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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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tijgert
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23. March 2005 @ 05:48 |
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I've been following as much of this thread as possible, but I still can't figure out one thing.
Why should one prefer to use DGDecode.dll over MPEG2Dec3dg.dll?
What are the differences? I mean, meaningfull stuff.
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brobear
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23. March 2005 @ 06:33 |
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Check out http://neuron2.net/dgmpgdec/dgmpgdec.html for what they do, they're decoder plugins. DGDecode is simply the updated version of MPEG2Dec3dg. Here is what the neuron site says. Quote:
I have created fixed versions of DVD2AVI and MPEG2DEC3 that solve these problems, as well as provide a lot of very useful new features. To avoid confusion, these are renamed as DGIndex and DGDecode respectively.
DGDecode is upgraded to work better with the 2.5 version of AviSynth. Nothing mysterious, one is the later version of the other. They changed the names to prevent confusion. Is that confusing enough? ;) As I said, you can get more on the particulars from the neuron2 site. Check out the home page there, you'll find some useful links.
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tijgert
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23. March 2005 @ 07:49 |
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Ok, just the fact that one is a newer version of the other is good enough for me :)
I managed to download the 1.20 version by substituting the 1 in '1.21' for a 0 on the Neutron site.
Seemed to work, just hope I got the right version.
So versions later don't work? That's too bad. But how about support with 3rd party tools like NuMenu4u? Will it work if I just replace DVD2AVI with the DGIndex? (obviously renaming it first).
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jugbugs
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23. March 2005 @ 07:56 |
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What version comes with the installer? Might be a good place to start.
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tijgert
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23. March 2005 @ 08:04 |
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It seems to be 1.20, that's fine.
What I'm wondering now is this:
If DGDecode.dll and DGIndex belong together like MPEG2Dec3dg.dll belongs to DVD2AVI, can I just exchange the decoding .dll's and expect my setup to work completely normal? (I use NuMenu4U with RB78)
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jugbugs
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24. March 2005 @ 06:54 |
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What sort of differences would I see between the CCE SP version 2.67 and 2.70.20? I would be mostly concerned with quality of encodes...
P.S. I think I got my problem figured out, I was using an older version of avisynth and a trial version of the CCE encoder that appeared to be faulty. I am now using a version that works, thanks to jdobbs and brobear for your help.
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brobear
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24. March 2005 @ 07:16 |
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For working with Rebuilder, you'll probably notice little if any difference between the 2 versions.
You're welcome, glad to see you got the problem resolved. The CCE Basic is only $58. So, if you like the RB setup, it might be an idea to go with that. Basic (Retail) is sound and does a good job. For a $10 (or more) donation to jdobbs, you get on the VIP list where you get the latest releases of the PRO version of RB. The new version .80 came with a free encoder the guys are checking out now. Some of those "trials" off the net can get to be a problem sometimes, as you recently found out. Good luck.
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24. March 2005 @ 13:04 |
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tijgert
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24. March 2005 @ 14:31 |
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And another step to take... what are matrices? What can I do with them?
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jugbugs
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25. March 2005 @ 10:03 |
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After I get done encoding and rebuilding the next step is to burn. Using Nero how should I go about this? Simply drop the the AUdio_TS and VIDEO_TS folders into a data DVD? or make a a Video DVD and add the contents of the VIDEO_TS folder?
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25. March 2005 @ 10:18 |
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jugbugs
Other than forget about dropping the audio folder and just drop the VIDEO_TS folder into its Nero counterpart and click burn. That's it
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. March 2005 @ 10:18
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HKT3020
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26. March 2005 @ 16:51 |
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@ tijgert
To answer your question about matrices I don't think anyone yet has any definite answers to give you. Being that those settings are newly added features all I can say is experiment with it. I still haven't really gotten around to it yet but eventually I will. ;-)
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26. March 2005 @ 20:53 |
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I haven't really used matrices via DVD-RB's matrix editor. But i have used them often via RbOpt (DVD-RB addon). The way i like to describe them is similer to the "sharpen" and "smooth" functions in DVD Shrink. But not quite as simple. It's usually not good to use them (in my opinion) Unless your compression is lower then about a bitrate of, say, 2900-3000. Then it's just kinda up to you really. Using the proper matrice on something that's REALLY low biterate, can help the picture quality a lot. It shows off what CCE can do at lower bitrates. My faves are Kika Comic High and AngelBestLow.
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tijgert
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26. March 2005 @ 23:56 |
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Well, then Matrices might be the answer to my latest problem.
I'm currently CCE'ing some Stargate DVD's with RB78 + CCE 2.67.02.00. This I do after ripping all unneeded crap out of the menu with DVDRemake and stealing even more bits with NuMenu4U. But for a DVD with around 3,5 hours of video I still get an average bitrate of around 3000 and some noise around the edges.
The Quality Prec is at 16 (what I believe to be standard) and stubborn fucker as I am I make it a 9 pass encoding (it does seem the more passes, the more accurate the final size will be as to requested).
So, will Matrices help me out here? And how do I go about using them? (please, a small step by step guide voor a Matrix noob)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. March 2005 @ 23:57
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27. March 2005 @ 09:57 |
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Hmmm i don't know why you would be having any problems at all with a bitate of around 3000. I'm a horrible teacher, i don't have the patience. So no step by step guide here. LOL. I say ditch the menu altogether. I hate to say that but i'm gonna. And with a bitrate of 3000 or more, i'm not sure exactly how a matrice can help, BUT...you should ask some of the Pro's around here. If i had to lean towards a matrice to use for you situation it would be Kika Comic High. Here's a lot more info about RbOpt http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75202 . I hope it helps.
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tijgert
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27. March 2005 @ 10:12 |
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Well, the menu's been reduced from 600MB to around 80MB with full functionality (any other language than English is not deemed functional).
So I'll keep it.
Unfortunately someone's posting the entire series now and the quality of the DivX's is equal to my 9 pass CCE rips...
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27. March 2005 @ 18:01 |
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Hey everyone :D
I got a new PC (see sig for specs) and I can't figure out whats up with RB/CCE. I have CCE Basic 2.69.01.04 and here is my Rebuilder ini file.
[Options]
HC_Quality=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=1
HalfD1=00000
Convert_16_9=00000
DisableInterlace=00000
Skin=Rockas Original
LogFile=1
ReduceOpt=3
AdditionalOutput=1
NoWarn=1
CCE=1
OneClick=1
[Audio]
Selected=1000011100
[Paths]
CCENEW=
MPEG2DEC=C:\DVD-R Tools\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\DGDecode.dll
DECOMB=C:\DVD-R Tools\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
Working=C:\DVD-R TOOLS\WORKING DIR\
Output=C:\DVD-R TOOLS\Final Output (DVD-ReBuilder)\
Source=E:\VIDEO_TS\
CCEBasic=C:\DVD-R Tools\CCE Basic 2.69.01.04\cct2.exe
[Setup]
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguages=1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=30
Quality_prec=20
eclPasses=3
from what i remember its setup correctly but, RB doesn't like CCE! It give me an error that says:
No CCE path has been set. Use menu Options/Setup to configure.
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64026402
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27. March 2005 @ 18:46 |
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The path for CCE basic should go to Program Files/Custom Technology/Cinema Craft Encoder Basic/cct2.exe on the chosen drive.
Did you allow the default directory on install?
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27. March 2005 @ 18:56 |
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No, I changed it but i will now go and change it back.
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brobear
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27. March 2005 @ 19:35 |
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As long as the path directs to where the files are located, it doesn't have to be the default folder. There are some things wrong with the configuration file. It looks like one from SP that has been altered back to Basic. The CCENew= and CCE=1 has the program fooled.
Here's what a clean Basic configuration for your setup should look like. Note I left out Decomb. You only insert that as needed. At least I haven't had a problem with it out, your discretion to put it back. You had the Expert settings away from default and the 3 passes causes Basic to default to 1 pass.
Copy and insert the following configuration settings to replace the ones you have in the rebuilder folder.
[Options]
HC_Quality=1
HC_Matrix=1
Mode=1
AudioDub=0
idct7Opt=1
RemoveDTS=1
OneClick=1
Skin=Rockas Original
HalfD1=000000
Convert_16_9=000000
DisableInterlace=000000
[Paths]
CCEBasic=C:\DVD-R Tools\CCE Basic 2.69.01.04\cct2.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\DVD-R Tools\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\DGDecode.dll
Working=C:\DVD-R TOOLS\WORKING DIR\
Output=C:\DVD-R TOOLS\Final Output (DVD-ReBuilder)\
Source=E:\VIDEO_TS\
[Setup]
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguages=1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[Audio]
Selected=11101111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2
If you changed any folder locations, you'll need to change the path. This configuration file is for RB Pro. The Matrix setting wouldn't be applicable for freeware, but it shouldn't make a difference.
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brobear
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27. March 2005 @ 20:00 |
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[Paths]
CCEBasic=C:\DVD-R Tools\CCE Basic 2.69.01.04\cct2.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\DVD-R Tools\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\DGDecode.dll
Working=C:\DVD-R TOOLS\WORKING DIR\
Output=C:\DVD-R TOOLS\Final Output (DVD-ReBuilder)\
Source=E:\VIDEO_TS\
[Options]
LoadPlugin=1
BackColor=14737632
RemoveDTS=1
AudioDub=0
idct7Opt=1
OneClick=1
Skin=Rockas Original
Mode=1
HalfD1=000000
Convert_16_9=000000
DisableInterlace=000000
[Setup]
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguages=1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2
OPV=0
[Audio]
Selected=11101111
That is what a freeware version looks like. Just out of curiosity, it the E: drive a hard drive or DVD optical drive? Just a bit strange, everything on C: and the source E:.
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27. March 2005 @ 20:06 |
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@brobear, I donated $5 today so I have the "Pro" version. On the drive thing, I put the movie (Incredibles) on the hard drive in a .ISO format so I don't delete a file on accident. It is mounted to a virual drive with the letter "E:"
Thanks for the help,
Peace,
Pop Smith
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brobear
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27. March 2005 @ 20:15 |
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You're welcome. Most people just rip with Decrypter in file mode, but RB works with ISOs as well. You don't lose any files that I've noticed in file mode. Just optical drives pose a bit of a problem if one is trying to read from one. After your first successful encode with the new configuration, you'll have CCE= and Completed= added to the folder by the program. You have a running tally of how many programs you recorded with the app. Just in case you want an accurate count for bragging rights later on. LOL
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jdobbs
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28. March 2005 @ 01:34 |
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@Pop_Smith
Not sure if you've fixed it yet, but here's the problem:
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AdditionalOutput=1
NoWarn=1
CCE=1
OneClick=1
[Audio]
Selected=1000011100
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You're using CCE Basic -- but have selected CCE Pro under OPTIONS/CCE OPTIONS... the ini file should say "CCE=2" if you've selected CCE Basic...
Thanks for the support.
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brobear
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28. March 2005 @ 11:49 |
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jdobbs and I were pointing out the same problem. I simply corrected the problem by leaving CCE=1 out of the configuration setting and CCE=2 is written in by the program when encoding is started.
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you'll have CCE= and Completed= added to the folder by the program.
The CCE=2 (for CCE Basic) is written in by the program following the start of encoding. The user can type it in, but it doesn't appear in a clean configuration before starting encoding for the first time. This is one of the problems using an SP configuration file for basic, or vice versa, the CCE=(?) isn't changed by the setup options. The user can delete the entry and let the program rewrite the correct entry or type in the correct entry if known. For the forgetful like myself, it's easier to leave it out and let the program do it. As jdobbs pointed out, typing in 2 for the 1 for CCE=2 changes to the Basic path setup as well.
The point to remember is: No CCE=(?) or the right one in configuration settings, the wrong entry will cause problems.
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