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31. December 2005 @ 18:31 |
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Seriously, I don't think there's any differences at all. Afterall, Lite-On is Lite-On and BenQ is BenQ, the SONY is just a marketing name that's all. My DRU710A is a rebadge Lite-On, and like I've said many times before, it (DRU710A) has never let me down. So far, I've been burning flawlessly for the past 14 months.
Yep, me too, I have no regret with my DRU710A at all -- it still has tons of power, LOL.
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31. December 2005 @ 18:39 |
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That's good to hear. Yeah I hope mine works out that well. I knew Sony burner's were good quality, even if they were mostly rebadges. It's worth a little extra money for the quality I think. Either way BenQ and Lite-on are good companies. I might just try those High Grade Hitachi's at some point. I love the Taiyo Yuden's, but diversity is the spice of life, and some other lame cliches. Glad I'm not the only one who is answering posts on AD 20 mins before New Year's EST lol.
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31. December 2005 @ 18:41 |
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OK, I think it's time to spice up this thread a little now. I've just burned a PS2 game ARC THE LAD END OF DARKNESS on another Maxell002 (High Grade) for my son a couple days ago. Here's the results.
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31. December 2005 @ 18:44 |
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And here is 50CENT BULLETPROOF, which I burned last week on MCC004, not bad, it's looking pretty sweet as always.
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31. December 2005 @ 19:17 |
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Here is PATH OF NEO on another top notch YUDEN000T02.
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31. December 2005 @ 20:45 |
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Interesting stuff. I notice that almost all your scans have at least 2 P.I. failures. Is that because your originals are scratched? Or is it because your burner is a little older? I've never noticed any P.I. failure's on my TYG02's. I'm just curious as to the reason. Those scans do nothing to quell my interest in those High Grade Maxell's. They are some top quality media for sure. Dare I say maybe even a little better than TY? It pains me to say so, but the scans don't lie. Hey Alkohol, where did you order your high grade Hitachi Maxell's from? Do they make them in DVD-R's as well as DVD+R's? I didn't see any at http://www.supermediastore.com
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31. December 2005 @ 21:33 |
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A peak of 2 PIF is not bad at all. It's the POF that you don't want any of. They usually translate into CRC errors. It's very seldom that you will see a scan with 0 PI errors. I don't believe I've ever had one.
Dave
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31. December 2005 @ 22:27 |
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I wasn't referring to the P.I. errors, the P.I. failures was what I meant. Apologies if that's what you meant. Thanks for the info anyway.
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1. January 2006 @ 02:31 |
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@tokijin
the Hitachi Maxells are found usually on sale @ Office Depot locally..just gotta keep an eye out on the sales~ :)
the Hitachi's are ONLY found in the "MADE IN JAPAN" spindles...i only have about 200 of each...in BOTH the 8x DVD-R and 8x DVD+R format~ :) they are good quality media...but to say they're better than TYs, well, i can argue with you there as on my VARIOUS burners, i have a better quality score on Taiyo Yudens than i do with Maxells PERSONALLY~ :) this is taking into account i have 6 burners to try them on and compare...it really depends which one you are using at times...
i too have the Sony dru-710a that Alkohol has, it's a rebadged Liteon SOHW 1633S, which is another OEM drive i have as well (without the fancy SONY logo)... different firmwares, pretty close results- JFYI, the Sony's firmware is much better than the Liteon firwmare so i get better results with that one...
my Benq and Pioneer drives on the other hand, will consistently show BETTER results on Taiyo Yuden than on Maxells...it REALLY does depend on what burner you use to burn either on TYs or Maxells, hence the biased/non-biased results~ :)
supermediastore.com does NOT carry Maxells (Hitachi's) to my knowledge, never have...don't think they will in the future...
the Hitachi's can be found LOCALLY in this case...MIJ on the Maxells~ very good price when on sale @ OfficeDepot~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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1. January 2006 @ 02:59 |
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Thanks for the info doc. So maybe it is a better to have a Sony, if the firmware is better. I'll take you word that the Maxell's aren't as good as the Taiyo Yuden's. I love the TY's, I have no real reason to switch, just curious about those Maxell's. I've only used Verb's on a limited basis, but I didn't care for the results nearly as much as the TY's. I had to rebuild a couple EA games that wouldn't play on the Verb's. I haven't had to rebuild anything since burning to TY's. So what makes the Sony firmware better than Liteon's?
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1. January 2006 @ 03:11 |
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the reason I feel the Sony's firmware is "better" than the OEM Liteon's is due to the fact Sony DOES keep up with their updates...the firmware i have for my Liteon is dated friggin 2004/12/24, but as i use the Liteon drive on my 2nd computer, i am not always up to date...hehe, i just realized that the NEWEST firmware came out a few days ago...2005/12/23, BSOY...looks like i will have to update the firmware and get back to ya on it~ LOL
anyways, either way, the hardware for BOTH the Sony and the Liteon drives is identical...with this newest firmware, it MIGHT prove to be very good...we'll see...but, i like my Liteon drives, regardless of WHO rebadges them...i think they do the job and do it fairly well...
i'm biased in this whole comparison because i've ALWAYS been a Pioneer fan and my dvr-109 is by FAR the fastest of my drives..i've only just recently became a big fan of Benq as i got the dw-1640 a few months back..it's a TERRIFIC drive~ :)
blah blah blah...so many drives, so little time...i'll let you know about the newest Liteon firmware once i test it out next week...it MIGHT just be a VERY good improvement over the BSOS i have been using for over a year now~ :) u think? LOL
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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1. January 2006 @ 03:47 |
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@ alkohol hi :)
happy new year buddy
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1. January 2006 @ 04:42 |
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Okay, if the Sony 810 is a BenQ, what is the Sony-800A, and how does one find out...??Never mind, Brain Toot, followed by sudden remembering..
LiteON SOHW-1693S Duh...
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1. January 2006 @ 09:21 |
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hmmmm, so it looks like my litey has a new update............ FINALLY.
would not have know that if it were'nt for The Doc's post !
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1. January 2006 @ 11:48 |
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@tokijin
I was referring to the PI Failures. PIF=PI Failures. A peak of two is decent with a Lite-On/Sony. PIE is not nearly as important. What is really bad is POF (Parity Outer Failures). You should not have any of those because they will generally mean a CRC error. My BenQ will show POF on a really bad disc. My Lite-On and Pioneer generally don't because they are better readers. If I have a really bad disc I have a better chance of getting a copy with my Lite-On or Pioneer as the reader. I don't have a DVD-ROM anymore because I've got all the holes filled with burners. Incidentally, peak PIF is what the quality score is based on. On a Lite-On a peak of 4 gives a score of 90. On a BenQ a peak of 16 gives a score of 90. This is due to the different method of reading PIF between the two brands of burners. Other brands may be different.
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1. January 2006 @ 13:48 |
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That's interesting stuff. Thanks for the info Doc and ForknDave. I'm not used to posting questions. I don't post any questions in the PS2 section. It's good to learn this stuff though. I want to expand my DVD burning horizons. There's a whole host of TV shows I want to get on DVD like Sopranos, Entourage, etc.
@ForknDave So isn't the quality score a little deceptive then, if it's based on PIF failures and they're not nearly as important as PO Failures? So if a disc has 0 to 2 P.I. Errors but has tons of PO Errors, does that factor into the quality score? If not, then it seems like Nero CD/DVD Speed scans may not be as accurate as I had hoped. Thanks for all the info, there are nerds like me that find this stuff interesting lol.
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1. January 2006 @ 14:37 |
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PO errors are very similar to PI failures. KProbe used to show PIE and POE but they switched to PIE and PIF. As I recall the PIF was usually very similar in value to the POE. Nero CD/DVD Speed Disc Quality test displays PIE and PIF in chart form and also at the bottom in numeric form. It also shows POF at the bottom if there are any. If you have any POF you will also have massive PIF on that portion of the disc. POF means that that particular portion of the disc can't be read. PI stands for parity inner and PO stands for parity outer. I'm not into exactly what that means but I know it is not talking about the inner and outer portion of the disc I just know that low PIF or POE is good and any POF at all is bad. You generally won't see any POF on a disc. I think that peak PIF works pretty good to determine the quality score. If the PIF gets very high you will start to see pixillation and possibly jerking in the picture. I had a disc that had a lump in the PIF that went to 13 and there was definate pixellation at that spot. This was read on a Lite-On and probably would have had a score of about 70. I was using K Probe at the time and it doesn't give quality scores. I have had PIE of 700 or so and the disc played normally so I believe PIF is a pretty good thing to look at.
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1. January 2006 @ 14:43 |
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Interesting. Thanks again for the info. What's your take on all this doc?
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1. January 2006 @ 14:47 |
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@Tokijin
forkndave is right. Technically, all you really care is the PIF and Quality Scores. Any 1 - 2 on PIF and 95 - 100 on Quality is consider a "outstanding" or high quality media. Anything over 3 PIF is consider normal. However, if you happened to have somewhere close to 10 on PIF, then it's more than likely that the backup is going to cause an issue on playback, such as freezing, pixelate, distort picture, etc.
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1. January 2006 @ 14:51 |
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Here is what I consider a good scan. this is a TYG02 burned on a BenQ 1620 at either 8X or 16X. I'm not sure because they look about the same to me. If I was using DVD Shrink it was 8X. If I was using Nero Express it would have been 16X because that what it defaults to. The Peak PIF is 3 which gives a quality score of 99.
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1. January 2006 @ 14:59 |
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UPDATED:
Like I mentioned to you a few days ago, with my experiment burning at 16X on 3 of my precious MCC004 16X Verbatim last month in query to that bebate thread on burning "16X vs 4X". Now it (2 of those 3 discs) starts to freeze at certain point/scenes of the movie already. With that being said, my theory was right -- evidently, the faster you burn, the more likely you're going to see playback issues down the road. Those scans of mine was done with Nero CD-DVD Speed's and the results was unacceptable (pretty terrible) including both PIF and Quality Scores.
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1. January 2006 @ 15:11 |
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This is another awesome quality, I've just burned today; "Jackie Chan: THE MYTH" on one of my most trusted media, YUDEN000T02.
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1. January 2006 @ 15:13 |
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I have no problem burning at 16X as long as it's TY or Verbatim. If I'm using DVD Shrink I set it to 8X. If I'm using Nero Express (V7) it will burn at 16X or whatever the firmware allows. There is no provision to change the speed that I can see. I know that different speeds can be selected in Nero itself, but I'm too lazy to use that. Please note that I'm not advising anyone to burn anything at any particular speed. I just know what works for me.
Dave
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1. January 2006 @ 16:12 |
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as to MY input on all this tokijin, i COMPLETELY agree with forkndave 100%, as i mentioned earlier, your quality scans will vary DEPENDING on the burner used...
as forkndave scanned his TYG02, burned on a BENQ drive mind you, he also proved MY point that burning @8x (not necessarily 8x, but faster than 4x or slower) does prove to produce a better quality score...it all goes back to what i said about it being burner/drive DEPENDENT~ :0
forkndave knows much more about the PIE/PIF stuff than i do, his analysis of such settings/results makes sense to me.
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Please note that I'm not advising anyone to burn anything at any particular speed. I just know what works for me.
in conclusion, this is what it basically comes down to for ME as well...i agree with this statement entirely as forkndave has nailed it right on the spot...we can all debate which is the "best" burn speed all day long and people will ALWAYS agree or disagree based on THEIR OWN burning experiences...i for one AGREE that burning @ 8x or higher for me, on my Benq 1640 or Pioneer dvr-109 drives SPECIFICALLY, produce a BETTER quality scan score on Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim media~ :)
i also burn @8x on ALL my Liteons, regardless if it's my OEM SOHW-1633S or my Sony dru-710a or my Liteon SOHW-1693S...this has CONSISTENTLY produced BETTER scores for me than burns SLOWER than 8x...
we all have our OWN "favorite burn speeds"...while i PERSONALLY do NOT recommend burning @16x, much as alkohol suggested, i WILL say that burning @8x can produce VERY GOOD quality scores as opposed to 4x, which seems to be the most widely accepted speed...on high quality media such as Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim...i WILL "push the envelope" and recommend people to burn @8x...
lastly, @gear...if i don't keep you up to date w/ ur firmware who will? LOL
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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