beneficial. Otherwise, the read rate of a high-end hard drive will more than keep up. A lot of game loading time is down to the CPU, not so much the hard disk (within reason). Other than game and software loading times, I see no reason to be using an SSD over mechanical drives other than noise, and replacing terabytes of storage with SSDs, not going to happen for a good few years yet!
umm speed of the OS, boot times, just a snappy feel of the average life your PC.
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12. June 2010 @ 21:35 |
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That OCZ looks incredible russ. Wish I had the funds for it. Perhaps if the price drops in a few months. I've been pondering how I could make do with a mere 100Gb. I think I can do it! :D
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12. June 2010 @ 22:26 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
That OCZ looks incredible russ. Wish I had the funds for it. Perhaps if the price drops in a few months. I've been pondering how I could make do with a mere 100Gb. I think I can do it! :D
Oman7,
They make it in three different sizes and I wouldn't mind buying a 50GB oneOriginally posted by omegaman7:
That OCZ looks incredible russ. Wish I had the funds for it. Perhaps if the price drops in a few months. I've been pondering how I could make do with a mere 100Gb. I think I can do it! :D
Oman7,
The one that would interest me would be the OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTX50G 2.5" 50GB SATA II MLC. Utilizing the SandForce exclusive RAISE tecnology, and OCZ's Durawrite, it beats out the Intel X25-m in every test, Real World and otherwise. It absolutely "Drubs" the Intel in most of the tests. From what I can see from Dee's testing, it's probably the finest SSD yet! At $179, it's not cheap, but the benefits are obvious.
I've checked the Auto Notify at Newegg, as they sold out in one day! I guess that means that I will be switching to Win7, if I do get one. I'm getting ready for another Out of State build for a friend in Massachusetts in a couple of weeks, so maybe I will buy one for my AMD. I might as well step firmly into the 21st Century before I go! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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12. June 2010 @ 22:33 |
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LOL! I don't doubt they sold out ;) I'm gonna have that badboy on my mind for a while now.
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