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You wouldn't want the Onyx, I believe it's cacheless like the early SSDs, it will make using any system it runs in an absolute chore.



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This ONYX has 64Mb. Unless newegg screwed up again.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...&Tpk=ocz%20onyx



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Ah ok, no you're right, it's not the same as the Solid/Core/Apex drives. However, since it uses an Indilinx controller, it will not be as fast for random access as Intel or Sandforce SSDs.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
You wouldn't want the Onyx, I believe it's cacheless like the early SSDs, it will make using any system it runs in an absolute chore.
Sam,
I think I would rather spend the extra $100 and get the OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTX50G 2.5" 50GB SATA II MLC. It's State of the Art, and makes the Onyx seem like a Horse and Buggy, performance wise! I would also rather have a 50GB than a 32GB SSD.

Did you read the Review and Tests, Dee did on it, that I linked to Kevin? Fabulous SSD!

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I'd want to see the G2 X25-M go up against the Vertex 2. It would still lose I'm sure, but it'd be a bit closer. You have to bear in mind that the X25-M G1 existed before almost any of us knew what SSDS were, it's ancient.
Note how far behind the other SSDs are too. In the face of Sandforce and Intel controllers, all other SSDs are pretty much useless at random performance. Better than mechanical drives by factors of several, but not hundreds.

Also note the velociraptor is 3 times as fast as the original OCZ cacheless SSD. The Apex was the high-end part too, let alone the basic Core/Solid models.



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12. June 2010 @ 23:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Honestly, my velociraptor loads windows and favored programs quickly enough. So other than PLAYING with an SSD, I really don't have a need for one at present. Besides, in my opinion they're still in their infancy. Not sure just how trustworthy they are yet ;)

If another V-Raptor goes out though...I'll be irritated enough to make the change LOL! 7200 drives just aren't enough anymore. I think most of you understand that ;)



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Originally posted by sammorris:
I'd want to see the G2 X25-M go up against the Vertex 2. It would still lose I'm sure, but it'd be a bit closer. You have to bear in mind that the X25-M G1 existed before almost any of us knew what SSDS were, it's ancient.
Note how far behind the other SSDs are too. In the face of Sandforce and Intel controllers, all other SSDs are pretty much useless at random performance. Better than mechanical drives by factors of several, but not hundreds.

Also note the velociraptor is 3 times as fast as the original OCZ cacheless SSD. The Apex was the high-end part too, let alone the basic Core/Solid models.
Sam,
Read Dee's Review and Tests on it. It blows the X25-M away, head to head!
http://www.myce.com/review/ocz-vertex-2-...Introduction-1/

Same drive, but 50GB and a smaller amount of total reserve memory. The 100GB has 28MB for remapping and replacing failed cells. Same 3 year Warranty.

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Originally posted by Dee:
Take the original OCZ Vertex and Intel X25-M for example, they are both quite different in how they perform, the Intel drive having strong 4K random write performance and very limited sequential writing performance, whereas the original OCZ Vertex had modest 4k write performance and strong sequential writing performance. Yet put these two drives side by side in the real world, with real users and applications, and it become almost impossible to tell these drives apart in terms of speed.
I think she says they're almost identical...



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The G1, is what they tested. The G2 is a newer, improved version. It would still never match the Vertex 2, but the OCZ is £152 for 50GB and the Intel is £166 for 80GB, so that makes the OCZ pretty pricey. I have to say though, in terms of loading speed, I'm using a 7200rpm drive right now, not even a 10k, and compared to my old 37GB Raptor, the WD1001FALS is just as fast, and makes half the noise, plus it's nearly 30 times as big! Having a huge drive as your OS has its disadvantages, as you're always going to put stuff on it you'll need to move off it should you need to reformat, but for the price I paid, and what it does, it still makes even the best value SSDs look horrendously expensive. So many things need upgrading before an SSD, it just isn't going to get done in the near future for me. The first SSD I'm likely to buy will be for my silent machine, not for performance in my gaming system.



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Excellent sam! I used a WD1001FALS for a time. It performed very similarly to a V-Raptor. In fact, if my Raptor were to quit right now, I wouldn't hesitate to use one ;)



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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/125?vs=152

shows the G2 loosing to the vertex2 in all but 1 test they did.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
The G1, is what they tested. The G2 is a newer, improved version. It would still never match the Vertex 2, but the OCZ is £152 for 50GB and the Intel is £166 for 80GB, so that makes the OCZ pretty pricey. I have to say though, in terms of loading speed, I'm using a 7200rpm drive right now, not even a 10k, and compared to my old 37GB Raptor, the WD1001FALS is just as fast, and makes half the noise, plus it's nearly 30 times as big! Having a huge drive as your OS has its disadvantages, as you're always going to put stuff on it you'll need to move off it should you need to reformat, but for the price I paid, and what it does, it still makes even the best value SSDs look horrendously expensive. So many things need upgrading before an SSD, it just isn't going to get done in the near future for me. The first SSD I'm likely to buy will be for my silent machine, not for performance in my gaming system.
Sam,
While I do agree with you, if I'm going to be leaving this world anyway, what better way to do it than to spend a little time messing around with the latest and greatest technology. It would put a nice cap on almost 22 years of building computers! :)

Russ

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Couldn't agree more russ ;)

Thanks for the post shaff. Clearly I need to visit anandtech more often. I had no idea that products could be filtered to show only particular results like that. That may be my first stop from now on, when querying technology.



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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/125?vs=152

shows the G2 loosing to the vertex2 in all but 1 test they did.
Shaff,
I saw that, but I think that Dee has gone well beyond Anandtech with his testing. In fact Anandtech's revamped SSD tests are what inspired Dee in the first place. He mentions that in the Review.

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Yeah, the result of the G2 vs the Vertex 2 is unsurprising. The X25-M G2 is still a pretty old-fashioned design. I'm hoping Intel will revamp it by the time I happen on a high-end SSD. Not that I have anything against OCZ SSDs, but as it stands at the moment, the Vertex 2 is pretty pricey.
Russ: A bit of a bleak way of putting it, is there any reason for that?



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yeah, the result of the G2 vs the Vertex 2 is unsurprising. The X25-M G2 is still a pretty old-fashioned design. I'm hoping Intel will revamp it by the time I happen on a high-end SSD. Not that I have anything against OCZ SSDs, but as it stands at the moment, the Vertex 2 is pretty pricey.
Russ: A bit of a bleak way of putting it, is there any reason for that?
Sam,
Not bleak, but realistic. February 18th, my Doctors sat me down and told me 6 months, tops! I'm not fussed about it, as everybody lives till they die anyway.

You remember my friend Gina, from AD, lives in Chicago. The one I built the E4300/P5N-E for. She's 38, a severe Diabetic, had just started Dialysis. She had surgery to remove most of her lower insides, and had a stroke a few days later. She can now write and sit up, but she still can't talk. She tried to phone me, just to tell me that she loved me! You never know what will be.

I'll be 66 on the 24th, and I've had a great life. I had a great Career that took me all over the world, to places most people only get to dream about. By all rights I should not have even been here for the last 10 years, yet here I am, always looking forward to tomorrow. Still doing the things I enjoy doing. I have good friends and family, I care about, who care about me. Frankly, I couldn't think of a better way to go. Like I said, I'm not fussed at all, because when you think about it, it's nothing more than the final act of life! The curtain closes, and it's done!

Warmest Regards,
Russ

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Wow, very sorry to hear that. Glad you're relatively upbeat about it though, can't imagine anything worse than spending the last moments of your life unhappy. Will be a sad day though to see you go, I know we've had plenty of arguments, but you are by far the longest standing aD member I've had regular contact with, I'm pretty sure you and I were conversing in threads back in my first few months at aD in 2004. That seems a long long time ago now!

It would be nice if someone you knew could post here on your behalf with what happens later on. If you were to disappear from the forums, we could only speculate, perhaps wrongly, which I'm sure you wouldn't want!



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Wow, very sorry to hear that. Glad you're relatively upbeat about it though, can't imagine anything worse than spending the last moments of your life unhappy. Will be a sad day though to see you go, I know we've had plenty of arguments, but you are by far the longest standing aD member I've had regular contact with, I'm pretty sure you and I were conversing in threads back in my first few months at aD in 2004. That seems a long long time ago now!

It would be nice if someone you knew could post here on your behalf with what happens later on. If you were to disappear from the forums, we could only speculate, perhaps wrongly, which I'm sure you wouldn't want!
Sam,
We've had our arguments and disagreements, true. Some times I took it too far, and for that, I am sorry. Still, I've never considered you anything less than a friend that I can always depend on to fill me in on things that you know far more about than I do. Lots of good people here too.

It's funny, I've thought about telling, and even hinted at it for a while now, and there are a few members who do know, that haven't said a word (bless them), I just felt that when you are at 4 months into a 6 month plan, that it was time. You know me well enough to know that I just wouldn't give up. Like I said, here I am still looking towards tomorrow, and planning more things to do. Besides, I still have one more build to do for my Friend Fran in Massachusetts. That will make 428 builds in just under 22 years. :)

Have no worries that I will just disappear. Rest assured, My Good Friend Russell will notify all the forums that I belong to. If he is unable to, another Good Friend, Dave will take care of it for me. My 955BE is being left to Russell, and Oxi is going to Dave.

Like I said, as long as I can still do the things I can do, and enjoy doing them, I'll be happy!

Thanks again for the kind thoughts,
Russ

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OK Think I'll get the OCZ Onyx OCZSSD2-1ONX32G 2.5" 32GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
This should work best for me, as I'm using Vista Lite with SP1. Which only takes up 1.31 gig of space
The reason I'm using Vista is that WinXP recolonizes my 2T Samsung Drives in Computer Managment but won't initiate them. Wanting me to FORMAT again I guess. I've got too much Data on them for that
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What does everyone think about this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167025
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Intel X25-V SSDSA2MP040G2R5 2.5" 40GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Looks plenty fast to me
Also it's 40 Gig

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Rick: XP doesn't support the increased block size of the new 2TB drives. If you want them to work with XP, there is a jumper setting you can change so that they will be visible. This will almost certainly need to be done before they are formatted though.
The X25-V is the SSD I intend to buy for my first SSD system, as it's far more reasonably priced and seems to perform adequately aside from sequential write, which I rarely need.



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I'm afraid I agree with sam. Really afraid LOL! Nah, totally logical. The real world differences are minor. So price becomes the main factor really. Intel wins out in this area ;) I'm afraid even they're out of my current price range though :( Perhaps not in a few weeks/months though...

Although if I were russ, I'd wanna experience the badboy :D



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Intel doesn't win out on all prices. There is no X25-M smaller than 80GB and cheaper than £166. So technically, if you only need 50GB, the OCZ Vertex 2 is better value, in that sense. Of course, if you don't care for sustained write either, the £88 X25-V is the best value of all.



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Sorry, I didn't mean all of their ssd's. :p



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My 2T HDD WORKED FINE ON MY OTHER Computer
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