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theonejrs

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1. December 2008 @ 10:39

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For the more technically minded amongst us. Interesting stuff!

http://www.eetimes.eu/semi/showArticle.j...&printable=true

Enjoy,
Russ

I guess everyone is wondering why I'm quoting myself? Because I would like to explain in the simplest of terms what all this "Jiberish" you just read means! It means that AMD's Architecture in the 65nm Barcelona chips is better than Intel's Architecture in the C2D! Don't fall over, but it's better than the Architecture in Core i7 too! Part of the answer lies here.

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Intel has a long history of pushing processor-speed performance ratings, and did so by designing transistors with high on currents to drive fan out gates quickly. In fact, Intel's 45-nm high-K metal gate transistors have the best peak drive currents on the market with 1.36µA/µm for NFETs and just over a milliamp for PFETs. Compared with Intel's speed-burners, a typical 45-nm transistor on AMD's Shanghai is a lot less powerful.

The important words here are "45-nm high-K metal gate transistors" or "HKMG" Transistors. If you've read the article it's considered to be Intel's strongest point and that leaves AMD far behind as their Chip lacks these Transistors, and are slower clock for clock because of it.

Part of all the uproar when it was reported that the Phenom II had hit 6GHz had to do with the lack of those transistors. With all the yelling about 6.0GHz with the Phenom II being BS, specifically pointing their fingers at the lack of HKMG transistors as the main reason it couldn't be true! While all this denial wss going on, Few had stopped to consider the most important clue to the whole scheme of things, and that's the fact that the Intel's Architecture was unable to allow them to get to 45nm without HKMG transistors, while in fact, both Panasonic (the first 45nm chip) and AMD were able to accomplish just that!

AMD (read, Ati) and IBM have been working closely together to develop their own HKMG Transistors to be integrated into AMD's chips, in mid 09. These will require far less power usage to enable than the Intel chips because of AMD's superior Architecture. If you think 6.0GHz raised a fuss, wait until it becomes 7 GHz or more. Perhaps even as high 7.5 GHz! The bandwidth alone should be staggering!

Cost is also going to play a big part in all of this as well. Consider this! You will need a very expensive socket 1333 MB, and an expensive Chip just to match the performance of the current Q9550 and up, while AMD is doing all of this in Socket AM2, AM2+ and AM3 using the same 940 pin socket, which is pin for pin the same as the 65nm Barcelona! Imagine the impact all of this will have on your wallet!

It's the Server market, that is both AMD and Intel's bread and butter! The enthusiasts like us are in the minority here! With the servers, it will be the ability to drop a Phenom II into existing motherboards, or even with a new AM3 motherboard for a much lower cost. Picture the cost savings to a company like Google who have huge rooms full of thousands of servers. Rooms the size of football fields and you get the general idea! We are talking huge sums of money here, not to mention the huge savings all these big companies will enjoy, using much less power.

With the introduction of the 780G and the 790GX chipsets, giving a performance boost of approximately 15% over existing AM2 motherboards with the same CPU, the future suddenly looks very bright for AMD. Even brighter for us, and that's what counts to me! Remember also that Intel used every trick in the book to get to where they are with Core i7. It's stretched to the limit, and nothing short of new Architecture design is going to change that, and that will take considerable time, another big plus for us all around!

For those of you who do not know me, I'm 64 years old and have been around electronics since 1952, (yes, since age 7) when an Electronics store opened in our town! I practically lived there! I started my formal training in electronics at age 13 in 1957, thanks to a friend of mine's father having an Audio visual business. Before that he worked as an Electronics Tech for NBC and then RCA for 20 years. He taught me everything he knew, and since I already had acquired the basics on my own, I was a quick learner, I did pretty well with electronics. I coined the phrase "Consumer Electronics" in 1963 to try and promote some very good Japanese electronics that nobody wanted. Before that just about anything electronic that had came from Japan was considered (and rightfully so) sub standard junk, and were a very hard sell for us because of their past poor reputation. I hung a large sign that simply said Consumer Electronics on the front of our Booth, and business picked up considerably because people wanted to know what the heck "Consumer Electronics" was! By the end of the this particular "Home Show" others that were not doing too well, copied my sign and did the same thing. The show turned out to be a huge success for us, and we sold a lot of electronics to retailers.

For the past 40 years I have worked in the Medical and Dental repair field and am certified to repair X-Ray equipment, Cat Scans, Electron Microscopes and all the rest of the millions of dollars worth of high tech diagnostic equipment, some using as many as 32 Microprocessors, 16 to a motherboard. It's amazing the level of tech you can buy, when money is no object! I've been to 4 Continents and have literally worked all over the world. I've been pretty much retired for the last couple of years for health reasons, although I still do some work in the Dental field once in a while for friends. I've been involved with computers since 1984. I lost interest in them for a few years in early 2001 and didn't even own one again until 2003. It's all kind of grown from there. LOL!!

Best Regards,
Russ


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