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mace71299
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24. July 2005 @ 19:58 |
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VJbob,
AS I understand it you will always get free updates after donating to dvd-rb.This is a great program that should cost us all a lot more and delivers incredible results.I donated and plan to again since they are not demanding money to try their product they only ask.The money we donate allowes them to continue to develope their product to our benefit.That is just my opinion.
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VJbob
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25. July 2005 @ 13:07 |
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you're right I know. I'll donate sometime this week. I just thought it would be cool if 'jdobbs' responded to one of my questions, just so I can say, " yeah I talked with jdobbs about how to improve DVD-RB" LOL =P
Whoa there is a whole webpage for DVD-RB. Didn't know that before. Just donated $25. Maybe my menu locks suggestion will be acknowledged now. [crosses fingers]
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Gnomex
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25. July 2005 @ 15:43 |
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Brobear.
I should have taken the time to clean the DVD before the rip. Well, for that lack of foresight it looks like DVD-RB will be back up and running once again.
Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
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25. July 2005 @ 16:51 |
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VJbob
jdobbs is a busy bee but if you hang around long enough he'll make an appearance. I seem to recall pissing him off the first time I met him but he still communicates with me from time to time.
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Have we met before?
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jdobbs
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25. July 2005 @ 17:55 |
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@VJbob
I'm always lurking here.... but Sophocles and Brobear are really quick with answers. Besides, my posts are never as interesting...
You did ask though if I was thinking of "unlocking" the menus. I'm looking at adding an option to remove Prohibited User Operations. But I have to be careful when I do -- because it can sometimes confuse the player to respond to an unexpected event.
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"pissed off"... me??? Now that really pisses me off! ;)
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jdobbs
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25. July 2005 @ 17:55 |
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[Hmm.. a repeated message???? -- deleted]
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25. July 2005 @ 20:19 |
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Here's the log from my last backup useing DVD-RB/CCE. This folder was 6.49 GB after editing with DVDRemake. I think I'm going to quit useing UnDot filter since I really can't see any improvement and it slows down encoding.
[20:37:02] One Click encoding activated...
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[20:37:03] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE Basic 2.70.1.4 encoder selected.
- AVS Filters are enabled.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 2,594,894 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 168,191 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 362,062 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 37,055 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 194,178 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 22,530 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 60,572 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 5,210 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 27,252 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 3,160 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 59.0%
- Overall bitrate : 2,767Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,326,228KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 2.8%
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,552/600/2,767 Kbs
[20:39:57] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 2 minutes.
[20:39:57] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 5
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 6
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 7
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 8
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 9
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 10
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 14
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 15
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_07 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_07 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_08 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_08 segment 1
[22:48:59] Phase II ENCODING completed in 129 minutes.
[22:49:00] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 1 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 1 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 1 CELLID 5
- Rebuilding seg 5 VOBID 1 CELLID 6
- Rebuilding seg 6 VOBID 1 CELLID 7
- Rebuilding seg 7 VOBID 1 CELLID 8
- Rebuilding seg 8 VOBID 1 CELLID 9
- Rebuilding seg 9 VOBID 1 CELLID 10
- Rebuilding seg 10 VOBID 1 CELLID 11
- Rebuilding seg 11 VOBID 1 CELLID 12
- Rebuilding seg 12 VOBID 1 CELLID 13
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- Rebuilding seg 14 VOBID 1 CELLID 15
- Rebuilding seg 15 VOBID 1 CELLID 16
- Rebuilding seg 16 VOBID 1 CELLID 17
- Rebuilding seg 17 VOBID 1 CELLID 18
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_02
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_03
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_07
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_07_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_08
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_08_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
Correcting VTS Sectors...
[22:58:42] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 9 minutes.
Done.
[22:58:42] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 141 min.
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25. July 2005 @ 21:06 |
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A page or two ago there was mention of MS Run Time errors. I thought that I would report my recent experience with one. Over the weekend I was redoing Platoon, and got the #6 error w/RB v88 & w/W2k. I hadn't gotten a run time error for some time, so I thought I would try to run the files on a second computer I have that has the same CPU and motherboard...and v88 (I typically use this computer for non-video work). Well, all went fine as it usually does on the other video computer.
I don't have an astounding conclusion to offer here...just to confirm that the error is elusive, and IMO, is most likely not related to RB.
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brobear
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25. July 2005 @ 22:46 |
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VJbob
Both DVD Decrypter and AnyDVD have provisions for eliminating PUOs. AnyDVD has a setting in Navigation to eliminate trailers and go direct to the menu. Since you rip the source for use with RB, why not take care of those pesky PUOs in that step?
Gnomex
Glad it was just one of those simple oversights. The kids have stuck enough discs in the player while chowing down on KFC and pizza to have me checking discs first thing. Those big greasy thumbprints play havoc on the optical head's ability to read.
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jdobbs
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26. July 2005 @ 04:10 |
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A page or two ago there was mention of MS Run Time errors. I thought that I would report my recent experience with one. Over the weekend I was redoing Platoon, and got the #6 error w/RB v88 & w/W2k. I hadn't gotten a run time error for some time, so I thought I would try to run the files on a second computer I have that has the same CPU and motherboard...and v88 (I typically use this computer for non-video work). Well, all went fine as it usually does on the other video computer.
v0.91
- Corrected "Runtime Error 6" during REBUILD on
sources that have very large TMAP tables in
the IFO file.
v0.89
- Fixed "Runtime Error 6" error that could occur
in the ENCODE phase when attempting to use
SLIDESHOW mode on the last segment of a stream.
- Corrected an error in REBUILD that could result
in a "Runtime Error 6, Overflow" when still
rebuilding segments selected as SLIDESHOW.
You really need to upgrade as the versions come out. As you'd expect while in beta, there are lots of errors that get corrected with every version.
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26. July 2005 @ 05:59 |
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@Doc409
Version .88 is quite a ways back. I've really enjoyed using Version1.00X. I've been doing "movies and menus only (Blank extras) backups." It allows one to save space and keep more than one audio track and still be able to access audio setup.
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@jdobbs and Sophocles
Thanks for the suggestions. Things have been quite busy lately and I've fallen behind on the updates. Little did I know how much!
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hiemster8
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26. July 2005 @ 18:07 |
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@JDOBBS,
Hello all, I just read the memo about becoming a DVD REBUILDER charter member is it to late? I was a VIP. Please let me know as I love your product and I use it daily. It is a great product and I loved looking fowared to checking my E-mail for your new builds. Thanks Hiem.
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jdobbs
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27. July 2005 @ 04:53 |
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If you are already a VIP -- you ARE a charter member!
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dmt0
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27. July 2005 @ 05:25 |
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brobear
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27. July 2005 @ 12:39 |
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Luckily it only happens on a few movies, but it does happen for some reason.
- Possible dropped frame(s) noted in this segment, continuing...
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Possible dropped frame(s) noted in this segment, continuing...
I had similar entries in my log. May be a relation there. Basic will drop things from source files and SP will retain them.
I've only noticed significant problems on a couple of movies. I don't pay much attention to small differences of a few hundredths of a GB. The times I've checked on comparisons, the SP has done a better job of sizing the video, even if in small increments. As I noted though, when it comes to a major portion of the disc capacity, I find it troublesome. Also, it is directly attributable to the difference in SP and Basic. I've run the check more than once. The problem is, for a retail version of SP, one needs to be rich.
If you have a chance, do a comparison on the problem DVD you were doing and use the SP trial as well as the Basic. Use the same settings, just change the encoder. SP will have the logo on the video output, but it will tell you if the problem is confined to the Basic encoder. Inserting the target size command had no effect when I tried it with Basic, but the SP encoder sized the files up to the 4GB range without the command.
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hiemster8
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27. July 2005 @ 13:33 |
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Thank goodness. All is well again. :)
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dmt0
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27. July 2005 @ 14:58 |
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Woooh, that would require me to free up some hard disk space. Let's see what happens when you install CCE 2.70.
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brobear
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27. July 2005 @ 16:37 |
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You probably won't see any significant change, if the problem is only with a certain few DVDs. Now if it was across the board, then a clean install might be in order. I don't see why you would have to free any significant amout of space on your PC. Not much more than what you currently have is needed. All you need to add is the SP trial. You use the same RB setup you currently have. Just add the encoder path to the SP Trial in Setup. Then do the trial on the problem movie with the Basic as you normally would. Save the log. Then delete the other files. Reset RB to use the SP Trial, using the same settings in RB and just changing the encoder selection. Other than the small amount of space to store the SP trial, you don't use any more space than you already have. I updated from the 2.69 to the 2.70 and there was absolutely no difference with RB.
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VJbob
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29. July 2005 @ 17:10 |
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ok I just read the advanced DVD-RB to try and learn about filters and if they are useful for multi-episodic DVDs however a lot of it doesn't make much sense to me and it sounds like some filters can drastically alter your DVD. I was thinking of using 'undot' and 'deen' filters to try one time but I'm not sure what to be looking for in the final product.
About the menu locks, If I run my output folder with DVDShrink and burn with that app will I lose any quality from originally encoding with DVD-RB if I run it through both programs? Just a thought.
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29. July 2005 @ 18:00 |
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VJbob
Don't use filters unless you are having problems with a particular type of video noise on a particular movie (original), otherwise just use the default settings. Filters shouldn't be needed unless there are problems with the originals and usually the only problems in such cases are compression related.
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29. July 2005 @ 18:41 |
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VJbob I am not sure how well undot and deen will do with episodic dvd's but i have been reading alot about filters here at afterdawn as well as other forums.I tried undot and deen with bruce almighty and road to perdition and tried it without the filters out of curiosity and saw no real difference with the final dvd's.I did read that with episodic dvd's such as star trek they hurt more than help the finished product.As far as DVD Shrink goes with dvd-rb i only use DVD Shrink to edit the movie to reauthor it so i can get just the movie without the extra junk.I set shrink to reauthor and no compression and save it to the hard drive.then i use dvd-rb to process and Nero to burn it.I hope i have been at least a little help.
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29. July 2005 @ 19:13 |
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What exactly is video noise?I understand that in star trek episodic dvd's the transporter scenes could be affected by using these filters.I would appreciate your opionion an a regular movie using dvd-rb with HC encoder should I use undot and deen?OR anyones opionion that would like to help.thankyou.
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Video "noise" is the little spots and lines that work their way into videos. It was more prevalent with the older videos that were copied and recopied on film. I was watching a Glenn Ford "oldie" last night and it was ate up with it. As for those filters, they're for repairing problems. If you don't see a problem on the original, then the filters will cause more problems than they will do good. If nothing else, it just adds needless processing time. As for the transporter effect on Star Trek, that special effect resembled a massive amount of video "noise", so I can see why the filters would mess with it.
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If I run my output folder with DVDShrink and burn with that app will I lose any quality from originally encoding with DVD-RB if I run it through both programs?
First of all, Shrink doesn't burn. Yes there will be some changes from the RB output, softening of the video output. Often not very noticable, but there. I believe Sophocles ran into that at one point and brought it to my attention.
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brobear
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29. July 2005 @ 20:34 |
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Just so you know what these filters are about, here's a couple of common definitions.
Deen is a set of assembly-optimised denoisers,
like various 3d and 2d convolutions.
requires a iSSE capable cpu.
UnDot is a simple median filter for removing dots, that is stray orphan pixels and mosquito noise. It basicly just clips each pixel value to stay within min and max of its eight surrounding neighbors.
Just from the definitions it should be obvious these filters might mess with "Beam me up Scotty" effects (all those swirling and jumping little spots). Unless you're doing episodes of old movies (or older movies for that matter), you probably won't need these filters. The newer digital mastering and digital reproduction eliminates a lot of the "noise" problems. No problem on the source, no need for a filter. Also, a bunch of older special effects were done with film manipulation and that could lead to some filter problems one doesn't want. So, be careful when using the filters and know what they're for and how they work before using.
Hmmm... Wonder what would happen to the ray blasts from the Martian ships in the original War Of The Worlds using undot and deen?
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