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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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HKT3020
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1. March 2005 @ 00:35 |
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Okay, I could really use some help here. Any idea on how to actually handle this problem I'm having below...
This message comes up straight after rebuilding segment 5. Would running defrag help this at all or is there basically nothing I can do? Files are coming from the same HD, I just have partitioned drives for the OS/Program, DVDR files. Any help would be much appreciated.
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brobear
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1. March 2005 @ 01:17 |
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@jdobbs
CCE SP trial 2.70.1.5 works with Rebuilder v0.77 (earlier versions as well); the SP trial 2.70.2.0 does not. When RB finishes the preparation stage and goes into encoding, the CCE 2.70.2.0 trial opens but it doesn't receive the command to start encoding. Manually clicking the "Encode" button starts the encode. However, that has to be done with each individual file. Not too many people would suffer through that. I tried the 2 versions using the same Rebuilder setup with the same configuration files; so it appears to be something different in the two latest CCE SP trial versions. Any idea of what's happening or are the CCE SP trials after 2.70.1.5 useless as far as RB is concerned?
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HKT3020
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1. March 2005 @ 02:30 |
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I mentioned this on p.61 on this thread and I'm not sure but I think I was accused of using pirated software when it was clearly a trial. Glad to see I'm not the only one experiencing this problem, which means it'll be taken care of being that its been brought to attention by a Senior Member. ;-)
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1. March 2005 @ 02:48 |
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@brobear
That's a bug of that version of CCE but is has a simple workaround. Go to Setup window (menu options->setup) and check the option "Run Apps Minimized".
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1. March 2005 @ 02:58 |
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brobear
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1. March 2005 @ 03:12 |
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HKT3020
Rockas answered the question which was pretty much a repeat of yours. The thread got seriously sidetracked for a while on the problem of pirated software. I don't remember anyone accusing you of using pirated software. Ozzy was the member who volunteered the fact he was using "Works" and trials without watermarks. Now the thread is back on track and you have your answer. I don't think anyone was playing favorites according to member levels.
@rockas
Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try. I was checking it out due to having tried the 2.70.1.5 and knew that trial worked properly. I wish I knew enough about the way the program works to understand how running the program minimized causes the encode command to be entered.
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HKT3020
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1. March 2005 @ 03:41 |
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Definitely very odd, it seems DVD-RB skipped the creation of 2 files because they're missing in the D2AVS folder. The .flg, .vaf and .avs files are there, what I'm missing are .m2v files. and being that the solution mentioned doesn't apply with the 2.70 version/s then I guess I'm out of luck. I'll leave this on my hard drive for the time being but if anyone out there with 2.70 plus has a suggestion then it'll indeed be of some use to me. I'll post my rebuilder.ecl file later in the day, running a few encodes at the moment and won't be done possibly until after 3 or 4. As of now I'm off to take on the this so called winter storm we're having here in the big apple, hope to return later today with a few suggestions. ;-)
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sox2k4
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1. March 2005 @ 04:35 |
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HKT3020 - don't feel bad. i was very wrongly accused of having pirated software because the Senior Member didn't know what he/she was talking about with regards to my software. YET was willing to go out on a climb and call me out as a thief of software.
i paid $58 to Visible Light for CCE Basic the second day that i had the trial. i always think its funny that some people get on a soapbox about this - nothing anyone says or does (short of making unbreakable software) is going to stop pirating. this is great software that has very few problems, THAT is what makes software sell itself.
Athlon 64 3000+ @ 1.79ghz - Compaq notebook
512mb ddr-sdram (pc2700)
100gb Seagate internal (5400rpm)
160gb AcomData external (7200rpm)
Plextor PX-716UF burner
19" Dell Ultra Sharp 1905fp flat panel
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wild77
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1. March 2005 @ 11:31 |
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Just finished my first backup using
DVD Rebuilder V 0.74 with the installer
CCE SP Trial V2.70.02
No problems at all and the picture is great!I am definately hooked and will be purchasing CCE Basic to do all my larger movies.
Thanks to Jdobbs&Rockasfor the great software
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1. March 2005 @ 11:38 |
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You just have to thank jdobbs... he is the "rock" guy :)
I just made a simple installer 8)
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jdobbs
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1. March 2005 @ 12:24 |
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@hkt3020
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It's possible a keystroke may have aborted the encode of those segments while DVD-RB was processing. Were you using the computer while it was encoding?
You can redo just those two sections by opening the rebuilder.ecl and cut-and-pasting the correct setions into another .ecl file. You can then load that .ecl directly into CCE and encode. You also must cut-and-paste the header section...
Take a look at "item.ecl" in the D2VAVS directory and you'll see what the final .ECL should look like.
The other option is to just let it start over.
I'm going to add some code to do a sanity check so it will catch when .M2V files are missing from the encode.
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Nolos
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1. March 2005 @ 12:54 |
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Hmmm the list is growing.
Fullasoul, Ozzy, HKT3020, sox2k.
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jdobbs
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1. March 2005 @ 14:23 |
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I paid $58 to Visible Light for CCE Basic the second day that i had the trial. i always think its funny that some people get on a soapbox about this - nothing anyone says or does (short of making unbreakable software) is going to stop pirating. this is great software that has very few problems, THAT is what makes software sell itself.
Hear, hear. Cinema Craft makes the best MPEG-2 encoder on the planet, bar none.
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1. March 2005 @ 14:32 |
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Finally! someone saying something nice to someone else.
Can we all start off with a clean slate? Aren't we all here for the same purpose essential purpose?
Let's share our experiences and help each other to overcome obstacles.
CCE Basic is a really good encoder, and many of us have been fortunate enough to enjoy its attributes without incident.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. |
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jdobbs
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1. March 2005 @ 14:45 |
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I'm going to have to disagree with BroBear that a good Trancoder can be as good as an encoder (err CCE, some encoders are junk). Although in the case of DVD Rebuilder this maybe the case because of how DVD-RB processes VTS files based on their Cell Ids. When you get a DVD with 40 - 50+ CellIds for just the main picture DVD-RB will brutalize your encode. A good example of this is Barry Lyndon, which has a ridiculous amount of Cell Ids. Close to the beginning theres a scene where Barrys father dies in a duel. The entire VOB Id is maybe 400 frames long, and DVD-RB gave it an average bitrate of around 1700 (~ 2700 ave for movie). Generally this scene is very low action, but in the last few frames both men in the duel fire their guns. The smoke that comes out of the guns looks VERY grain / pixelated because of the low bitrate.
However if you encode this movie as one long part in CCE and you let it have a broader bitrate distribution, things look completely different. Something I would love to see DVD -RB do is to encode each VTS as a section, then if it's required to have them in the smaller files that RB generatally creates, to have RB split the MPEG2 file up. For some movies you'de probly only notice 1 - 5% increase in quality, but I could easily see some being around 10% higher quality (ie 3 hour movies with action). But don't get me wrong as DVD-RB stands I think it's a great newbie tool for people wanting to start getting into encoding.
And one last curiousity question, I saw Jdobbs doesn't support piracy, why then does DVD-RB support EccEcl, I didn't think it had a legitimite use.
You don't understand how DVD-RB works. You will not get a better bit distribution by doing the entire movie. DVD-RB scans the MPEG stream during the PREPARE stage and the bitrate is allocated based upon that scan. In other words one pass of analysis is already completed on the entire stream before the encoding is even begun... there have been many discussions and tests done (documented on DOOM9) that show your statement to be incorrect.
ECLCCE is supported because I own a legal copy of v2.50 SP (yes I know it's old, but they didn't have CCE Basic back then and I love it) -- and it can only support command line options through the use of ECLCCE.
There are rare circumstances in which a transcoder can outperform an encoder. But they are very rare and only when the the starting bitrate was excessively high (greater than was needed).
Note: You will also find that you cannot correctly encode many movies (for solid technical reasons) using an all-at-once approach. In addition, there are many reasons why certain parts of a film have to begin on an I-FRAME, since CCE Basic has no mechanism for forcing I-FRAMES you could not create a frame-accurate representation of the movie without breaking it out into segments.
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Nolos
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1. March 2005 @ 15:38 |
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Sophocles
I agree, I have been following the thread for some weeks since using CCE and DVD rebuild, and have overcome my own obstacles by reading those who have shared their experiences, and advice. As Im sure many others have too.
I think however the future of the thread is linked directly to new members of which four out of the last six have complained about a senior members responses.
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HKT3020
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2. March 2005 @ 02:58 |
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@jdobbs
I manually encoded the missing files but before doing so I gave it a better look and noticed 6 .m2v files were missing. I created a .ecl file and had CCE do the rest, it all came back successful afterwards when rebuilding and it burned A-okay. However one problem remained, after burning the disc I took a few minutes to view it on my DVD player and noticed that the video played back pixelated and quite jagged. ;-( There is something definitely odd about this DVD and it'll be a nice little project if you have the time. I should also note that there are multiple angles on the disc as there are with todays CG films. Other than that it looked like a normal DVD to me, guess I'll take Sophocles' advice and run it through Shrink.
Here is a image capture by the way...
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/9929/pdvd0003cu.png
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2. March 2005 @ 05:14 |
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Note: You will also find that you cannot correctly encode many movies (for solid technical reasons) using an all-at-once approach. In addition, there are many reasons why certain parts of a film have to begin on an I-FRAME, since CCE Basic has no mechanism for forcing I-FRAMES you could not create a frame-accurate representation of the movie without breaking it out into segments
This is the only reason I didn't buy CCE Basic for a long time. It was also the original reason I donated for DVD-RB since it's the first program I found that could guarantee keeping the original chapter points because of the segmented encoding.
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vietseal
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2. March 2005 @ 12:51 |
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Anyone had tried DVD-RB with Procoder 2 ? How about compare qualities bettween Procoder 2 and CCE?
Thanks
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jdobbs
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3. March 2005 @ 02:41 |
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@HKT3020
What is the title of the movie? If it's available I'll buy a copy and run it through some tests.
Six missing M2Vs... that concerns me. What version of CCE are you using?
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HKT3020
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3. March 2005 @ 06:38 |
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I consider a rental being that its the Bonus disc for Spiderman 2, definitely not worth a purchase I say. For this particular test I was using CCE 2.70.01.05 and now I went back to using the trusty old 2.69.01.10 version with the same results.
Also to answer your question earlier, I was away from the computer and I'm positive no one disrupted DVD-RB, being that my door was locked. ;-)
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jdobbs
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3. March 2005 @ 07:50 |
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Is it NTSC? I already own that one and have done it. I will run it through again today.
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HKT3020
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3. March 2005 @ 08:36 |
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Yes, its the NTSC version and I'm using DVD-RB 0.74b.
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Nolos
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4. March 2005 @ 12:17 |
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Im still doing Lord of the rings I, II, and III extended. As most would know there is no Extras on the movie disk,
The Menus are up to a gig in size, so I have used Nero recode to shrink them, and the credits on disk two of each volume is up to a gig also, but I have no way of decreasing its size.
Is there any function in DVDRebuild to steel space from say, the credits to decrease the size of the credits? other than removing them?
Nolos
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4. March 2005 @ 12:22 |
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Have you tried RB-OPT?
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