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Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.
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25. July 2004 @ 06:10 |
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We may have drifted off topic a little, or atleat we give that appearnce with all the sigs.
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We'll have to start a new thread to deliver our our recipes for success to the other memebers of the forum.
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25. July 2004 @ 08:54 |
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Sophocles ... what I was trying to get at is (1) what DVD-R forum group - advanced or newbie - would host the thread, and (2) and would/could the thread be titled in such a way ... along with instructions included on the initial post ... that the thread is for posting fixes, and not for troubleshooting problems?
Another thought is that this initial thread can always be changed by the initiator, and a running list of fixes could be added one by one. It would go something like this:
"Repository of Problems and Fixes for ....."
1st post: The purpose of this thread is to list fixes for the various problesm encountered when using...
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List of Problems and Fixes:
1. #0003/#0004 buffer overflow errors
2. Nero error messages
3. etc.
OR,
another approach would be to just list the threads (links) to the various problems with the date discussed within the thread.
If the first approach is used, it would require a "moderator" of the thread ... someone who knew they were going to be around for awhile.
Any thoughts if any of these approaches would work? And, should we start another thread just to discuss this?
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25. July 2004 @ 09:51 |
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It sounds to me as though such a thread aimed at trouble shooting DVD-RB/CCE difficulties would be of tremendous value to a newbie. We should review the available threads to insure that we aren?t creating a thread that is already available. In regards to trouble shooting DVD-RB/CCE I don?t think that there is one at this time. I wouldn?t include Nero into such a thread because it could muddy the waters and there are plenty of other threads that are Nero focused
The outline of the first post could include links to other threads that will redirect traffic to them so that the trouble shooting threads stay narrowly focused. It would be easier for individuals such as Vurbal and jdobbs to drop in a clear up and issues with DVD-RB if they don?t have to wade through unrelated information.
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25. July 2004 @ 13:16 |
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25. July 2004 @ 13:32 |
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25. July 2004 @ 14:45 |
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In addition to new Shrink we have a new Rebuilder.56 and Remake 2.3.4 out.
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25. July 2004 @ 14:51 |
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Wow, great news! :)
I'll give Rebuilder another try when I'm back from abroad. ;)
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25. July 2004 @ 14:54 |
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OK, but you have to give us all a souvenir when you return.
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25. July 2004 @ 15:13 |
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Too much new stuff...
I haven't used DVDRemake at all, there really aren't that many instances with angles, etc.
I don't think I need to do Daredevil...Your reviews of the movie are enough for me.
My Rebuilder/CCE is working so well, I'm afraid to make any changes at all. Does the update of Rebuilder add any features? I am mostly interested in just making a backup of the movie. I couldn't care less about comments, alternate endings and other "extra's". That is the only drawback I see with Rebuilder/CCE.
I know there is DVD2DVDR/CCE out there for this but I am just too happy with what I have and too lazy anyway.
I have used the new SHRINK but haven't yet had a chance to watch the copy. Exciting.
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25. July 2004 @ 15:30 |
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Sorry about the too much stuff, I sometimes feel that way too. Sometimes I'm not sure why we keep pushing at the outer edge of the envelope, but we do and we teach each other what we've learned along the way.
I've used DVD2DVD-R which is a movie only backup system and I'd like that option with DVD-RB. It worked just fine but DVD-RB is an all around better solution and easier to use.
Agreed there aren't many multi angled/interleaved movies to really make it a concern for some but there are extras that many of us find annoying.
I dislike FBI splash screens and unwanted movie trailers, and even though one can skip through them they also make the file larger which means more compression. Most importantly however is curiosity and as long as there's that I'll keep pushing forward.
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25. July 2004 @ 16:04 |
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Hi, Sophocles. Thanks for the summation. I agree. If I was in any way a logical guy, I would be checking the stock market or paying my bills instead of doing this. We better have some fun.
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25. July 2004 @ 16:29 |
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Maybe, that's what I call fun sometimes, but most of the time I'm just curious. Another curiosity is plagued by the fact that I can't afford the hardware that it would take to continuously keep my system up to date. So I stretch myself between the two as a personal self-imposed compromise. Just keep dropping by when you want to visit or hang for a while you're always welcome.
I don't do the stock market either, I prefer realestate.
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26. July 2004 @ 08:55 |
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26. July 2004 @ 15:29 |
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Hello,
I have a question and I have not seen an answer to this one.
After reading all the comparitive tests and results, I wish to understand the following, when you mention that IC8 produces better results then let's say Nero or Shrink or others. Is this the transcoding only or also the burning.
I will make my question more precise. If you use decrypter to HD and then DVD Remake Pro (saving once again to HD)and then IC8 to save to HD. Would the quality be the same if you used another engine to burn the files onto the DVD disk. I came across a guide that indicated to use IC8 to transcode and save to HD and then use decrypter to burn. So I was wondering, if one used Nero, Shrink, decrypter or any other burning software on the saved files once processed in IC8 would the results be the same as using the IC8 burning engine or do the comparative tests you performed on IC8 become invalid if you use another burning engine.
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26. July 2004 @ 15:48 |
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Mr2Tone
The burning engine shouldn't change the video quality only the transcoder will affect that.
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26. July 2004 @ 16:08 |
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Mr2Tone...
The number of software choices can be confusing, as many offer something a little different than the next. Adding to this confusion is a kind of "shorthand" talk, such as someone saying they burned with Shrink. Often this means that they actually burned with Nero, and they used Shrink's option to launch Nero "in the background" when it was time to burn. Decrypter does have a burner, but it has limitations.
However, as Sophocles points out, the transcoder is what determines the quality.
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26. July 2004 @ 22:40 |
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I was an IC user until DVDShrink 3.2 came out and I always used DVDDecrypter for the rip and burn phases because IC7 has an unreliable burn engine. I made several coasters until i switched to burning with DVDDecrypter. Since then not 1 coaster. It has nothing to do with picture qualityas the burn engine has no effect on quality.
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26. July 2004 @ 23:04 |
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I often wonder why people consistently rip with Decrypter for use with Shrink. Shrink rips for itself and the use of Decrypter just takes additional time. Some guides say to use Decrypter when Shrink is unable to properly rip a video. I have yet to run into the video Shrink couldn't rip. If it happens, it is rare. I use DVD Decrypter quite often, just not to rip for DVD Shrink.
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26. July 2004 @ 23:45 |
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Hi brobear...
I might be able to lend some insight into this, or at least why I rip with Decrypter (and Smartripper). I frequently buy used DVD's from the video concession inside my favorite grocery store. Decrypter will tell me if there are any read errors, but Shrink will not. Also, I have found that Smartripper is probably the best of all the rippers when it comes to reading used discs, and so I use it more than Decrypter. When a read error is found, there is enough data to indicate the location of the problem on the DVD. At that point its a matter of cleaning or polishing the DVD. Once I have a good file, I then go to Shrink, DVD2One, or Remake Pro.
I have also come across a few DVD's that Shrink wouldn't process properly, but after I used Decrypter, I was able to put the files through Shrink. This happened just recently, and if I can remember which DVD, I'll let you know.
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27. July 2004 @ 05:35 |
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27. July 2004 @ 08:52 |
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Thanks for the article ronjon. I half-expected to read more hype about 3.2. I appreciate the author's objectivity, and believe he would find a more objective group here at AD. As it is, I think his posting group would like to have him tried for heresy.
For all those who don't get a chance to read the article, one part discusses the I, P, and B frames. It seems Shrink 3.2 gets the "shrink" it needs from the B frames. I believe that in the past this was done by dropping every third frame?
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27. July 2004 @ 08:58 |
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Yes I read the article and I wished it had included part 2. The B frames are compressed more for movies at about 20% but on higher compression the P frames seem to take a serious hit too.
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27. July 2004 @ 09:20 |
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Honestly I have a hard time taking this review too seriously because of this passage:
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An older personal test showed f.e. that selecting 'deep analysis' does not improve quality in a practical way because of its academically low improvements. So no need for me to give that feature another extra hour. Tests in the german computer magazine c't confirmed that impression.
But maybe this has changed especially for AEC as it benefits too from deep analysis (so stated in the readme).
He assumed it wouldn't make a difference so he didn't use it. The way I see it, assuming is the exact opposite of testing. It's an interesting test, but not particularly useful on its own. In fact since there aren't a lot of tests run with interlaced material, the chances of getting enough other evidence to either back up or refute his findings (or more importantly his assumptions) are pretty remote.
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27. July 2004 @ 09:22 |
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I, too, would also like to see Part 2. It's clear to me that any reasonable discussion about 3.2 is going to require this type of objective data.
The best tool I have at this point is the WinDVD 6 bigorange recommended. I have an action scene I've been checking. When I pause, it is not immediate, so I don't seem to get the frame I want. But when it does stop, sometimes I get a sharp frame, and other times the frame is a blurred mess. The blurred mess must be the B frame?
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27. July 2004 @ 09:28 |
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verbal...
My post crossed yours in cyberspace. While it may be difficult to take the author seriously, I think that "objective" data is a step in the right direction.
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