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31. July 2010 @ 10:56 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
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Deadrum33,
I would recommend one of these, then.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...pk=ma785gm-us2h
It can handle any modern AMD CPU, from AM2 through AM2+ and AM3. It's about as good as it gets in the Bang for the Buck category. 785G NB, 710 SB. 5 internal Sata 3.0 ports, and one eSata on the rear. HD 4200 Graphics, with HDMI, DVI and VGA.
Best Regards,
Russ
I've eyeballed that, especially liking the micro aspect for a machine I want to hide inside some office furniture.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking buying AM3 for a board that only supports ddr2 is overkill...just trying to narrow my search for CPU, agreeing the board RUSS linked is good enough a the right price
Deadrum33,
I just finished a build for a friend in Massachusetts, a 7850 2.8GHz Kuma on that same board. It's going to UPS on Monday! The real beauty of the board is it's ability to use socket AM2, AM2+, and AM3. The heft of the board will surprise you! At present, given the cost of Cas 6&7 DDR3, it's not yet worth the expense of going DDR3 all the way, since the 790TX/DDR3 barely beats out the 790X/DDR2, at the same memory speed! L3 Cache performance is much better with DDR2, at a much lower latency! See my posts to Bigwill, above!
Russ
i have used that CPU in a previous build when that chip cost 30 or so dollars more. I was pleased at the time and I have not had any complaints from the client I built it for. Funny you recommend it, I was thinking about buying it but like the mobo, I wanted to throw it out there and ask about components instead of blindly buying the exact same thing every time without listening to alternatives.
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31. July 2010 @ 11:43 |
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5. August 2010 @ 00:22 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
I'm trying to help some one get their ram working properly on their new build but I'm not familiar with amd at all. Is all you need to do is adjust the multiplier and voltage or am I missing some extra step?
Same problem with new ram so I'm assuming something in the bios isn't set right. The MB is a MSI 890FXA-GD70 so there shouldn't be any problem. Any tips on what they might not be doing are appreciated.
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7. August 2010 @ 09:43 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Not meaning to double post but while looking at a suitable PSU I came across this deal for a nice 400W corsair http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008
I don't normally bother with the rebates but if I could multiply the cash back instead of limited to the 1 per household rule, I'd buy 5 at this price.
It's funny, if I went into the PC business [I'd like to, may well do when I finish my degree] I'd probably buy a dozen of those to use for various machines and repairs, amazing units.
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7. August 2010 @ 10:18 |
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Thanks for reply SAM, i started to think I scared everyone off by posting more than 2x bi-annually (no offence MAW, our posts weren't related)...In fact I am loading the version of win7 x64 the university gave me on the PC I recently posted questions about using that PSU. I still have 2 more that I purchased when it was almost as cheap w/o fussing about a rebate a few months ago.
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It's funny, if I went into the PC business [I'd like to, may well do when I finish my degree
Sam,
There's money to be made in the PC Business. I just shipped that Massachusetts build off. It cost her $600 Plus $115 for XP-Pro SP/2, including shipping!
785GM-US2H motherboard, 7850 Kuma 2.8 GHz Dual Core, Freezer 64, 1x2GB GSkill DDR2 1066 cas 5, 250GB WD, Asus DVD Burner, card reader, and a Cooler Master Elite case w/420w PSU. All she does with a computer is surf the net, play on Pogo, and talk to people. It's a pretty good step up from the 5-6 year old HP single core she has now. Now she get's better HD audio and HD 4200 Graphics, and she can plug it right into their TV!
I made enough at that price with the rebates ($55), to buy my 955 and put 4GB of DDR2 800 memory in Oxi, and she get's a much better computer than she could buy for the same money. Locally, it would have run $550. You could buy a cheaper computer, but you wouldn't have something as good, or be as likely to last for the next 5 years.
Like I say, there's money to be made building and selling computers.
Russ
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7. August 2010 @ 10:47 |
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Yeah, the main thing that's stopping me at the moment is lack of startup capital, and lack of a permanent base. Switching locations between home and university leaves me ill-placed to offer some sort of after-sales support.
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7. August 2010 @ 16:25 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Bigwill,
Your CPU frequency is 100MHz higher than mine. Your DDR3 8-8-8-21 vs my DDR2 5-5-5-15, are both at 1072MHz. My DDR2 eats those GSkills alive in Latency, Memory performance, L3 Cache performance, and L3 Cache latency. They are close enough to the Hyperx latency that I won't be hurrying to the store to buy DDR3 and a new motherboard anytime in the near future! LOL!!
If I was doing the same build today, I'm not so sure I still wouldn't go with DDR2. Then again I might at this time opt for the 790XT and DDR3. Since there still isn't much that utilizes Sata6 or USB3, I just don't see that much of an advantage, especially since I have a great motherboard to begin with. If I was buying everything new, I'd have to think seriously about it though.
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Your CPU frequency is 100MHz higher than mine. Your DDR3 8-8-8-21 vs my DDR2 5-5-5-15, are both at 1072MHz.
Ok dropped it 100mhz now at 3826Ghz had the set memory clock at x5.33 to run 1066 like you for a cpu frequency of 3.9ghz underclocked the sticks bumped back to x6.66 to run 1333mhz now at 1342mhz tighten the timing to 7-7-7-20 Command Rate 1 (CR1)the memory which. I have right here below in the AMD Rig...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231189
runs at 9-9-9-24 as soon as you plug it in the dimms so.I tightened it even more to 7-7-7-20 at 1.65v. Russ...I notice your at CR2 changed that to CR1 , 1T means it takes 1 clock cycle to find a memory bank, vs. 2T where it takes 2 clock cycles to find the memory bank.and your Cpu stepping is Blank on our everest memory benchmark why is that?Mine is showing RB-C3 Yours should to...
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My DDR2 eats those GSkills alive
Not anymore after some tuning my friend.I'll stay at 3.8ghz for now until the Kington HyperX's 1600mhz roll in for 3.9ghz again. i got these G.Skills tighten under factory specs stated and gonna memtest them for results.I haven had the amd rig up a running for alittle over a week now sense july 29th.I was frustrated with everthing not working well with this ddr3, 1333mhz g.skill sticks...but it worked out so far.I guess
later on thinking about paring these two together for a $130 bucks from micro center with tax $138.45 out the door...what you thing Russ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846
Done out of Here!
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7. August 2010 @ 19:37 |
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none taken Deadrum; I have one of those psu too, wish I payed that price though lol.
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7. August 2010 @ 19:54 |
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Ahh yes. I bought two of the 400W corsairs. All around excellent PSU. Not too expensive, and delivers very agreeable performance. One of my mothers computers has one, and my brothers computer has one. Not one hiccup :D I also own the 550W and HX750. Excellent company xD
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7. August 2010 @ 21:31 |
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(Bigwill68)Not anymore after some tuning my friend.I'll stay at 3.8ghz for now until the Kington HyperX's 1600mhz roll in for 3.9ghz again. i got these G.Skills tighten under factory specs stated and gonna memtest them for results.I haven had the amd rig up a running for alittle over a week now sense july 29th.I was frustrated with everthing not working well with this ddr3, 1333mhz g.skill sticks...but it worked out so far.I guess
later on thinking about paring these two together for a $130 bucks from micro center with tax $138.45 out the door...what you thing Russ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846
Will,
My point was that the performance you gain from tweaking the memory, is minimal at best. The question is, is it worth the money to upgrade from what I have now, to what you have? I don't think so!
I just upgraded to the latest bios (F10a), but remember, I'm running Everest 5.30, and I think your Everest is newer. It's funny, CPUZ sees the stepping, but Everest doesn't!
As far as the MB & CPU goes, the motherboard is great, but I would opt for The phenom II x3 720 @2.8GHz. With 3 cores guaranteed, It's faster than the 3.2GHz Callisto with two cores. There's also no guarantee that you will be able to unlock any cores on the Phenom II xII, or overclock them if you do. The x3 720 Deneb is the better chip by far! I know two people who bought the 720, and both unlocked the 4th core, and are running at 3.8GHz.
I like these quotes from the newegg reviews,
"$100 Dual Core"? "What the heck was I thinking"?
"If you get lucky and yours unlocks, you'll have a great value. If not, you're stuck with an over priced dual. :-("
I also read all 288 reviews, and a good number of people were unable to unlock the two cores, or get them to run stable if they did! With three cores guaranteed, the 720 is the better buy for the same money!
Best Regards,
Russ
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9. August 2010 @ 07:33 |
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Need a little help here!
I just installed Win 7 Home basic. All the drivers installed, but I can't get either the Coax or the optical sound to work, only the analog. Any ideas?
T.I.A.
Russ
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9. August 2010 @ 09:22 |
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Go to the control panel and switch your default sound device to digital.
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9. August 2010 @ 10:34 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Go to the control panel and switch your default sound device to digital.
Estuansis,
Thanks Man! I'll eventually be using Win7 in my computer, as it's all activated, so I can re-install it any time I want to. Sadly, you don't get the option of XP Mode with Home Basic, but it's still easier to navigate than Premier or or the Ultimate versions. I wish they would bring back "Burning at the stake", as I would nominate the idiot that laid out the Control Panel, as a candidate for it. Want to see a classic case of abject stupidity, just check out the control panel in classic mode, with all the unfamiliar names and you will understand! The Execs are even stupider, as they OK'd and authorized it! 15+ years of familiarity, thrown under a bus for no good reason! You know what Snoopy says! If you can't dazzle them with Brilliance, Baffle them with BS!
Thanks again,
Russ
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9. August 2010 @ 11:20 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by Estuansis:
Go to the control panel and switch your default sound device to digital.
Estuansis,
Thanks Man! I'll eventually be using Win7 in my computer, as it's all activated, so I can re-install it any time I want to. Sadly, you don't get the option of XP Mode with Home Basic, but it's still easier to navigate than Premier or or the Ultimate versions. I wish they would bring back "Burning at the stake", as I would nominate the idiot that laid out the Control Panel, as a candidate for it. Want to see a classic case of abject stupidity, just check out the control panel in classic mode, with all the unfamiliar names and you will understand! The Execs are even stupider, as they OK'd and authorized it! 15+ years of familiarity, thrown under a bus for no good reason! You know what Snoopy says! If you can't dazzle them with Brilliance, Baffle them with BS!
Thanks again,
Russ
I agree with the layout being cumbersome, but have had no problem finding things by simply typing a few letters into the search bar and it usually works a treat. Also I've tried many different programs and have only found 1 that had a bug in it keeping things from working. XP MODE is overrated, a resource hog and remember there is "compatibility mode".
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9. August 2010 @ 11:21 |
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dunno, I mean I prefer the new layout, once you switch the view to large or small icons, than its just like classic.
thing is us people who like to tinker in the control panel are a very minor percentage, where as MOST people if they do go to the control panel want something very very easy to navigate.
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
dunno, I mean I prefer the new layout, once you switch the view to large or small icons, than its just like classic.
thing is us people who like to tinker in the control panel are a very minor percentage, where as MOST people if they do go to the control panel want something very very easy to navigate.
Shaff,
Deadrum33 was talking about the Control Panel, same as me. I got the Home Basic because I didn't want all the excess crap that goes with the Premier and Ultimate versions. I just change to small icons, copy My Computer and My Documents to the desktop, and it's just like XP. I can't say that I'm very happy with the graphics though. I installed the latest Win7 drivers for the 7300GS, but my video still doesn't look anywhere near as good as it does with the same card and XP-Pro. I'm sure when I get my 9500GT back, it will be better.
As far as the control panel goes, it's the main reason that XP is still with us and will be for another 4 years. There's far too many unnecessary Icons that were well taken care of in XP with far less difficulty, and a great many less icons. Had they left it alone, people would never have raised such a stink about wanting XP, and it would have died a nice peaceful death! What M$ did to the Control Panel with vista and Win7 was stupid, counterproductive and totally unnecessary. Some things do get designed properly, and should be left alone. The Windows Control Panel was one of them!
Russ
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9. August 2010 @ 13:29 |
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I fully agree with that. There are a lot of functions that were just plain easier in XP because the method itself was simpler. But like others have said I find the search bar very effective if I'm lost.
As far as sound goes, just remember that Vista and 7 differ from XP because of the new universal sound engine. No matter what you do with the sound, it has to pass through the Windows engine. It's actually to the point where sound quality is different between 7 and XP. This is mostly a good thing though because it makes switching output and configuring surround setups and whatnot much simpler. It also has a software noise filter built in which has a great benefit for integrated sound.
As far as IQ goes I don't know what to say. Windows 7 does have a much different way for calculating DPI so everything ends up being a different size anyway. I would imagine a more modern card such as said 9500GT would be much better suited to IQ intensive tasks.
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9. August 2010 @ 13:36 |
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To be fair, XP was exactly the same in that regard. The XP not-classic mode control panel was just the same.
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9. August 2010 @ 19:22 |
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I plan on running windows 7 on my new AMD build which so far includes:
Asus M4A89GTD PRO series Mobo
ATI 5870 HD GPU
AMD 6 core processor
12 GB Corsair Dominator RAM
I recently purchased the first 4 GB of RAM from Microcenter and ended up deciding on the cheapest set (2 x 2GB for $150). It went through the post test fine (or so I'm told, I honestly have no idea if they actually tested anything in that back room...) but I later realized that on the fron of the package it says that it supports inteli7 dual channel processors, I then paged through the mobo's user guide and found that it was not under the list of qualified vendors list. The RAM is the CMX4GX3M2A1600C7 xms3 series and has a timing of 7-8-7-20 which is so far not found amongst any other approved RAM packages seen in the user guide. I'm worried that they lied to me about the post test and that, in fact, this type of RAM is not compatible with my motherboard.
Could anyone tell me whether this memory is going to work or not and furthermore what kind of memory I should buy to go from 4GB to 12 or 14 GB?
new egg page for memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...MX4GX3M2A1600C7
motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as..._-13-131-633-_-
Sorry about edit, I had double posted the question.
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9. August 2010 @ 19:47 |
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I wouldn't buy the Asus board, Asus stuff is pretty low quality and will likely fail prematurely. Are you going to use the 6-core CPU? Most people don't really use any more than four cores of a CPU properly, so you may be better of with a Phenom II X4 or an Intel Core i5. The RAM you've chosen is compatible with any decent (e.g. Gigabyte, Biostar, MSI) board for either i5s or Phenom IIs. AMDs do not require 'AMD compatible memory' - Intels however do require i5/i7 compatible memory, this is why that is printed on the box.
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9. August 2010 @ 20:03 |
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Thanks for the advice but unfortunately it's a bit late, I bought the parts on Friday. D'oh!
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9. August 2010 @ 20:31 |
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If it's unused you should be able to return it.
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Well, I got my replacement MSI GDDR3 9500GT today, and it worked fine for about half the day. It has the same problem as the one I sent in for repair or replacement! The guy kept asking me about the Drivers for it, and I kept explaining that the anomaly only happens at the Post. There is no software involved at the post! Basically, there's little sparkling dots underneath the text of the post. You have to Ctrl-Alt-Del a few times until it doesn't have the anomaly, and it will work fine as long as you don't turn the computer off. Even then it may work for days without a problem. MSI is replacing it, on their dime, and are having UPS pick it up from me! Hopefully, they will check the new one out thoroughly before they ship it to me! LOL!!
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12. August 2010 @ 16:38 |
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Heh, two RMAs for the same product. Sounds familiar!
but for the fact that my card was £840, not $60 :P
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