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Sony announces new PS3 launch date
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article published on 6 September, 2006
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) has announced delay for its next-generation console. The revision of PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system launch will affect the PAL territories of Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and Australasia. The new launch date is set for March 2007 and won't change those of Japan and North America.
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15. September 2006 @ 15:11 |
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I am not suprised the UK is a pain in arse for consoles the PS3 is one uping the region wars by having non regoining but I think they whole regioning thing since the SNES days have took thier toll on gameing in the UK and else where.
BTW you are not the only unhappy gamer I have "kepted" up since the 16bit days,since 2000 games have spent to much time worshiping the graphics god and slacking on gameplay I am a fps and RPG nut and both have suffered from it,Quake 4 is a good example of bland level/weapon design that makes Quake 1 and 2 look new and innovative hell Duke3D and BLood are still the most innovative fps when it comes to weapons and level design...
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15. September 2006 @ 15:13 |
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Yeah I can agree with that, at least!
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15. September 2006 @ 15:13 |
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Well each to their own Sam.
I just think you can't beat a full-on home cinema set-up.
A big screen with full DTS or DD in 5.1.
The first 30mins of say 'Flight of the Phoenix' with the sound whacked right up rumbling the house down to the foundations
(blessed as I am by having older deaf neighbours both sides!), awesome!
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15. September 2006 @ 15:18 |
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Deaf neighbours???? You jammy so and so! Actually a chainsaw and woodchipper for cutting down a tree woke me up at 8:30 today so I got my own back. Not as much as I'd liked to have done though. Never mind. With a TV and LCD of the same size, I prefer the CRT with standard resolution DVDs else the picture quality isn't quite as good with the scaling.
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15. September 2006 @ 15:19 |
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S'funny loads of people on this and other forums often comment on gameplay being sacrificed for superficial looks.
Pity you don't seem to be able to have both.
.....and yes, whatever happens I hope there are people able to crack the regional and DRM coding cos that is just one massive and totally pointless pain that has to go.
BTW on the avforums there's a guy selling US spec HD-DVD machines with 7 HD-DVD movies for £430 with all duty & taxes paid!
Very tempting.
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15. September 2006 @ 15:23 |
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With a TV and LCD of the same size, I prefer the CRT with standard resolution DVDs else the picture quality isn't quite as good with the scaling.
- Totally agree Sam.
Hard to find these days tho.
Got a good steer on the avforums again, bit of a lottery tho from what you can see there but I got one of those new Samsung HD CRT's.
Bloody lovely.
Got a good one (some people report bad geometry and some weird effects) but I'm very happy with mine.
Great SD & HD image.
.....and deaf neighbours is a little double edged.
One side isn't so bad, they're in their early 60's but the other side are in their mid/late 80's.
They'll not last forever, bless 'em.
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15. September 2006 @ 15:23 |
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Hmm, do I trust that? LOL
Not sure on the graphics/gameplay tie, I think Unreal Tournament 2004 comes quite close. Others beg to differ, but I enjoy it, and it looks good, and it doesn't need to much of a powerful PC to run, and it's over two years old! I hope 2007 carries on the tradition!
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15. September 2006 @ 15:31 |
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I think it's trustworthy, plenty of people there say they are happy and it's straight-up (I even think there's an extra if you mention a guy from the forums).
PC power?
Oh dear, that's one that's got me worried.
Have you seen the specs needed to play retail HD-DVD or Blu-ray on a PC?
You need, apparantly, a 64bit 4600 dual core or above (sorry I don't recall the Intel equivelent.....but their coreduo stuff is getting rave reviews).
The upgrade can't be put off too much longer I'm sorry to say.
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15. September 2006 @ 15:33 |
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I heard a 4200+ was the lowest one, and that's what I have. It sometimes runs 10% OCed anyway, so that makes it a 4600. ;-)
WMV playback is poor to be honest, I think H.264 may be better...
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15. September 2006 @ 15:42 |
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Here's a link to a test
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2006/09/08/hd_ready_pc/
but it's also worth bearing in mind that a lot of the playback issues you might have (right now with d/loaded stuff) may well be all about codecs, which ones you use and how you configure your media player(s).
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15. September 2006 @ 15:44 |
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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ or higher, Turion 64 X2 TL-60 or higher
So I'm covered, hooray!
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15. September 2006 @ 15:49 |
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Ha, right you are.
I'm making the most of my old AMD 2600xp+ Thoroughbred, it's creaking at the seams at times but with well set-up codecs etc it is up to the job, just.
It's been a fine piece of kit.
It'll never get anywhere near running the retail suff tho so a major change is looming.
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15. September 2006 @ 16:01 |
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Yeah my old XP 3000+ could get lots of work shifted on a good day. Goes all faint in the face of X2s and Core 2s though!
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16. September 2006 @ 07:32 |
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hughjars Quote:
with full DTS or DD in 5.1.
the ps2 did both of those with a suitable amp
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16. September 2006 @ 07:34 |
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Actually yeah, I thought it did those too.
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16. September 2006 @ 14:41 |
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SOmehow I dont see how the new DVD formats will require so much power,and its not going to run on Vister 32? coem one they are padding the reqs they tend to do it with everything I can run a 486 off board band and tis min reqs are a 300Mhz CPU.
Somehow I dout the new formats will realy need it plus give it a year or 2 and free coders will make nice freeware codecs and players that wil require half the power the normal ones.
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16. September 2006 @ 16:47 |
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Hughjars... Excuse me for taking some time to post again.
I read your reply and I felt a balanced reply with some points validated whilst others I still strongly disagree with, but I guess that is what makes the World unique... We can't all have the same opinion, can we?
I scanned through some other posts... I did manage to catch the fact that you are into home cinema more than games. I too am into home cinema quite strongly. I'll give a brief outline of my set-up... (I wont mention brands as there are too many and they are not warranted in this forum category, but I will say I spent approx. $10,000)..
I have a Media Centre PC, with HD digital tuner, optical audio out, DVI out, ATI x700 graphics etc. etc. (more than enough to run home cinema).
My reciever has 4 input, 1 output ALL including... optical, coax, analog 5.1, component video, s-video, etc. etc. The main point is I can set up all my hardware devices to run through a seperate optical audio channel.
Speakers: 12 inch sub (150w RMS), 2 x Front (L/R) 240w each (consisting of 10inch woofer, 4inch midrange and a tweeter), Centre 60w, 2 x Surround (L/R) 40w each.
DVD player which upscales to 720p or 1080i (whether this makes a big difference or not I am not so sure). It also has HDMI out, although I can't use this yet as my TV does not support it. I use component video instead.
My TV is probably the only thing outdated as it is still tube driven (what?? haha)... Although it is an 80cm, and has component video in. To be honest it has brilliant colour and sharpness and for the time being I am happy (I mean it's only about 12 months old, it's just not a flat panel).
Ok now onto the point of my post... All my home theatre components are connected through component video and optical audio, including my PS2 (I bought a component cable)... So how can the quality be any less then a DVD player connected the exact same way?
I mean it certainly can't be a hardware issue as anything these days has more than enough power to run a DVD with no problem.
You mentioned DTS and Dolby 5.1... But when you are connecting through optical (or any other digital connection) the hardware is no longer decoding the audio, the reciever is! Anyway the PS2 does have an on board DTS and Dolby decoder, so I am not sure what your exact point is but to me the quality can't be any less than a stand alone DVD player.
I do tend to agree with you that a stand alone is better though. I mean it is more user friendly and much cheaper to replace/repair. Although!! When the PS2 first came out this wasn't the case and many were using it to play DVD's. The PS3 will probably go through a similar market transition... Now, my main point is we are talking about potential sales and market appeal TODAY... Not in 5 years.
Yes, the format war is a topic which requires future mindedness... And you have some very interesting views which has now made me more aware of the HD-DVD format potential. It will be an interesting journey and I am sure a long one... To see which format eventually takes the crown.
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I found a lot of the games looked slightly better than PS1 but not a lot and there was a weird washed-out pastle flat look to a lot of what I saw.
Sorry... Did I read right? The PS2 has SLIGHTLY better graphics than the PS1. That must be a joke! I am not going to even entertain that idea.
I too am not looking to start any heated debate but some things you posted invoke nothing but a heated reply. One last point I have to reply to is more than once you said the PS2/PS3 is a Kid's toy. That is so crazy. I actually believe it's the opposite. Besides if that was the case, what are you doing on this thread in the first place?
And finally just to prove I am NOT a fan boy, I simply stick with what is best at the present time... These are the "games machines" I have owned since I was a tiny little hardcore gamer, haha!...
Commodore 16, Atari 2600, Commodore 64, Sega Master System, Commodore Amiga 500, Super Nintendo, Sega Megadrive + MegaCD (In USA called Genesis), Nintendo 64, Sony Playstation (one), Sony PS2 and of course a PC... There may be some I missed but that's about all of them.
I can't see any consistant trends there.
Hey... Isn't this thread about the PS3 shipment delay?? Waaa :P
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16. September 2006 @ 18:51 |
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Ryu77
a PS2 or any newer system can look off with ad cables or a damaged board,its uncommen it tends to work or it dose not *L*
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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16. September 2006 @ 20:37 |
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huh?
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16. September 2006 @ 20:40 |
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Ryu77
just saying that if a cable is bad or a system is half damaged it can look off.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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16. September 2006 @ 20:55 |
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With all due respect... You can't be seriously trying to make a point here.
Any DVD player using standard AV cables or a damaged motherboard is going to look off also, if it isn't totally inoperative. Which to me makes your post completely redundant.
It's just like saying a Toyota can beat a Ferrari with a blown motor... I mean of course that's going to happen when all 800kw (could be exaggerated...lol) is blowing straight out the side of the block.
I don't know what to say but some of these posts are going so far off track that it's hard to even remember what the thread was initially for!... Which is "A DELAY IN THE PS3 RELEASE".
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Ryu77
I know I know
hughjars said something about the PS2 not looking much better than the PSX,all I can come up with it a rare instance of bad cable or bad mobo.
if anything the PS2 is like the jump from Software based 3d to hardware based 3d for computers,there is jump between the PSX and PS2 mabye not as great from SNES or Sega CD to PSX.
SNES hop Sega CD leap Saturn/PSX skip N64 hop DC hop PS2 hop GC hop Xbox
SNES to Sega CD was a hop with CD you got more storage but the genisis was the liminting factor for its potential
the PSX and saturn are near even the PSX haveing better 3d the saturn haveing better 2d.
the n64 is a oddity had great 2d/3d but was llimited to carts and its sound system was not great not a leap or a hop just a tinkering with the tech of the time.
From N64 to DC theres a nice hop Solid sound,2d and 3d on a GD rom
DC to PS2 is not much of a improvement maybe a bit more power in 3d but in all not like the jump say from DC to Xbox
the GC and Xbox came out after the PS2 the GC has a bit more power than the PS2 but less than the Xbox,I feel it and the Xbox fought for 2nd place since the PS2 was pretty much dominate, Xbox havening the most power and potential but lacking the support needed to make it number 1 without a doubt, if sega kept to their quality of old and became a 2nd party to MS ,MS might have decimated the GC and fought the PS2 on equal footing,the reason I say this is the Xbox reminds me strongly of the DC the controller layout is a dead giveaway,if sega and MS teamed up proplery they might could have toppled the PS2.
And when I say proplery I mean by working on thier main titles Streets of rage,Phansty Star,SHining Force,Sonic ect,ect,ect.
altho I guess its best things have turned out how they have since sega cant make a game to save its life now...and I am still waiting on my Phansty Star Remakes >>
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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17. September 2006 @ 01:27 |
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Sorry, I misunderstood your intention. I highly doubt he viewed one with any kind of fault but thank you for your alternate perspective. I agree with what you are saying to some degree but you still need to look at all areas in the right perspective. Of course the largest jump went between cartridge based consoles to optical media based consoles. I mean you're comparing restrictions of say 8mb up against 700mb (CD).
You feel that the XBox is the most powerful out of this generations console. To be honest I can't say I agree nor disagree on that one... But Sony won me for this round and I am almost definate they will have me for the next generation of consoles too.
Ok... But let's look at the PSX--->PS2 jump. I'm going to try to stick with easy to understand facts that almost everyone can understand. I mean the average console owner doesn't know about pixel pipelines etc. etc.
Would you say that when the PSX came out a lot of people were impressed with the FMV scenes? I would say a big yes!
Now of course this was much easier to do when you're suddenly using media 50 to 100 times the capacity of the previous gen (I know Sega had CD, and others like Neo-Geo, PC engine etc. but to be honest they nowhere near maximised the use if it's potential).
Now, the PS2's FMV had massive improvement over the PSX. It's like comparing VCD up against DVD. Again mainly due to a fairly large jump in media choice. 700mb (CD)--->4500mb (DVD).
On to sound, not a major improvement but some notable features. First of all a jump from 44.1khz to 48khz, second an addition of an optical out and also on board DTS and Dolby decoders.
Anyway I could go on and on... For those that can understand more advanced details, here's some specs from both machines. I would say it's more than a slight jump which is what I quoted from Hughjas...
PSX...
-Analog Joystick
-Controller
-Memory Card
-Link Cable
-Mouse with Pad
-RFU Adaptor
-Multitap Unit
-R3000A
-32 bit RISC processor
-Clock- 33.8688MHz
-Operating performance - 30 MIPS
-Instruction Cache - 4 KB
-Data Cache - 1 KB
-BUS - 132 MB/sec.
-Data Transfer Rate (DMA TO RAM) 150 KB/sec. (Normal) 300 KB/sec.(Double speed)
-Maximum Capacity - 660 Megabytes
-Features Audio CD play XA Interactive Audio
-Control Pad Two control pad connectors Expandable with multitap connector
-Backup RAM Two removable cards 128 KB Flash Memory OS support for File Save, Retrieve and Remove
-Serial Port I/O Link Cable Connectivity
-Main RAM: 2 Megabytes Video RAM: 1 Megabyte Sound RAM: 512 Kilobytes CD ROM buffer: 32 Kilobytes OS ROM: 512 Kilobytes
-24 Channels
-44.1KHz sample rate
-PCM audio source
-Digital effects include: Envelope Looping Digital Reverb
-Load up to 512K of sampled waveforms Supports MIDI Instruments
PS2...
-CPU: Emotion Engine 300MHz, 128-bit INT, 128-bit FP, 24KB L1, 16KB Scratch, 8KB VU0, 32KB VU1, 450 MIPS, 6.2 GFLOPS, 66M Vertices/Sec, 2.4 GB/s Internal, 1.2 GB/s Graphics, 3.2 GB/s Memory
-Graphics: Sony GS 150MHz, 1.2G Texels/Sec, 32-bit Color, 4MB (48 GB/s), 1.2 GB/sec Bus
-Sound: SPU2, 48 2D Voices, ADPCM, 2MB
-Data: 24MB (2.6 GB/s), 16MB (81 MB/s), 4.7GB Discs, Expansion 56K Modem Ethernet
(Source: www.emulator-zone.com)
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Zippy: I'm not so sure, my system really struggles with 1080p WMV playback.
Ryu77: Indeed, and I have owned a Nintendo 64 and PS2, before that there were shared consoles with my brother, a NES, SNES, Mega Drive (Genesis as you rightly pointed out for the US folks) and PS1.
Ryu77: I don't think there's any weight in an argument that the PS2 wasn't a leap from the PS1.
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17. September 2006 @ 09:12 |
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Ryu77 matey no need to post up a spec sheet.
I'm sorry you find it so hard to believe but really from what I've seen of the PS2 left me enormously underwhelmed.
Maybe it was partly down to the earlier games but what I saw really wasn't such a great leap over PS1.
Maybe it got better in time but by then I was long past games consoles.
Sorry,
Just my view.
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