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MS Ban Hammer - 10.30.09
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ch3st3r
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9. November 2009 @ 04:12 |
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Just wanted to post here with some information about my system and games.
I was banned today while playing Forza 3, which I dl'd. I only used disc 1 and checked with ABGX at level 2. Stealth passed and everything verified. I also re-checked the burned disc just now, and everything verified.
This morning, I was playing NHL 10 online.
I have dl'd and played ODST, Brutal Legend, Borderland, Operation Flashpoint and Dirt 2 as of lately. All checked via ABGX and burned on Verbatim discs. All discs have been checked today in ABGX.
One of the games... can't remember now which one though... did not verify but passed stealth. So I ran it through ABGX on level 3 to patch it. I then checked the patched ISO with ABGX again and it all verified.
My console has a BenQ which replaced a Hitachi. The Hitachi was on it's way out, so I got a guy to replace it with a Benq and flash the Benq with 1.6. The Hitachi was flashed with 1.51 previously.
I did not play any games early. Today was the first day I tried Forza 3.
As I said, I always double check all of my games with ABGX.
Obviously nobody knows for sure, but it would seem just being "safe" is not safe enough any more. I don't think everyone on here is lying about whether they played games early or unverified. What would be the point in that?
I know it's a risk whether your safe or not though. I'm dissapointed considering Modern Warfare 2 is coming out, and I can't really afford a new console + game. But oh well... cry me a river.
But I just want everyone to keep an open mind here. Nobody really knows how M$ is catching people. Some have good theories, but in the end, it's just a theory. Speculation. They could very well be detecting firmware. Or maybe they have other things they look for.
It says on the M$ site they only ban people if there is overwhelming evidence that tampering has occured. This supports the multiple flag theory.
But considering the claims I read here, I think you can assume they are catching us even though we are being "safe".
There is no way of knowing, but Forza 3 makes me suspicious. I was fine until I tried that game. It would not be a new thing for a software company to release software that is flagged to catch pirates. It has happened before and there are companies who can be hired to do this. I don't think M$ would do this directly, but it can be done of course. Corporate spying is also "illegal" yet businesses do it all the time. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it's something to think about.
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9. November 2009 @ 04:21 |
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Originally posted by ch3st3r:
Obviously nobody knows for sure, but it would seem just being "safe" is not safe enough any more. I don't think everyone on here is lying about whether they played games early or unverified. What would be the point in that?
Some people don't want to own up to doing silly things. People are constantly told to avoid playing games early or if they're not verified, but many do it anyway. Also, it's entirely possible that MS employees post false info in order to ruin anyone's chance of spotting a pattern - not that I'm accusing anyone here of working for MS, lol, but I'm sure that kind of thing occurs.
I read a post elsewhere from a guy that claimed to have bought a 360 about 3 weeks ago and he flashed it, but he hadn't played a single game on it and he's still been banned. Not a single game - no originals either. Why would you buy a 360, flash it, then not play any games for 3 weeks? It's quite obvious that a tiny minority aren't being 100% honest.
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9. November 2009 @ 04:22 |
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Still not banned.
Been playing bad rips of tekken 6 / smackdown 2010 / MW2 offline (not going back online until the game is rls'd and there is a proper verified release)
Maybe they are waiting 'till Christmas day for me or something. lol
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sak500
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9. November 2009 @ 04:25 |
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Like above i played Forza3 and WAW and while playing online my console RRODd. As mentioned earlier i almost shipped the console back to MS for repairs as they confirmed it under warranty a week back but when i called them up yesterdy to tell them im' shpping it the support guy told me it will not be fixed due to being showing as a tampered with console. So luckily i dropped it off in the same white box carton at the guy's place who did the fw update on the consoles. Incidently he also fixes RROD. So i will basically hv an almost banned console for all offline games and buy an elcheapo arcade for online games.
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ch3st3r
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9. November 2009 @ 04:40 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Some people don't want to own up to doing silly things. People are constantly told to avoid playing games early or if they're not verified, but many do it anyway. Also, it's entirely possible that MS employees post false info in order to ruin anyone's chance of spotting a pattern - not that I'm accusing anyone here of working for MS, lol, but I'm sure that kind of thing occurs.
That's definitely true; people don't like to man up to things. But in this case... I just don't see the logic in going out of your way to cry on a forum when you know that it's your fault (well, it's your fault either way, but you know what I mean).
I guess some folks are just weird like that. But I personally would not have registered and posted here if I knew I was playing unverified games or playing games early.
And I guess there are always the people who don't even know they are being stupid.
But I followed all the safety measures I learned from everyone. Always double checking in ABGX, burning on Verbatims at 2.4x and never EVER playing games early, online or off.
I went through about 10 game discs today and re-checked in ABGX, and all passed.
So, there is something up with this whole thing.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. And I'll probably do it again.
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9. November 2009 @ 04:47 |
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Originally posted by ch3st3r:
Originally posted by funksoulb:
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It's been shown that users playing only verified games are still getting banned. There's a couple of people in the #FW channel of EFNET, reporting that they only played one verified backup and they still got banned.
I'm not sure if you know or not, but the creator of the iXtreme f/w has bought 3 brand new consoles to run tests on. All 3 are modded, one is running verified backups, one is running original games and one is doing nothing, idling on Xbox Live.
We'll just need to see what the outcome is, but it's safe to say that the majority of info is mostly just speculation and nothing is hard fact yet. But it's been shown that people only playing verified backups have been banned too. And it's also been confirmed by the iXtreme creator that it's not the firmware that's getting people banned.
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9. November 2009 @ 04:52 |
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Originally posted by Mik3h:
It's been shown that users playing only verified games are still getting banned. There's a couple of people in the #FW channel of EFNET, reporting that they only played one verified backup and they still got banned.
I know. I'm not accusing everyone who is claiming to have only played verified rips after the release date of lying. I'm saying that some people do lie though, that guy who claimed to have played no games at all for example.
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9. November 2009 @ 04:57 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
I know. I'm not accusing everyone who is claiming to have only played verified rips after the release date of lying. I'm saying that some people do lie though, that guy who claimed to have played no games at all for example.
Oh yes, definitely. If you are playing unverified rips online then you have flagged yourself almost indefinitely. And it's been seen on the forums all the people acting as if they were innocently banned.
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ch3st3r
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9. November 2009 @ 04:57 |
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Originally posted by Mik3h:
We'll just need to see what the outcome is, but it's safe to say that the majority of info is mostly just speculation and nothing is hard fact yet. But it's been shown that people only playing verified backups have been banned too. And it's also been confirmed by the iXtreme creator that it's not the firmware that's getting people banned.
Out of curiosity, how would he prove that? I agree, it's probably unlikely, but how would you actually prove beyond any doubt that they could not check FW? Not trying to be a jerk, but I'm sincerely curious. If it is indeed ruled out as a possibility, then I won't think about it any more.
That is great that the iXtreme creator is running some tests. I just hope that they wont be unfruitful because the ban wave has already come and gone. If that's the case, his experiments might take a full year to produce any results.
His tests not producing results doesn't really prove anything when taking the time frame M$ seems to work on.
M$ certainly has done a good job of making it difficult for everyone to track them down.
Then there is always the things that go along with flashing the FW. Many have suggested that the system could detect booting up the drive with the SATA cable unplugged. However, this alone does not seem like "overwhelming evidence" to me even if they could detect it.
So that leaves... the games. So perhaps there is something everyone is overlooking with games being verified by ABGX.
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AliveAsh
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9. November 2009 @ 05:01 |
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Originally posted by Mik3h:
Originally posted by ch3st3r:
Originally posted by funksoulb:
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It's been shown that users playing only verified games are still getting banned. There's a couple of people in the #FW channel of EFNET, reporting that they only played one verified backup and they still got banned.
I'm not sure if you know or not, but the creator of the iXtreme f/w has bought 3 brand new consoles to run tests on. All 3 are modded, one is running verified backups, one is running original games and one is doing nothing, idling on Xbox Live.
We'll just need to see what the outcome is, but it's safe to say that the majority of info is mostly just speculation and nothing is hard fact yet. But it's been shown that people only playing verified backups have been banned too. And it's also been confirmed by the iXtreme creator that it's not the firmware that's getting people banned.
I've also read about this. This is also the reason why the Liteon 1.61 hasn't been released yet.
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band1
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9. November 2009 @ 05:10 |
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I have a BENQ with 1.61 on it. I have only played 2 games online..UFC (origional copy) and MV vs DC (verified backup) and I just got the ban. No, I havent played anything else unverified or before the release date, on or off line. Dont know how they are doing it...but sure am curious to find out..
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9. November 2009 @ 05:41 |
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They must of had everyone flagged since before last month because I tested 2 xboxs that were broke over a week of game testing (playing a few copies like left 4 dead and call of duty 4) and left them off for a month while they kept getting rrod and they both got banned yesterday after having my friends banned xbox plugged into my internet, when I powered them on along with my Jasper which I powered on just after testing them. It could be to do with the same ip having a banned console one after the other plugged into it or just a coincidence that they banned them all.
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9. November 2009 @ 07:27 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
I read a post elsewhere from a guy that claimed to have bought a 360 about 3 weeks ago and he flashed it, but he hadn't played a single game on it and he's still been banned. Not a single game - no originals either. Why would you buy a 360, flash it, then not play any games for 3 weeks? It's quite obvious that a tiny minority aren't being 100% honest.
I have to disagree here. My bedroom 360 has been flashed for about 9 months, and has not had a single backup or retail game played on it. I flashed it because I flash all my consoles, but we really only bought it to stream videos and use Netflix. It really isn't that strange a thing to do.
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9. November 2009 @ 07:45 |
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Hi i'm not sure if anyone else has had this in their home.......
we have 3 xbox's rigged up in our house:
1/ Mine (dad) lite-on 7 series @ 10months old on 1.6fw - downstairs
2/ Sons lite-on 7 series @ last xmas on 1.6fw - in bedroom
3/ Sons Hitachi 59 in a 2008 chassis on 1.51fw - in bedroom
now here's the thing, i've modded all 3 on the same pc using the same CK3 unit and we all play the same backed up games either verified at source or by me after making a 2nd gen copy. Also no games have been played before release (i make sure of that)
my lads xboxs were both banned yesterday yet mine remains ok? They are all networked through a set of homeplugs and all use the same single entry into the router, so all use the same ports to access live.
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9. November 2009 @ 07:50 |
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Originally posted by Toaster68:
Hi i'm not sure if anyone else has had this in their home.......
we have 3 xbox's rigged up in our house:
1/ Mine (dad) lite-on 7 series @ 10months old on 1.6fw - downstairs
2/ Sons lite-on 7 series @ last xmas on 1.6fw - in bedroom
3/ Sons Hitachi 59 in a 2008 chassis on 1.51fw - in bedroom
now here's the thing, i've modded all 3 on the same pc using the same CK3 unit and we all play the same backed up games either verified at source or by me after making a 2nd gen copy. Also no games have been played before release (i make sure of that)
my lads xboxs were both banned yesterday yet mine remains ok? They are all networked through a set of homeplugs and all use the same single entry into the router, so all use the same ports to access live.
Honestly, I'd bet your lads were bragging or telling various others on Live about how they play all their games as free copies, and enough other users reported them to set up red flags. That's the kinda thing kids do.
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9. November 2009 @ 07:57 |
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yeah you could be right but they are both old enough to know the risks being 15 & 12 yeare olds and i told them time and time again about the risks involved ?????
who knows lol well they certainly won't be bragging online for a while ....
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9. November 2009 @ 07:59 |
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Originally posted by Toaster68:
yeah you could be right but they are both old enough to know the risks being 15 & 12 yeare olds and i told them time and time again about the risks involved ?????
who knows lol well they certainly won't be bragging online for a while ....
I mean no offense to you or your young ones. I simply know that at that age I'd have thought it was so cool how I wasn't buying games and playing everything I'd have been telling anyone who would listen.
Just a thought, could just be you got lucky.
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9. November 2009 @ 08:10 |
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Originally posted by Petries:
Originally posted by Toaster68:
yeah you could be right but they are both old enough to know the risks being 15 & 12 yeare olds and i told them time and time again about the risks involved ?????
who knows lol well they certainly won't be bragging online for a while ....
I mean no offense to you or your young ones. I simply know that at that age I'd have thought it was so cool how I wasn't buying games and playing everything I'd have been telling anyone who would listen.
Just a thought, could just be you got lucky.
hey no worries Petries :) no offence taken and i understand where you are coming from lol in my day as a kid you couldn't really boast about modding an intellivision or vectrix :).
My eldest has a conspiracy theory about M$ knowing your age, whether the unit is modded and how many 1000's of hours you spend on it a week and that if they ban the high end users (usually kids) then mum or dad will go right back out and buy a new unit - doh!!!!
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BIFF0
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9. November 2009 @ 08:33 |
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Where's leerage? He is usally the voice of reason.
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WJ99
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9. November 2009 @ 10:29 |
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Someone said to me today, that the causes for the bans is the response of the firmware, compared to the original?
Is this true?
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ton312
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9. November 2009 @ 10:50 |
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No some systems i modded are not banned yet.....I have a friend on xbox live that doesnt use abgx he didnt even know what it was. He's not banned and still going on strong. Its the games i think abgx screwed alot of people over
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pencilnec
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9. November 2009 @ 10:57 |
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Anyone banned with a totally stock console? I have two teenage boys, two stock xboxs, two pre-ordered totally bought and paid for MW2 copies I will pick up tomorrow. There usually is collateral damage with these ban waves and we have all store bought and paid for games. (Not preaching at all, I dont blame the modders for doing what they do and in a way I hope they find a work around) I just dont trust that M$ knows what they are doing. One little mis-step and your screwed.
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BryanNH_3
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9. November 2009 @ 11:34 |
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Originally posted by ch3st3r:
That's definitely true; people don't like to man up to things.
Why don't the people in this forum man up and actually pay for the games!! People whine and complain that their console is banned, yet they are ripping off, stealing none the less, from a legit company! People complain about the games' prices, the cost for live, and the console costs, yest they forget that their stealing is forcing M$ to create sects of their business that solely are out to protect the property of microsoft, cutting into the profits that could potentially bring DOWN prices and make for an overall better gaming experience!
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9. November 2009 @ 11:44 |
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hey BryanNH_3
lets not forget the multi billion $ industry that is M$ and the fact they have monopolised the PC OS market forever, overcharging the likes of me and you for something that no one else could provide. Hence people take umbridge against it and choose to take an alternative option.
my heart bleeds to mr Gill Bates who obviously is a bit hard up due to the modding fraternity, if he'd kept the market prices down in the 1st place then maybe this sector of modding would not of arisen?? it's the old chicken and egg scenario i feel
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9. November 2009 @ 11:46 |
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Self-destruct sequence initiated...
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$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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