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5. January 2008 @ 12:32 |
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Originally posted by mub6:
not to worry,
but to all of those who are worried about quadruple layer disks,
like i said,
its not gonna happen.
they had the capacity to build games upto 9gb on the ps2 and they didnt even relaes ONE game that took up the space of the full 9 gigs.
i doubt it very much if there are going to be any 100gb games.
i think they will be more than content with 25. and possibly even less.
like i said its all just a front, the blue ray is just supposed to give the ps3 the extra sparkle in comparison to the 360. but having played both.
i must say there is little difference in graphics.
and to be honest, i doubt it very much the ps3 is going to be moddable. im tired of waiting
so i think im gonna go with the 360!
im gonna buy it, mod it, and then start playing my downloaded games :)
i would urge others with my dilemma to do the same :S
Im starting to think the same thing about the PS3 being un moddable,basicaly because to many people have upgraded thier firmwares and every time the hackers get past one firmware it will be patched with newer firmware.
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raysuave
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5. January 2008 @ 14:06 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
Im starting to think the same thing about the PS3 being un moddable,basicaly because to many people have upgraded thier firmwares and every time the hackers get past one firmware it will be patched with newer firmware.
If its an issue of firmwares, then how do you explain the 360 still being able to be modded after all of its major seasonal updates???
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5. January 2008 @ 14:31 |
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how would sony know its latest firmware has been hacked, for now i think it is actually serious updates and not like the psp's usless ones...
Fat PSP: 3.03 oe-c (will update when i have time :P)
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5. January 2008 @ 15:53 |
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To raysuave and okthen12,Sony have got really smart this time,they know that a firmware upgrade will disable the hackers methods,for instance the hackers crack one PSP firmware then Sony replace it with a newer one,the same will happen with the PS3.The guys behind the ISO Loader havnt been able to get by firmware 1.60,to do so takes time,dont forget that the PS3 is a far more sophisticated machine than the PSP and the 360 put together.
Raysuave the firmware upgrades do affect the hacking methods on the 360,but because its so easy to get around the hackers have no problem doing so.
Okthen12 I think custom firmwares for the PS3 are a long way of,its not really the firmware that gets hacked either.
Sony seem to have got it right this time,remember the RSX access,it was fixed with firmware 2.10.
This is just my personal opinion.I could be wrong.
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nexus420
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5. January 2008 @ 15:59 |
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ur very right the ps3 is deffently the best sony came out with but its only time man when the chip comes out itll have the ability to hot swap fw so u can download the new fw to play online on your lagit games and then doiwngrade to below 1.6 if u need to for any reason if u know ewhat i mean just wait this summer im thinking will be banging for ps3 dont put my words out but thats i think just have patienence and wait like the rest of us for the gods of modding to do it again
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nexus420
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5. January 2008 @ 16:24 |
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oh yeah by the way look on on google about that 100 gb br discs ull see what i was talkin about i found this when i was lookin for ps3 exploits months ago but heres a taste check it out http://www.digg.com/playstation/Hitachi_...r_PS3?t=9671323 ps3 is bringing out all its guns on the new console and they are also starting redesigning the psthree for due release some time late this yr or early next yr wyhen nexus says it must be tru lol l8a
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raysuave
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5. January 2008 @ 18:06 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
To raysuave and okthen12,Sony have got really smart this time,they know that a firmware upgrade will disable the hackers methods,for instance the hackers crack one PSP firmware then Sony replace it with a newer one,the same will happen with the PS3.The guys behind the ISO Loader havnt been able to get by firmware 1.60,to do so takes time,dont forget that the PS3 is a far more sophisticated machine than the PSP and the 360 put together.
Raysuave the firmware upgrades do affect the hacking methods on the 360,but because its so easy to get around the hackers have no problem doing so.
No they don't, the type of dvd drive u have determines the firmware you have to use, not the latest 360 update.
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raysuave
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5. January 2008 @ 18:23 |
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Originally posted by nexus420:
oh yeah by the way look on on google about that 100 gb br discs ull see what i was talkin about i found this when i was lookin for ps3 exploits months ago but heres a taste check it out http://www.digg.com/playstation/Hitachi_...r_PS3?t=9671323 ps3 is bringing out all its guns on the new console and they are also starting redesigning the psthree for due release some time late this yr or early next yr wyhen nexus says it must be tru lol l8a
They even noted the coming of an eight layer BD disc, 200gb. I'm just wondering what the cost of blank 100gb/200gb disc will be?? Any links on expected introductory prices??
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nexus420
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5. January 2008 @ 19:36 |
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http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/ this is huge after doing some more research on google i found out that even a few car companies are coming out with external burners for your tvs with everything coming out hd.blu ray takes it out to the next level get this single layer discs not even jam packed with its sectors are 25 well these new 200 gb br have 8 layers each having around 33gb on each sector they are doing this by making the layers thinner and these companies like the leaders tdk have been making beta 200gb for awhile since 2004 http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/12/tdk-h...b-blu-ray-disc/ there is no word on the cost of the 200 gb br disc but the more important question is who is going to be the first to make the 8 layer br burner and how much the cost what i have to say is start saving this going to be a good for ps3 and tech.but as for the cost of a 200gb br i think thats where your going ot have to save i just hope they come out with a 200 gb br rw everyone makes mistakes right its prolly going to cost around 200 if we are lucky 1 dolla 1 gb i was also looking into this other so coalled disc revalution a tb protein rich disc i think its bull but its true damn man no saying whats forseen in the next yrs but these protein discs are bio tech to it finest but believing that you can put 1 or even more then 1 tb on a single disc wether it be br or what ever i dont know if i can believe but look for yourself get up on google and type in tb protein discs you find more than me i gave up lookin pon that but on the ps3 back to topic im expecting them to co,me out with the 200 gb br by this summer i think what they are doing right now are having a sells test to see how well the br will sell and its consumer grouth expetiency but if your loooking at the ps3 as modible right now the best to do is sh!t in 1 hand wish in the other these br are expencive right now they will drop in price only after they start making the bigger 100 and 200 gb br now release so i cant help you there but just guessing this yr or next yr they will be out l8a
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5. January 2008 @ 20:42 |
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Originally posted by raysuave:
Originally posted by marcusita:
To raysuave and okthen12,Sony have got really smart this time,they know that a firmware upgrade will disable the hackers methods,for instance the hackers crack one PSP firmware then Sony replace it with a newer one,the same will happen with the PS3.The guys behind the ISO Loader havnt been able to get by firmware 1.60,to do so takes time,dont forget that the PS3 is a far more sophisticated machine than the PSP and the 360 put together.
Raysuave the firmware upgrades do affect the hacking methods on the 360,but because its so easy to get around the hackers have no problem doing so.
No they don't, the type of dvd drive u have determines the firmware you have to use, not the latest 360 update.
When the 360 system is updated it temporary blocks the DVD firmware hack.
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raysuave
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6. January 2008 @ 23:38 |
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Originally posted by nexus420:
these new 200 gb br have 8 layers each having around 33gb on each sector they are doing this by making the layers thinner and these companies like the leaders tdk have been making beta 200gb for awhile since 2004
One more thing to add.....could you even fathom the number of hours of p0rn that could fit on a 200gb disc?? You could put a p0rn stars filmography on one disc....how cool would that be!!
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TheColt
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7. January 2008 @ 11:50 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
To raysuave and okthen12,Sony have got really smart this time,they know that a firmware upgrade will disable the hackers methods,for instance the hackers crack one PSP firmware then Sony replace it with a newer one,the same will happen with the PS3.The guys behind the ISO Loader havnt been able to get by firmware 1.60,to do so takes time,dont forget that the PS3 is a far more sophisticated machine than the PSP and the 360 put together.
Raysuave the firmware upgrades do affect the hacking methods on the 360,but because its so easy to get around the hackers have no problem doing so.
Okthen12 I think custom firmwares for the PS3 are a long way of,its not really the firmware that gets hacked either.
Sony seem to have got it right this time,remember the RSX access,it was fixed with firmware 2.10.
This is just my personal opinion.I could be wrong.
I'm new, don't hurt me.
The 360 hack is determined by the drive you have, as many of you said. All the latest firmware hacks are up on xbins, for those in the know, and flashing is a breeze once you get the hack in your bones. M$ counters the hack by issuing firmware challenges, specifically the "jitter" challenge. When you logon live, M$ checks the latency timings of the drive, and hacked firmware doesn't issue the right responses, and you are banned from live, which is the worst they can do right now. the iXtreme 1.4 firmware (THANK YOU!) defeats this challenge by spoofing the right timings. Live firmware updates come into the mix by allowing M$ to issue different, but not substantially harder challenges. Also, there are only updates in the fall and spring, unlike $ony who rolls them out constantly. So, the scene has Xbox360 well in hand. If you're a backups kind of guy or gal, the 360 is for you.
As a 360 guy though, the PS3 has finally gotten under my skin. I want one, bad, and will probably splurge by June. I'm actually kind of surprised the hack hasn't happened, but as with the PSP, $ony's attempts all wrap around thwarting fixes with constant firmware. I'm *guessing* that also perhaps like the PSP, there will be a "magic bullet" crack in one version of firmware that gives access to the kernel, which will then allow for a firmware version spoof for any $ony code that attempts to update, like the 1.5 PSP firmware able to pretend that it's 2.5 for newer PSP games.
Once that's achieved (like it's simple, right, I'm sure we could do it in our basments *sic*) I will buy my box, split it's ass wide open, and strap on a 500GB drive to load backups off of. More than enough room for 15 - 20 games, and as you finish one, just knock it out the box... There always there on a.b.console.ps3 when the backup scene explodes which seems inevitable this year IMHO.
What will be really interesing is if PS3 hackers get full blown access to the kernel, and start making: HOMEBREW. If that's the case, it's a major trump card for PS3 to outdo the 360, and a lot of loyalties will shift. It's why the original Xbox had a cult underground, and a lot of features were scene developed that were sanitized for commercial development by the 360 team. The backup hack on 360 will never deliver homebrew, since people are addicted to live. 360 could settle in as the cheap multiplayer system, with PS3 as the dominant single-player/homebrew machine. The units would fly off the shelves if that were the case. Well, okay, maybe not *fly*, but a similar cult underground would develop, and that's a lot of buzz..
Okay then...
see y'all later.
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TheColt
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7. January 2008 @ 11:55 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
When the 360 system is updated it temporary blocks the DVD firmware hack.
No, it doesn't. I have no idea where you got this bogus information. see above.
It does possibly make it easier to ban you from live. NOTHING actually blocks the ability to play backups. The banhammer is the only spanking you will ever get.
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8. January 2008 @ 01:49 |
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Originally posted by TheColt:
Originally posted by marcusita:
When the 360 system is updated it temporary blocks the DVD firmware hack.
No, it doesn't. I have no idea where you got this bogus information. see above.
It does possibly make it easier to ban you from live. NOTHING actually blocks the ability to play backups. The banhammer is the only spanking you will ever get.
Ok your right.I did some looking into it and again i am wrong.
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8. January 2008 @ 17:11 |
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It is amazing how many people want a firmware hack for this system or the ability to boot games off the harddrive.I think media will prevail in the end just my opinion,and a modchip such as Infectus will have to be used.The storage plays a big role when it comes to this,and the harddrive is not a real good method if you think about it.Sure you can get tons of Gigs for cheap,but wouldn't you lose Blu-Ray video playback as well.I'm not talking about converting to some bs format that strips the quality to hell either,and all the menues etc...Blu-Ray media is expensive at the moment I agree,but it would be the better investment.I see advantages and disadvantages for both storage mediums and this is how I look at them.
Blu-Ray Media
Advantages:It can deliver the best quality for games and movies since it would use the same type of medium the originals pretty much use.
Disadvantages:It is Expensive at the moment and does require the burner which is expensive also.
Harddrive
Advantages:It can deliver quick read rate,and not wear the disc drive down.They are cheaper instead of buying Blu-Ray media.
Disadvantages:Video playback on a harddrive would be similar to the psp,not very good quality with stripped menues unless someone can manage to emulate a full BD-Rom off the harddrive.The harddrive may get full and require transferring to save space.NTFS write support is not available which would require a firmware hack.
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Why would it matter what kind of hack is available to be honest,just as long as one is released would be fine with me.I could care less if it was using Blu-Ray media or a harddrive,because hacking this system is hard to begin with.Why not have an open mind and welcome any type of hack.
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8. January 2008 @ 18:09 |
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I wouldnt hack my PS3 anyway, i wouldnt risk it.
And putting Sony as $ONY when you own a 360 is a joke LOL.
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raysuave
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8. January 2008 @ 19:39 |
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Originally posted by L-Burna:
Harddrive
Advantages:It can deliver quick read rate,and not wear the disc drive down.They are cheaper instead of buying Blu-Ray media.
Disadvantages:Video playback on a harddrive would be similar to the psp,not very good quality with stripped menues unless someone can manage to emulate a full BD-Rom off the harddrive.The harddrive may get full and require transferring to save space.NTFS write support is not available which would require a firmware hack.
Why can't a hard drive deliver the same HD quality video as a BD disc, as I understand it, a BD disc (in laymens terms) was just a DVD with plenty more room for HD quality right and maybe better read speeds?? I understand the laser in blu-ray drives are smaller to allow reading smaller data rings in all, hence increased space, but not sure if these differences make it more superior than HDDs as far as media playback.
Do you have any links to more information about the ability for HDDs to deliver content.
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8. January 2008 @ 22:29 |
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Originally posted by ziggi_83:
I wouldnt hack my PS3 anyway, i wouldnt risk it.
And putting Sony as $ONY when you own a 360 is a joke LOL.
Agreed. Look how much money people have put into thier xboxs. Anyway I was just on the hax network and wanted to warn people of a fake iso loader for sale. Please do not be stupid enough to buy it.
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10. January 2008 @ 08:14 |
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GOOD, so the ps3 cant play backups still?, just checking becoz a m8 of mine reckoned you can with lunix or somthing.
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10. January 2008 @ 15:33 |
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mmm i dont know i hack psp and tinker inside that never hacked console only handhelds workin on phone camera and hukin it up so firmware thinks its usb camera ,oops sorry for off topic but plz feed back on the ps3 linux bakup thing
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11. January 2008 @ 06:07 |
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Originally posted by JarrodNz:
GOOD, so the ps3 cant play backups still?, just checking becoz a m8 of mine reckoned you can with lunix or somthing.
There is no way of playing backups on PS3. Yout mate is just full of bs :D
You can put Linux on PS3, but you can not play backups.
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11. January 2008 @ 07:22 |
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Heard that there's a PS3 exploit using a TIF file in Photo and swap disc working with FW 1.9. Anyone tried it? Mine is FW 2.1 and cannot try it yet. Anyone knows where to download the FW1.9? Thanks.
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11. January 2008 @ 08:08 |
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Originally posted by at2008:
Heard that there's a PS3 exploit using a TIF file in Photo and swap disc working with FW 1.9. Anyone tried it? Mine is FW 2.1 and cannot try it yet. Anyone knows where to download the FW1.9? Thanks.
As your PS3 is already 2.1 there is no point of downloading 1.9 because you cant downgrade the firmware.
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11. January 2008 @ 12:33 |
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i also agree,
i dont think it is true about blue ray disks having better quality than hard drives.
it is all about space.
the more space you have to work with the better quality you can get.
and btw cant firmware be downgraded?
im sure that is the reason why sony are releasing firmware swiftly, to make it more hack proof. but you should be able to downgrade the firmware as a form of playing back ups come out.
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11. January 2008 @ 14:22 |
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Originally posted by mub6:
i also agree,
i dont think it is true about blue ray disks having better quality than hard drives.
it is all about space.
the more space you have to work with the better quality you can get.
and btw cant firmware be downgraded?
im sure that is the reason why sony are releasing firmware swiftly, to make it more hack proof. but you should be able to downgrade the firmware as a form of playing back ups come out.
There is a device for downgrading from 1.60 to 1.55 but as most people are 2.10 there is no point in it.
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