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26. August 2010 @ 22:02 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Since today was the hottest day of the year so far, and it being about 84-85F inside, I decided to torture my computer some more. I've left the HT link frequency at 2200MHz, and raised the NB Frequency to 2800MHz. I upped the NB Voltage to 1.40v, and the CPU NB VID to 1.4250v. This fattened the Memory bandwidth up to almost 9000MB/s. A healthy 700+MB/s increase.
I set the ACC to Hybrid, and set all cores at +2%. This stops the individual cores from showing their temperatures in everest and AMD/OD. Here's a screen shot of AMD OD to confirm the settings.
The end result is faster encode times. I re-encoded the same flick I did last night with DVDRB/CCE 2 pass, and the improvement was almost 5 minutes. I figured I would go ahead and do it today since it's so hot. Temperatures were never an issue, as the CPU hit 43C, and the motherboard hit 41C.
Hey, I'm still learning! LOL!! I'm very pleased with the results!
Best Regards,
Russ
I say we are even Russ even though. I hate my sticks of memory on this Board. I fixed my setting same as yours as you . I don't have any Heat issues sense buying the Echo wonderful cooler.I'll do a Rebuild tonight and see where it comes out at...)
I also set my ACC to Hybrid, and set all cores at +2%.but...I left my NB Voltage to 1.40v, and the CPU NB VID to 1.400v. and my Votage to 1.400v stays and stable...
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26. August 2010 @ 23:16 |
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I've got 3 different Molex to SATA Connectors
Each one fried a HDD, Smoke and odor came of the back control board
Is this a fluke that I have 3 bad Connectors or what?
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26. August 2010 @ 23:24 |
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I've seen and used Molex to SATA connectors with no issues. Chances are bad connectors or a bad PSU. AFAIK Sam is running several without issue in his file server rig.
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27. August 2010 @ 00:42 |
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I run them. But I believe my Velociraptor doesn't like them. Apparently it wants more power than those connectors are capable of properly transferring. I believe 2 of my 7200rpm drives use them(WD1001Fals).
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27. August 2010 @ 00:49 |
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A lot of people have asked me what the ACC does, and I have to confess that I still don't really know. What I have discovered though is it affects the amount of memory bandwith by a good bit! Here's mine at 3.8GHz with the ACC turned off, and the Northbridge set to 2400MHz.
Here at 3.8GHz I have the ACC set to Hybrid, and all cores set to +2%, with the Northbridge set to 2800MHz. That fattens up the memory bandwidth considerably.
Here, I have the Cache and memory performance at 3.8GHz, with the Northbridge set to 2400MHz.
Here is the Cache and memory performance with the ACC set to Hybrid, and all cores set to +2%, at 3.8GHz, with the Northbridge set to 2800MHz
The memory Latency improves by 2.7ns, the Li and L2 Cache performance remained the same, but the L3 Cache performance improved markedly, while losing .1ns in Latency. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out that your computer will be faster due to a wider memory bandwidth, and better L3 Cache performance.
Stay Tuned,
Russ
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27. August 2010 @ 04:01 |
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I plug the Molex up to IDE HDD and all is well, so I don't think it's the PSU
I'm a little skeptical about another connector and SATA HDD, don't want to fry 4 in a row
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27. August 2010 @ 05:47 |
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I've had one kill two drives, but it wasn't actually the splitter at fault I believe, it was a Molex->2 Molex splitter. I threw them all away just to be sure. All the others seem to work fine, but yeah, they are risky cables. I never use previously-unused Molex->S-ATA cables on anything but bare drives, just in case.
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27. August 2010 @ 08:38 |
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Mine are 1Molex to 2 Sata, But I only hook up one SATA PER Line
Samm give me a link to the ones your useing
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27. August 2010 @ 12:49 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: I've had one kill two drives, but it wasn't actually the splitter at fault I believe, it was a Molex->2 Molex splitter. I threw them all away just to be sure. All the others seem to work fine, but yeah, they are risky cables. I never use previously-unused Molex->S-ATA cables on anything but bare drives, just in case.
That's exactly why buying a very powerful PSU is warranted at times. More power = more cables :D One day, I'll have a mess of Hard drives. Rather than deal with splitters and adapters, I'd rather just run a great PSU or two ;) I imagine the system I'll build one day (Non Gaming), will benefit from this beast!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139014
Note that there are 16 Sata connectors!!! :D
Rick, I use at least one molex to 2 sata adapters. They work good. But I'm pretty sure my Velociraptor doesn't like them LOL! It won't see that kind of power again ;)
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27. August 2010 @ 13:39 |
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omegaman7 : Any particular one you have in mind
Bought mine from NEWEGG, but don't have the foggiest which ones
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27. August 2010 @ 13:40 |
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Not even a 1KW PSU has 13 S-ATA power cables in most instances, and since my PC only ever needs about 300W when it boots up, 120 or so the rest of the time, it ain't worth it :P
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27. August 2010 @ 13:53 |
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Hi guys, I?m Not new to AMD but first time on the AMD Thread.
Just completed a Budget build for a Grandson.
Less than 5 Benjamans:
Phenom II x3 720
Gigabyte MA78LM-S2H
AC Freezer 64 Pro
DDR2 800 2x2GB
WD 500GB HDD
HIS Radeon HD 5450
HEC Mid Tower Case with 585W PSU
Lite-On CD/DVD
This $99 X3 is a Honey. Unlocked and Overclocked to a Phenom II X4 20 @ 3.4GHz. All cores stable as a rock, Prime95 for 18 Hrs. 3.4GHz was the limit on default Volts and I really didn?t want to bump the Vcore yet because, with the unlocked core, am unable to monitor the Core Temp. Am pretty sure it would be OK with the AC Freezer but I wanted to check with you AMD guys to see if anyone has come up with a solution for monitoring the Core Temp on an unlocked CPU.
Am very happy with this one ? it kicks butt. Only benchmark I?ve ran so far was AMD Overdrive - 7668.
Oh yeah, have you seen that Newegg has the new Phanom II X3 740 3GHz, $89 + $6 S&H. Sad, it?s not a BE but not a problem. Hope it unlocks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...99&Tpk=x3%20740
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27. August 2010 @ 15:05 |
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Quote: @2oldGeek
I wanted to check with you AMD guys to see if anyone has come up with a solution for monitoring the Core Temp on an unlocked CPU.
My question is are you getting a temp reading in bios of the unlocked fourth core?
the fourth core is usually a defective core so unlocking them is sometimes problematic
I heard Core temp is meaningless since you will always have one core warmer than the other. If you go by your overall CPU temp you will be fine.As long as you keep you CPU temp below 60c and another thing. I heard once you unlock there is no way of knowing your individual core temp because the sensor is disabled. Once you lock it back up the sensor goes back to normal.
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27. August 2010 @ 15:51 |
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I never trust core temps anyway, they're almost always wrong, and the normal CPU temp really defines the danger level.
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27. August 2010 @ 16:54 |
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Quote: @ bigwill68
My question is are you getting a temp reading in bios of the unlocked fourth core?
the fourth core is usually a defective core so unlocking them is sometimes problematic
I heard Core temp is meaningless since you will always have one core warmer than the other. If you go by your overall CPU temp you will be fine.As long as you keep you CPU temp below 60c and another thing. I heard once you unlock there is no way of knowing your individual core temp because the sensor is disabled. Once you lock it back up the sensor goes back to normal.
My bad? I said Core Temp but really meant CPU Temp. Yes, you can get current CPU Temp from Bios but that does me no good when running Prime95 and would like to see what the CPU Temp is doing. After unlocking a disabled core, no software that I have found will read the CPU Temp. not AMD Overdrive, SpeedFan or Core Temp, etc. I do set CPU Warning Temp in Bios to 60C to warn me if it goes over. AMD says the Max Temp is 71C but I like to stay away from anything over 60C.
It?s a misnomer that ALL of the locked out cores are defective. I get about 4 out of 6 that have no problems. The ones that have a bad core, I just lock it out because I didn?t order it expecting to have a quad. I know, it?s a crap shoot but when you buy a X2 555 or X3 720 expecting to get a duo or tri and end up with a quad with a 6MB L3 cache and OC?s like a dream, Happy Birthday!
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27. August 2010 @ 20:11 |
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Quote: (By 2oldGeek)My bad? I said Core Temp but really meant CPU Temp. Yes, you can get current CPU Temp from Bios but that does me no good when running Prime95 and would like to see what the CPU Temp is doing. After unlocking a disabled core, no software that I have found will read the CPU Temp. not AMD Overdrive, SpeedFan or Core Temp, etc. I do set CPU Warning Temp in Bios to 60C to warn me if it goes over. AMD says the Max Temp is 71C but I like to stay away from anything over 60C.
2oldGeek,
On my AMD, turning on the ACC only disables the core temps (they read 0), but not the CPU temp. I have a 955BE/C3 on a Gigabyte MA790X-UD4H motherboard @3.8GHz that will maybe get to 53C running Prime95, 4 cores @100%. As Sam said, if the CPU temp is showing you can pretty well go by that. My CPU Temp is always lower than the cores, anyway! I'm reading that with Everest 5.30, and the CPU temp shows in the taskbar.
Best Regards,
Russ
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27. August 2010 @ 21:06 |
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theonejrs,
In order to unlock these little jewels, ACC is set to Auto and EC Firmware mode to Hybrid. As far as I can guess therein lies the problem. Over the past year and half I have unlocked (12) 720's and (6) 555's. Three of the 720's and one of the 555's didn't unlock stable. I have tried a lot of software to monitor CPU temps but no luck at all. Have never tried Everest, will give it a try.
Thanks,
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27. August 2010 @ 22:16 |
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Quote: 2oldGeek
I have tried a lot of software to monitor CPU temps but no luck at all. Have never tried Everest, will give it a try.
I have learned that Everest in my case reads backwards on my AM3 motherboards and reads correct on a AM3/AM2+/AM2 Motherboards. I had that problem with this first AMD Build. I have now and...I sent my board back just because of that reason The Temp was'nt reading right on the CPU so the motherboard & CPU Temps are Flip/Floped around average idle 33c stress is 52c Me & Russ have the same setup in a sense his board is the 790X-UD4P that's a (AM3/AM2+/AM2) board his cpu (955BE)C3 DDR2 memory mines a 790XT-UD4P whichis a (AM3)my CPU is (965BE)C3 DDR3 his Everest temps read correct mine don't. I believe that's a problem that Everest Needs to Address about the AM3 boards are test results are about even between the 2 boards as you can see at above Posts we done...only thing...I don't like is the memory..I picked for this build 1333mhz should got 1600mhz instead that's on order..Lol
Quote: I know, it?s a crap shoot but when you buy a X2 555 or X3 720 expecting to get a duo or tri and end up with a quad with a 6MB L3 cache and OC?s like a dream, Happy Birthday!
I know it's a challenge to get those extra cores to open and have them run stable. I haven ran across that path yet but...I believe it's worth the award after words to see done and that yo did it...Thanks for the Birthday Wishes
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Aight Did Batman Begins 7.14Gb Full Disc 2 Passes from Hard Drive 1TB Fals after Tweaks done in Bios...
[23:21:56] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 4 minutes.
Done.
[23:21:56] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 24 min.
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Yeah I think we mentioned that before will, it happens on lots of Intel boards as well.
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Quote: bigwill68
I know it's a challenge to get those extra cores to open and have them run stable. I haven ran across that path yet but...I believe it's worth the award after words to see done and that yo did it...Thanks for the Birthday Wishes
I LOVE a challenge! Built my first mainframe computer using an Intel 8008 in 1973. My first commercial PC was a TRS80 model I, 1977, with a Z80 CPU running @ 1.44 MegaHertz and 16 KiloBytes of ram lol.
A week after I got it, I had it all over my workbench cutting traces and stacking chips on the Mobo so I could get Lowercase type out of it (it only came with Caps.)?. What memories, memories?.Stop That, 2OG.
Anyway, thanks for the info on Everest,Will, I?ll put it to use as soon as I can..
Ever since I have been unlocking these disabled cores, I have never been able to monitor the CPU Temp. And the cool n quite is disabled. Even though they are great overclockers (have had some of them to 4GHZ), I just OC them to the limit on auto voltage. That way I don?t need an expensive FHS, PSU or Mobo. I do a lot of ?Budget builds? and give them more than they bargained for?
I just put in an order to Newegg for an open box Biostar A785G3. It has NB 785G and SB710 chipsets so will unlock a 720 or 555 for $37.99 + 6.98 Shipping. I?ll make a little off that one and give them a lot more computer for the money?? Mobo+CPU+FHS about $150 / PhII 965BE = $169.95 Hellooooo?
Thanks guys, AMD forever!
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I've managed to install Win7 in Dual boot with XP, and it all works correctly. I do have to say that I am disappointed with the playback of DVDs with it though. Not near as good a picture as on XP. I guess if M$ does that it will increase the sales of 1080p monitors! LOL!! I've installed the latest video drivers from nVidia, so it all should work well, but .....
My only real complaint is it can be so frustrating to do simple things, like getting the S/PDIF audio to work. I googled the problem and came up with a ton of useless suggestions. The wind up was that you can't have the analog plugged into the computer, or neither the Coax or Optical audio work. I only found that out by accident, I unplugged it and the sound came on. Plugged it back in again and it vanished. XP lets you use all three!
Another thing I don't like is the lack of an active icon for the internet/network activity. I've tried a couple of programs from the internet that installs an icon like XP has, but it only works the first time you use it. After that it never worked again. You also can't set the folders or drives the way I like them. I prefer icons (shut up Rick), and have all of mine set to 7 icons wide. I prefer to scroll up and down, not sideways. The only good thing I see with them is if you search alphabetically, it does move the each letter keyed to the top of the window. I'll get used to it, and at least it's installed, authenticated and registered to me! I'm sure 6 months from now, that I'll like it a lot better.
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Originally posted by theonejrs: I've managed to install Win7 in Dual boot with XP, and it all works correctly. I do have to say that I am disappointed with the playback of DVDs with it though. Not near as good a picture as on XP. I guess if M$ does that it will increase the sales of 1080p monitors! LOL!! I've installed the latest video drivers from nVidia, so it all should work well, but .....
My only real complaint is it can be so frustrating to do simple things, like getting the S/PDIF audio to work. I googled the problem and came up with a ton of useless suggestions. The wind up was that you can't have the analog plugged into the computer, or neither the Coax or Optical audio work. I only found that out by accident, I unplugged it and the sound came on. Plugged it back in again and it vanished. XP lets you use all three!
Another thing I don't like is the lack of an active icon for the internet/network activity. I've tried a couple of programs from the internet that installs an icon like XP has, but it only works the first time you use it. After that it never worked again. You also can't set the folders or drives the way I like them. I prefer icons (shut up Rick), and have all of mine set to 7 icons wide. I prefer to scroll up and down, not sideways. The only good thing I see with them is if you search alphabetically, it does move the each letter keyed to the top of the window. I'll get used to it, and at least it's installed, authenticated and registered to me! I'm sure 6 months from now, that I'll like it a lot better.
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I don't know about liking it better as time goes on, getting more use to it maybe but not liking it.
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Now you know as well as I do it isn't the OS that's at fault with DVD playback quality :P
That statement about only being able to use optical/digital I don't believe is true. Just disable the respective part of the sound card you're not currently using. Only takes a few clicks.
Active icon for network activity is a waste of time in modern times, as so many programs use network/internet it'd basically have no purpose. If you want that sort of info open the task manager and go to networking, view the graph. Does the same job but in much more detail.
Using icons instead of List view is easy, just click the views button (left one of the three buttons beneath the search box).
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29. August 2010 @ 06:27 |
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for network monitoring, try this, it works perfectly in Win7 ~ Netmeter I've been using it since Victorian times, it even collects/displays Daily, Weekly & Monthly totals, plus it calculates Projected totals
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