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pfh
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13. April 2005 @ 14:27 |
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Thanks Reboot, I didn't think I was nuts! I was hoping someone would back me up! Pfh....................
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samintx
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14. April 2005 @ 09:03 |
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Rebootjim, I wish you would tell that to all the blank DVDs I have sitting around that will not burn in the Toshiba standalone. I think I have some expertise in this area with 3 units and you cannot put just any old X speed in the standalone. Bull shit or not ! ! !
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samintx
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14. April 2005 @ 09:04 |
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reboot...if you don't believe me read the manuals for the older models (I think sony is up to 4x or 8x now) or call the tech dept for certain models.
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14. April 2005 @ 10:27 |
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I didn't say it was foolproof. If YOUR toshi or whatever can't do it, I would assume a media incompatibility, NOT a speed issue.
I too have blanks that won't work in certain brands. This has nothing (in my experience) to do with the recording speed of the unit. I've used no-name, TY's, and lots of other "brand names", some made in Taiwan, some in Japan, some in Mexico, and it's trial and error. Some work, some don't.
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Cheers, Jim
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pfh
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14. April 2005 @ 10:31 |
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What you are saying doesn't make sense- think about it.
Or maybe we're talking about 2 different things but the way I read it is, you claim a 2x drive can't use 4,8,16 or higher rated discs!
When in fact a "high" speed disc can be used in lower speed drives.
If your statement were fact then you'd have consumers with near useless drives in less than a year!
On the other hand the + and - TYPE can make a difference.
On another note Sony, Toshiba and others probebly don't even MAKE the drives installed in their machines.
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samintx
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14. April 2005 @ 13:06 |
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No you are wrong. Stand alone recorders are not the same as a DVD recorder hooked to your computer. Believe me I know. has nothing to do with media incompatibility. I have experience and know whereof I speak. Also Philips standalone. You are wrong and I'm not inclined to call someone dead wrong.
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samintx
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14. April 2005 @ 13:10 |
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Get it thru your head you guys. I'm talking a dedicated unit not a drive you buy to hookup to your computer. I know about that. You are not reading and understand what I'm saying. There are standalone units that look like DVD players...like an amplifier not the little square units you hook up to a PC or mac.
A standalong unit cannot have the firmware upgraded unless it can be done at the factory. You don't know what a standalone unit is....
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14. April 2005 @ 13:13 |
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Your experience must be unique then.
I have a toshi 4x, a panasonic 8x, and a jvc 2x, and some work better with +, some with -. Some work better with the yellow dye, some the blue/purple. Some work better with 4x 8x and even 16x, but NEVER have I found the speed rating of the disk made the slightest bit of difference.
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Cheers, Jim
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samintx
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14. April 2005 @ 13:53 |
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It is in the manual and unless the units are later units 1-2x is top speed. Sony just came out with a unit that will play 8x which is top speed for a standalone recorder. Now don't write back you have a Sony that will write at 16x or 24x because we are not talking oranges and oranges.
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14. April 2005 @ 14:10 |
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I didn't say that.
I said the speed rating of the disk makes no difference, provided it is rated AT or ABOVE the max speed of the recorder.
You can't even buy 2x disks any more, so you're telling me that everyone with a 2x recorder now has an expensive door stop?
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Cheers, Jim
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pfh
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14. April 2005 @ 15:57 |
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Samintx said- "A standalong unit cannot have the firmware upgraded unless it can be done at the factory. You don't know what a standalone unit is.... " and "It is in the manual and unless the units are later units 1-2x is top speed. Sony just came out with a unit that will play 8x which is top speed for a standalone recorder. Now don't write back you have a Sony that will write at 16x or 24x because we are not talking oranges and oranges."
But what does this have to do with the topic? Wouldn't matter if you could firmware update really. I'll even go so far as to say that the difference between a PC dvd drive and stand-alone dvd drive are in fact essentially identical!! The only difference being the connection and contoller chip.
The top speed rating of a drive is one thing and the top speed a particular disc can be written to is A WHOLE other topic. The only relationship they have is...........none really. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY DON'T MAKE 2X DISCS ANYMORE!
Your experience is indeed unique and if I were you I'd be screaming at whoever sold you those units cause you got a RAW deal if you can't use the ubiquitous 8x or more discs. Your basically sitting on 500 2x discs that are worthless (except to you of course)
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samintx
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15. April 2005 @ 01:43 |
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No, boys...all the first units that came out could only write 1-2x. Or didn't you know. I still think you are not getting it and know what kind of recorder I'm talking about.
Yes, I just bought 500 1-2x disks at a great price. And happily recording away in my living room off Tivo...no computer, just the recorder, Tivo and a TV screen. I am waiting for the price of the Sony and others to come down that record on 4-8x.
Meanwhile my Toshiba standalone and Philips work beautifully on the 2x Disks.
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15. April 2005 @ 06:58 |
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all the first units that came out could only write 1-2x.
That's nice...
I still haven't seen a 1x, 2x or 4x standalone that wouldn't write to an 8x disk.
The idea that a 2x machine can only write to a 2x disk is preposterous.
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Cheers, Jim
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samintx
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15. April 2005 @ 11:26 |
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http://www2.shopping.com/xGS-Lite_On_5005~NS-1~linkin_id-3062995
I don't own this Lite-on standalone recorder but they have just started making ones that would write on 4x. Believe me I do this 24 hrs a day and know what I'm talking about. As I said I think the new Sony unit will write to 8X but not sure if it 8 or 4. I'm signing out on the whole subject because I know I am right. ..you must be confusing the square boxes added to computers.
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15. April 2005 @ 11:44 |
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OK, if you insist.
The whole idea that a 2x standalone DVD recorder (of any make) can ONLY write to a 2x disk is still (IMHO) preposterous.
If that is so, then everyone with a 2x recorder is very pissed off now, because they can no longer purchase 2x disks.
I guess I just don't understand your logic.
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Cheers, Jim
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pfh
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15. April 2005 @ 14:02 |
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Attractive pricing is making the stand-alone units a very good alternative for those looking for the simplest way to transfer their aging vhs collection.
As with all optical drives the WRITE speeds keep climbing, however, with stand alone units Write speeds may not be that critical. For transfers that is. Capture being equal to movie length and all.....
Keep in mind though, what a certain speed a drive can write AT does not equal what a certain disc medium is capable of excepting in terms of write speeds.
Now it's time to kick back with some John Mayer and a cold one!!
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myhrep
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17. April 2005 @ 21:00 |
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to samintx, pfh, and others - I am a newbie, but maybe I can throw my 2cents in to clarify the discussion, and calm the emotions. Samintx, my understanding (and I am just in the research phase) is that a 2x standalone (we understand it is not a pc version) will not support writing an 8x disc at an 8x speed. In this way, the 8x disc speed is not supported. However, the disc manufacturers have made the discs backwards compatible. The 8x disc will appear to the 2x drive the same way that a discontinued 2x disc would appear. The recorder will burn the 8x disc at a 2x speed, and will never know the difference. To the recorder, it is a 2x disc. The key is that the discs are manufactured to be backwards compatible and work with the older recorders. If you think about it, your manual would of course only list the current media speeds as being supported. At the time of the manual it doesn't know what is coming out in the future.
Now to my question. Hopefully, I'll get some brownie points in return for this probably redundant question (there are way too many threads on this site to review!). Between a standalone recorder (I am looking at the Panasonic DMR-ES10 for $199) and a product like the ADVC50 or 110, what would produce the best quality converted vhs tapes? Some of my tapes are in degrading condition. Note: For the ADVC products, I would probably need to updgrade by pc hard drive and ram. Would the standalone come close, match, or beat the quality of the ADVC? It has quite an attractive price. Thanks
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samintx
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18. April 2005 @ 01:50 |
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Without reading further than your first sentences, NO- you cannot record 8x and DVDR985 (backward compatible) in stand alone recorders like the ones I bought in the last two years DV-1 D-R2SU Toshiba and Philips DVDR80 . You guys are talking about another animal not the units that Do NOT CONNECT TO COMPUTERS. I know what I'm talking about...you put an 8x in the unit it throws it out...
I'm not even going to enter into this discussion because I am talking about one recorder unit and the rest of you are centered on the Recorders that hook up to your computer externally.
The DVD boxes that look and act as a VCR are not backward compatible as far as X speed is concerned. The current Sony would be because it will record on 4 or 8x discs.
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pfh
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18. April 2005 @ 04:35 |
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Samintx: KNOW this- we understand the units you speak of, we know the difference. But until some more research is done, I can't substantiate what you say regarding the x factor of discs and how they make a diff. with your units.
HOwever, I did find this bit of info regarding TY's to be interesting- It would tend to support some of what you are saying.
http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-4x-dvd-r-media-silver-matte-spindles.html
Older DVD recorders that were originally not 4x compatible require a firmware update in order to avoid potential damage.
*Pioneer A03 & A04 Drives Require Updated Firmware to Use 4X DVD Media, Failure to do so will cause damage to your drive
hmmm......since your units were purchased last year I wouldn't think they are that old....interesting. Wonder who manufac. the drives in your recorders?
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18. April 2005 @ 08:32 |
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Now to my question. Hopefully, I'll get some brownie points in return for this probably redundant question (there are way too many threads on this site to review!). Between a standalone recorder (I am looking at the Panasonic DMR-ES10 for $199) and a product like the ADVC50 or 110, what would produce the best quality converted vhs tapes? Some of my tapes are in degrading condition. Note: For the ADVC products, I would probably need to updgrade by pc hard drive and ram. Would the standalone come close, match, or beat the quality of the ADVC? It has quite an attractive price. Thanks
The ADVC-110 will give you better quality...providing you use the right software afterwards, with the right settings, to make your dvd's. The standalone quality is acceptable to most, and definitely faster.
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I'm not even going to enter into this discussion because I am talking about one recorder unit and the rest of you are centered on the Recorders that hook up to your computer externally.
NO WE ARE NOT!
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Cheers, Jim
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jimbusse
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18. April 2005 @ 11:12 |
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Not to change the subject, but, I have a question.
I upgraded my hardware with a Canopus ADVC50. My daughter who is a student, bought it for me from Studica, I think the price was great. I had WinDVR 3 already, and I bought Dr. DivX.
I am not a perfectionist, but I am getting spectacular results converting my old VHS video-cam tapes to DivX, and can play them back. I've created some DVDs, going backwards fromthe DivX AVI, and played them on a DVD-to-SD CRT-TV, and they look absolutely great. Thanks to Minion and all for recommendations.
My question:
After capturing with WinDVR for 1.5 hours or so, WinDVR takes another hour or so to "finish". I see a capture file in the working directory, filetype AVI. After it's done, I see another file of type AVI or MPEG, depending on my WinDVR selection. I've tred "good" and "best" settings, but not played around with any of the programmable features. I read WinDVR help, but it was pretty useless.
Is there some setting for WinDVR that will bypass the "finish" and just save the "native" WinDVR AVI format, so WinDVR doesn't need to convert into some new final output format? Then I could (probably) select that file for input to the Dr DivX and let it do it's multipass (very long time) compression, and save the WinDVR "finish" time.
Right now, selecting the "best" setting for WinDVR, I am getting 600MB file sizes after the Dr DivX compression, and I'd like to keep that size, since it's cheaper for me to send CDs to family members.
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Jim
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18. April 2005 @ 13:23 |
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I think what's happening, is the codec you're choosing for capture.
If you use DivX or Xvid, they are often too slow to do real-time capture/encode/saves. WinDVR is buffering the capture, and this takes time to encode and save.
It's also possible the hard drive isn't fast enough to capture raw DV-AVI via WinDVR.
Either way, try a faster codec, such as Huffyuv or mjpeg, to save the captures, and it should be much faster.
Then do your DrDivX recompression on it to DivX if needed.
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Cheers, Jim
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18. April 2005 @ 13:25 |
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If you want to Capture to your Devices Native DV AVI format and then Encode the DV AVI files to DivX then you willl have to use different Capture Software...
There are a couple Frreeware DV Capture programs Like "WinDV" and "DVIO" which will let you capture from your Device in it"s Native DV AVI format and then after Capture to DV AVI you can use a Freeware Video Editor/Converter Like "Virtual-Dub" to convert the DV AVI files to DivX...
Just make sure you capture to DV type 2 or Virtual-Dub will not be able to Read the Captured File....
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jimbusse
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19. April 2005 @ 13:27 |
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Thanks for all your responses.
I followed Minion's directions, but failed. first, the WinDV software breaks the files into multiple avi's, and DrDivx could operate on only one. So I got VirtualDub but it told me it couldn't use DirectShow codecs, it wanted VFW codecs. I don't have vfw codecs, so I followed a different path.
Using WinDV gave me a clue, the filesizes were huge compared to the WinDVR capture. So I went back to WinDVR and selected the largest bitrate (NTSCDV) format to record, and now WinDVR no longer takes a long time to "finish". The output AVI file is recognized and converted by TMPGEnc, so I can convert it to DVD. The output file is recognized and converted by DrDivx so I can convert it to DivX CD.
So WinDVR's "native mode" is the NTSCDV setting, 25000b/sec bitrate. I haven't noticed any abberations, like frame drop, but more testing is needed. I guess it won't because I guess Reboot was right, it stores in native mode then after it's all done goes back and converts using the selected codec, which takes a long time.
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Jim
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nograde1
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10. May 2005 @ 06:59 |
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After the VHS is captured and rendered why is the VIDEO_TS file the only file used when putting on DVD what is the AUDIO_TS file used for?? I use record now max.
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