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Nolos
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19. March 2005 @ 13:15 |
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bigorange,
I have no problem droping the subject. In fact I made a point of say to him that I accepted his opinion, if not his bed manner. If you have read the thread, I was not the one to introduce the subject again, nor was I the one to continue it with long winded posts.
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19. March 2005 @ 13:25 |
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Nolos
Good start! Why not join us a friend? You'll be welcomed
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19. March 2005 @ 13:53 |
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I was not the one to introduce the subject again, nor was I the one to continue it with long winded posts.
Balderdash. And I wasn't the one making asinine, snide remarks and trying to pick an argument because I don't like someone's manner in posting on a forum. At least be responsible enough to admit you started a disagreement over nothing that concerned you. If you want to count unfriendly remarks on a forum, you need to count your own in the mix.
Sophocles,
You're right, I believe this does need to go elsewhere. Is Bloodhounds still available? ;)
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Nolos
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19. March 2005 @ 13:56 |
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Sophocles
Thank you,
But one question, since most of these comments have been made in relation to a manual that is no longer current. (And certainly does not say the same in regards to multiple passes in ver 2.70 SP)making the comments irrelivent.
Has anyone honestly duplicated what I had done with 2.70 SP and comparing 24 prec and 16 at 2 passes, 3 passes, 4, 5, and 6.
Then if you have not how can you claim my result was not possible.
I have two burnt disks at 6 passes one at 24 prec and the othr at 16, that show a visable diffeence, by mistake or not that is the result I quoted.
Untill someone else does the same with different results, I can only say that that was my result and I dont need to argue it.
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Nolos
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19. March 2005 @ 14:05 |
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subject introduced as I said,
Quote Brobear,
"All you've done is make snide remarks and useless comments. 16 to 24 on the Prec scales makes little difference. Doing 6 passes on SP using Rebuilder borders on anal".
And now subject close.
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brobear
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19. March 2005 @ 14:55 |
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Nolos
The quote was well after you started your attack on me.
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Guess one acting so juvenile would consider someone criticizing their behavior as being parental. All you've done is make snide remarks and useless comments. 16 to 24 on the Prec scales makes little difference. Doing 6 passes on SP using Rebuilder borders on anal. Most people realize 3 is plenty and 4 passes is often overkill. To top it off, you feel the need to defend people when it's none of your business. There's been a lot of people come and go on this thread. People have put up with your useless comments, but you're taking it a bit too far and doing exactly what you accuse others of, being a troublemaker. Keep it up, you'll only prove the point.
If you're going to quote me, at least do a good job of it. I put the part in about the quality settings and passes for 2 reasons. First of all to point out the only thing you've said worthwhile in the whole thread goes against what just about everyone, including the author of RB and makers of CCE have to say on the subject. Second to show how little you've actually contributed other than your petty attack on me. I guess I'm the lightning rod, but others have made corroborating comments on the topic.
...but you're taking it a bit too far and doing exactly what you accuse others of, being a troublemaker. Keep it up, you'll only prove the point. And you have.
I guess the members of the forum and this thread need to now bow to your superior wisdom and knowledge. You have successfully burned a few discs at different settings and you are now the resident expert. Sophocles tried to quieten things down and you turn around and keep the same arrogant attitude in play. To stop the situation from going any farther, I have no more to say to you. From here on out, I'll just ignore you as the pest you've become. Quote:
And now subject close.
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brobear
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19. March 2005 @ 15:19 |
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tijgert
I have to agree with bigorange. On most of the forums I've noticed, CCE has most often been the encoder of choice with Rebuilder. I've been using the RB/CCE setup for some time now. I have to say jdobbs has done an excellent job of developing RB so that an encoder as good as CCE can be used with ease.
As pointed out, most of the problems have been in setup. Prior to SP 2.70 the trials for CCE had to be used with eclCCE to function properly with RB. Many people made mistakes with the setup and others tried to use cracked trials that wouldn't work properly. With 2.70.01 the trial *.exe could be entered into the path instead of the eclCCE *.exe. This simplified things and made the setup easier. Rockas with the installer program really made things easy. Following the initial trial of 2.70, CCE came out with an updated version; the 2.70.02 which you're using. I ran into a problem with that program not initiating the encode properly. Rockas informed me that in the setup one needs to select the box "Run Apps Minimized". I've done various trials with CCE from 2.50 to the current 2.70 and have found them all to work well with RB when set up properly.
I guess I should add, few setup problems have occurred using CCE Basic Retail. The Basic trial times out, so it isn't usable with RB. For $58 CCE Basic is a bargain; especially considering it is similar to the $2000 SP. Basic has fewer bells and whistles and is limited to 2 passes, but it is basically the same encoding engine.
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19. March 2005 @ 15:44 |
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Nolos
I test just about everything, but when I'm not testing then some one else who I know is and then there's jdobbs. I'm not going to let this feud devolve into a pointless argument. If you've got something to share then join us and tell us how it should be shared, but however it's done it'll be done in comradery.
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brobear
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19. March 2005 @ 16:35 |
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tijgert
I looked at your log. 17 hours to do the DVD that was successful and the failure occurred in the rebuild segment on the second DVD around 15 hours. Those times are really excessive. A copy of your configuration settings from the Rebuilder program folder in windows might be helpful. Something is wrong. Even with one of the SP trials running at 4 passes, an encode only runs around 3.5 to 4 hours on my PC. (Sophocles says my PC is slow as an ass. LOL)
What is the situation with your system that caused the excessive times? It could be a factor in why the encode failed.
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19. March 2005 @ 17:08 |
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Nolos et al...FWIW, I contacted Custom Technology (Cinema Craft) about 6 months ago and asked about the differences between Basic and SP. An engineer responded that the encoding engines were exactly the same...adding that the difference in price is due to SP having far more capabilites (which are processes unrelated to what we are doing here with our backups).
If there has been a SP version upgrade, I've not found it. If anyone knows if there has been, let me know, and I will ask CT if we are still talking apples and apples with Basic's and SP's engine.
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19. March 2005 @ 17:20 |
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Nolos, you say you want to drop it, but then you always add another comment which serves to add fuel to the fire. I re-read the last several pages, and you admonished brobear 3 times with no provocation on his part. We are all well aware of brobear's sometimes brusque manner, however his posts are informative and helpful in nature, as is his nature and we just take them with the spirit intended.
Your opinion disagrees with the majority including RB's author as to the number of passes, but that's OK, everyone is entitled to their own convictions.. Suffice to say we aren't going to change your mind and you aren't going to change ours. I submit that you take this to sophocles' generous offer of a forum for argument's sake and you and brobear have at it.
Hopefully this thread can then get back on track. We welcome you here at AD and any constructive comments or discoveries you make are welcome.
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brobear
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19. March 2005 @ 17:31 |
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Doc
Here's the history on CCE SP for the past year. Some minor updates for the encoder and program enhancements. I haven't noticed any major changes and 2.70 has been with us since September of 2004.
Version 2.70.02.00 Thursday, February 10, 2005
Changes
- Updated encoder engine to 2.70 rev.8.
- Updated HASP driver to 4.96.
- Updated User's Guide.
Enhancements
- Supported QuickTime movie play on Video trimming window.
- Enabled to specify a template in plug-in version.
Bug Fixes
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.
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Version 2.70.01.05 Monday, December 13, 2004
Bug Fixes
- Wave output was short when 3:2 pulldowned.
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.
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Version 2.70.01.04 Friday, November 5, 2004
Bug Fixes
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.
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Version 2.70.01.03 Friday, October 22, 2004
Bug Fixes
- Wave output procedure might not be completed.
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.
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Version 2.70.01.01 Friday, September 30, 2004
Bug Fixes
- File size calculation was incorrect when in point is other than zero.
- Audio in point was not properly calculated when 3:2 pulldown was selected.
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Version 2.70.01.00 Friday, September 24, 2004
Changes
- Updated encoder engine to 2.70.
- Changed GUI.
Enhancements
- Supported Adobe Premiere Pro/Pro1.5. (plug-in version)
- Added automatic resolution conversion function.
- Enabled to change frame size.
- Enabled to specify file size.
- Added 3:2 pulldown (24p -> 60i) function.
- Added auto 2-pass pulldown detection function.
- Added several parameters for quality setting.
- Added de-interlacing function.
- Added 4:1:1 -> 4:2:2 interpolation function.
- Enabled to output bottom field first stream.
- Enabled to save/load chapter list to/from file.
- Enabled to save/load template to/from file.
- Enabled to use the last modified parameter setting.
- Enabled to shut down the system when finished encoding.
- Enabled to play a sound file when finished encoding.
- Added a log output setting in the "Options" menu.
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Version 2.67.00.27 Thursday, April 15, 2004
Bug Fix
- When you output one file from Type-1 DV AVI files including ones with
shorter audio than video, an application error occurred. (standalone version)
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19. March 2005 @ 17:39 |
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We are all well aware of brobear's sometimes brusque manner
Come-on! They don't get any cuddlier than brobear! Do they?
Ok perhaps not, but it would be a shame for you guys to waste a potential friendship over points of view.
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19. March 2005 @ 17:50 |
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Sophocles
And I was going to change my name to Theodore Edward (AKA Ted E.) LOL Bigorange can be my friend, even if he thinks I'm "brusque".
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19. March 2005 @ 17:54 |
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Brobear...thanks for the info (do you have a link?). I see that there was a very recent change. It may be time to contact CT again to see if the engines are still the same.
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19. March 2005 @ 18:08 |
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Bigorange can be my friend, even if he thinks I'm "brusque".
I also said just "sometimes" and that you had an informative and helpful nature. LOL
I appreciate the friendship offer tho, Lord knows I need 'em.LOL
Soph- cuddly??????? LMFAO!!
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19. March 2005 @ 18:22 |
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19. March 2005 @ 19:41 |
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Nolos
You'll love us once you get to know us. dRD struggled with this issue and then after great thought decided to keep us.
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tijgert
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19. March 2005 @ 22:28 |
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When I said "THIS DVD-RB / CCE combo didn't work well" I was not talking about using CCE at all together with RB, but just that 2.70.02.00 was causing problems.
I have the basic version, I just want to experiment with the SP trial.
I also read on Doom9 about changing the header info in the .ecl to get it to work.
But why did it work fine the first time then?
I ripped all DVD's to my D drive (K is my optical drive) and batch processed them from there to F which is on a physically other drive.
The thing that I don't get is why it did the first DVD without a hitch, but the second (and after a test, also the third) DVD choked at 25% during the rebuild? If it fails once, it should fail again, it can't 'accidentally' not fail.
But it get's stranger. Now I also got a popup window telling me "Debugger detected blabladibla Filemon Regmon blabla uninstall to work".
There is no such thing on my machine and I didn't even reboot for a week.
As for the long duration of encoding... since I was away for a week I decided to make it all 9 pass encodings, just for the fun of it. (my test of the 3rd DVD was 5 passes and it too came crashing down at 25% on the rebuild.)
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19. March 2005 @ 22:34 |
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The thing that I don't get is why it did the first DVD without a hitch, but the second (and after a test, also the third) DVD choked at 25% during the rebuild? If it fails ones, it should fail again, it can't 'accidentally' not fail.
I can't say for sure what the problem is, but I do know that not all ripped files are created equal. I would suggest re-riping the third DVD, and then encoding it by itself, rather than part of a project. Also, make sure the drives are defragged.
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brobear
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19. March 2005 @ 22:42 |
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Also, use disk cleanup in Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools. Then reboot the PC. Don't be multi tasking, cut the passes back to 3 or 4, and remember to check the "Run Apps Minimized" box.
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20. March 2005 @ 03:51 |
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I would definately stop using the trial SP version. It adds to the headache of trouble shooting the setup.
Tijgert. Have you backed up the DVD in question with CCE basic succesfully?
As for Nolos and his many passes.
Additional passes are largely a waste of time past the standard 2 pass encode. I have not seen any useful improvement on my part for 3 or more.
I would be more interested in 1 pass VBR for time savings, but not for 2000 dollars. 2 pass is a near perfect compromise for DVD backups.
This is yet one more opinion.
If Nolos wants to make many passes just for fun then fine. But no further knowledge is to be gained in this area.
Testing and trouble shooting CCE basic and the ever improving DVDrebuilder programs is the primary goal of this group.
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20. March 2005 @ 03:59 |
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For reference I have had no actual problems with testing uncracked legal SP trial versions. But since no usefull output can be legally obtained this way I consider it a waste of resources.
If you want to test DVD rebuilder without any cost then just use the included encoder. If you get along with the program then pay the 58 bucks for CCE basic.
It isn't brain surgery. I also recomend a donation to Jdobbs for his efforts.
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Nolos
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20. March 2005 @ 06:02 |
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Thanks but as I have alread said, I have purchased the CCE Basic and I am a VIP member having donated to Jdobbs.
Which bring me to, is a forum for DVDRebuild Pro being considered.
My use of 2.70 was for trying it as apposed to basic, the very reason they offer a test version, TO TEST IT. If I spend my time using the software as it was intended, it is not a "waste of anyones resources" except mine, and I dont see why it upsets people so much.
I was not aware the "Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE", title of the thread had changed to "Testing and trouble shooting "CCE basic" and the ever improving DVDrebuilder programs" and this now being the primary goal of this group.
But now that we know I will comply.
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20. March 2005 @ 06:53 |
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