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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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Gnomex
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13. January 2005 @ 07:31 |
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An application installer can help users that have problemss configuring DVD-RB and its related software. THe instaler will never be a complete solution due to the cost of CCE BAsic. However, it will help first time users.
Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
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HKT3020
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16. January 2005 @ 19:41 |
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Noticed that the VIPs have access to DVD-RB v0.71. Now my question is this, previously I learned that ecl was not supported with 0.70 as well as the latest trial version of CCE SP. Has this been remedied in DVD-RB v0.71?
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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 20:34 |
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Yes. New for .71 RB, set the option in CCE Options to CCE SP Trial and then in Setup set the Path for SP to the ccspt.exe. I gave it a try and it works. It is a bit faster, but not a lot (at least on my old clunker). Be my guest to run the time trials for comparison. I don't have matching PCs so I'd have to do it on the same PC and I don't have that much time to waste on minute technicalities. Now if I was being paid, it would be a great job. LOL
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HKT3020
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17. January 2005 @ 00:38 |
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It seems there is a problem with CCE 2.70's quantizer characteristics which means I think I'll hold off until a later version and stick it out with my current version which is 2.66. I wonder when we can expect an update, on DVD-RB. ;-)
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brobear
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17. January 2005 @ 01:31 |
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What is the problem with CCE 2.70's quantizer characteristics?
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jdobbs
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17. January 2005 @ 02:49 |
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Sigh... I wish people would understand what they are saying before they post.
CCE changed their scale on the Quality Prec variable back to 0-100 (from 0-64). If you want to fix it you just change the default value from 16 to 24. If you don't fix it... well it will have no discernable visible effect (as this setting is a very rough scale).
All this variable does is prioritize the usage of the bits for complex scenes. It isn't even related to the quantizer.
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brobear
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17. January 2005 @ 04:26 |
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Thanks for clearing that up. It had me wondering. The trial I ran really looked good. I was wondering if something would creep out to bite me after the quantizer warning.
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jdobbs
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17. January 2005 @ 04:51 |
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It really makes you wonder what they are thinking over at Cinemacraft. In version 2.50 they had the scale at 0-100. Then in version 2.6x they changed it to 0-64. Then when CCE Basic came out they set it to 0-100 again but left it in CCE SP. Now in CCE SP v2.70 they've changed it back to 0-100 again.
DVD-RB fixed the scale at 0-64 and does conversions when it writes the .ECL file (multiplies the value by 1.56 before it writes when the output scale is 0-100). I just need to add 2.70 to the list of conversions.
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brobear
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17. January 2005 @ 05:01 |
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Am I right in assuming the Bias setting stays 25 for all?
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jdobbs
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17. January 2005 @ 05:06 |
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Yes.
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jdobbs
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17. January 2005 @ 05:10 |
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There are a fairly substantial group of other differences in the ECLs between versions, though. That's where the oversizing issue came in a few posts back. There was a mismatch between the version in use and the one selected. As a result the output was being done at a high constant bitrate -- and it was too big to burn.
This is my biggest complaint about CCE -- it's the worlds best MPEG-2 encoder, but the configuration management between versions really sucks.
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17. January 2005 @ 05:44 |
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Perhaps they do it just to annoy us, and of course you in particular.
When HD DVD's hit the market will someone find a way to compress it to dual layer discs. I realize that the size of a HD DVD can exceed 20 gigs but I'm betting that most won't be much larger that and with a little trimming of the extras and sound tracks it just might be possible to squeeze a high quality backup onto a single dual layer disc.
We all know how efficient MPEG4 is when compared to MPEG2, for instance a DiVx movie that comes in at around 1.5 gigs is virtually indistinguishable from the original at only a third of its size. The question is will there be eough interest among those who could make it happen to do it?
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17. January 2005 @ 06:27 |
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Doesn't the HD-DVD spec include MPEG-4 support? That would seem to make Xvid the way to go. Of course it's a moot point until we can get past the new encryption.
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jdobbs
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17. January 2005 @ 06:31 |
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It will probably be H.264 (AVC) -- it was a separate standard completely until recently, but now they call it MPEG-4 part 10. Normally standard MPEG-4 output (like DivX for example) uses the standard in MPEG-4 part 2. The difference is pretty dramatic... you need a lot less bandwidth for H.264 for the same quality level.
As you might expect -- it is my plan to investigate how to make HD-DVD fit on an DVD-9 ;-)
GEEK-HO!!!
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17. January 2005 @ 07:28 |
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If the new HD format is more efficient than DiVx mpeg4 then even a fair amount of compression should render a good result.
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As you might expect -- it is my plan to investigate how to make HD-DVD fit on an DVD-9
I suspected that was a possibility. LOL
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jdobbs
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17. January 2005 @ 07:42 |
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From the testing I've done and seen from others -- it is very much superior to DivX (MPEG-4 part2) at the same bitrate, it is especially noticable at low bitrates.
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Gnomex
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19. January 2005 @ 16:27 |
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Something from the past..
I was doing a movie and ended up with a subscript error :"9" out of range. This error occured in the rebuild stage. All other DVD-RB backups have been fine for a while. Any thoughts?
Note: Angles were detected. The movie was ripped with DVD Decryptor without source changes.
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jdobbs
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19. January 2005 @ 16:38 |
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Did you do any preprocessing (editing, removing menus, etc) before running DVD-RB?
If its an NTSC DVD, if you post the name I will buy a copy and test it. I'm always interested in catching errors.
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Gnomex
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19. January 2005 @ 16:46 |
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No preprocessing at all. I was going to have DVD-RB remove the unwanted content.
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jdobbs
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19. January 2005 @ 17:13 |
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What's the title? Is it NTSC?
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Gnomex
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20. January 2005 @ 05:28 |
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The Movie was TROY (NTSC). I ran the rebuild phase 3 times with the same Result.
- Versions:
-- CCE Basic Version: v2.69.1.10
-- AVISYNTH Version: v2.5.5.0
- DVD-RB 0.72
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jdobbs
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20. January 2005 @ 07:13 |
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I have that one. I've run it several times in testing with no problems. Have you tried doing the entire reencode again?
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20. January 2005 @ 07:18 |
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I also ran that one with no problems using version .70 I believe.
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Gnomex
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20. January 2005 @ 18:22 |
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I figured out what was causing the run-time error in DVD-RB. It looks like it was being caused by DVD Decryptor (3.5.2.0). This application was newly updated on my system before attempting the movie in question.
Assuming that DVD Decryptor was the problem, I let ANYDVD 4.5.2.1 take a shot at it. While slow, it worked! The movie transcoded with-out errors.
Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
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20. January 2005 @ 18:30 |
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Did you do RB/CCE on the fly with anydvd? Or did you rip to your HD with another app while running anydvd in the background?
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