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Sony announces new PS3 launch date
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article published on 6 September, 2006
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) has announced delay for its next-generation console. The revision of PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system launch will affect the PAL territories of Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and Australasia. The new launch date is set for March 2007 and won't change those of Japan and North America.
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10. September 2006 @ 00:54 |
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Assassins Creed Big PS3 Exclusive jumped ship and is now coming to XBOX 360 & PC. Grand Theft Auto 4 guess what? Yep Coming to Xbox 360
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10. September 2006 @ 06:15 |
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You know what they say: better late than never.
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10. September 2006 @ 11:18 |
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gta was that exclusive that the 3 best versions of the others are on the xbox. that was a deal that said they, rockstar, would give sony 6 months before they released other versions and that ran out before san andreas was released. it did give them time to polish the xbox conversion tho
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10. September 2006 @ 21:29 |
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I personally am backing Blu-ray to eventually win the format war but that is only an opinion...
To reference to a few posts back. Let's stick to SINGLE LAYER information to keep a measurable scale factor. I mean if you want to talk multi layer then that's whole different topic because the format is so new that NO-ONE knows what the future could hold. Blu-ray is 25gb where as HD-DVD is 15gb.
To me this puts them both in a very similar category as an optical media. I personally believe that the eventual winner will be due to which standard can invoke the best marketing techniques, who can contract the biggest amount of movie studios etc... etc...
It's not always who has a better product that wins in the end. In fact I have seen many cases where an inferior product has won due to superior marketing techniques.
I don't want to sound rude but I can see an awful lot of posts here where people are saying things without putting the proper thought and research into them. So let's all sing some wiggles songs, relax a little, humble ourselves enough to keep an open mind towards other peoples input and enjoy the wealth of information that this site can provide! :-)
Oh... That reminds me... Hot Potato.. Hot Potato.. Go Wiggles! See what you've done to me now!
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10. September 2006 @ 23:27 |
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Im sold!http://www.break.com/index/ps3_vs_nintendos_wii.html
Why is everyone so impressed with the size of Blu-ray? Gee! my dick is bigger than yours. So what! Its what you do with it:) And sony our limp in that department!
I had rather play a game than watch a hour of cgi movie - Thats what Pixar are for. The XBOX 360 is here NOW! Its got some great games out NOW! and coming soon. This will tie me over untill Sony gets it Ray gets his Blu finger out of his arse and drops the price too!
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10. September 2006 @ 23:28 |
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Im sold!http://www.break.com/index/ps3_vs_nintendos_wii.html
Why is everyone so impressed with the size of Blu-ray? Gee! my dick is bigger than yours. So what! Its what you do with it:) And sony our limp in that department!
I had rather play a game than watch a hour of cgi movie - Thats what Pixar are for. The XBOX 360 is here NOW! Its got some great games out NOW! and coming soon. This will tie me over untill Sony gets it Ray gets his Blu finger out of his arse and drops the price too!
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11. September 2006 @ 00:51 |
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So the core version will have Blu Ray but no HDMI? I wonder how many people who aren't reading up on this stuff on the Net are thinking gee I can get the core version for less but still use it for a BR movie player on their HDTV's.
Anyway I seem to recall in order to watch true High Def quality on HDTV you need the HDMI?
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11. September 2006 @ 01:03 |
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yep no hdmi, no hidef video.
the thing that i find intresting is the lack of magicgate, iv read that theres a conector for memory cards to go in to a flash slot but, how will they do it on the core system? backwards compatible if you want to start all your old games again?
also that the bat in the pad will last 7 hours and can be recharged thru usb on the system.
@nptwenty rofl that vid is ace.
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11. September 2006 @ 03:02 |
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nptwenty
the PS3 and BR have potential ,current games cant advance in graphics much more because of the size limit of DVDs without having to compress the graphics to death you get amazing results this is why theres something to the PS3 and something lacking n the 360,the 360 is built for right now,the PS3 is built for the next 10 years of gaming.
Altho the PS3 dose come at a heavy price and even I wont touch it for acouple years.
The WII dose have a mix of innovation and quality and current gen graphics at a reasonable price so thats a system for me right NOW
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HDMI dose not mean no High def video.....HDMI is the digital version of a analog in put so they can DRM it and make sure its going to a legit device,having HDMI or not will not effect the visual quality ,HOWEVER hollywood will start using its DRM in the next 3 or so years and knowing them they will either halve it or cripple it on analog devices.
the PS3 core and high end are built the same so both have full BWC,same specs but the high end has HDMI and thats the only thing that can not be added onto the CORE.
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11. September 2006 @ 03:51 |
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ZippyDSM is right. You can still get high def video from the core system. You can get 720p, 1080i and 1080p thru a component cable.
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11. September 2006 @ 03:58 |
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Well,
That's F#$%@*D
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11. September 2006 @ 04:11 |
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yup basically its free high def until they start crippling them with the DRM then I think it will halve them so its either 480 or 540 but knowing hollywood you know some will try the no DRM no play crap I can smell the BS coming already ><
but you don't have to worry about hollywoods DRM schemes till at least late 08 maybe 09.
For now the systems for gaming do do full High def same for 360,its jsut the high end PS3 has the DRM approved device,that being HDMI,and HDMI will guarantee whatever BS hollywood slings it will play BR movies fully.
edit:give me time to correct my posts will ya :P
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11. September 2006 @ 04:14 |
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No matter what the copy protection it'll be cracked eventually.
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true but with the PS3 being online just look at the PSP and the 360 it will be a game of eternal PONG with the hackers and the system makers so don't think it will be cracked before 09
unless of coarse you get 2 systems one to mod and one for online 0-o
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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11. September 2006 @ 10:41 |
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ZIppyDSM is pretty much right , thro hdmi theirs going to be a protection ( similir to macrovision) so if the audiohence dont meet the requirements such as using hdmi , they wont see completely the quality,, they will see hd but it will be more like hd analog ,,, yes they did this on purpose , i still yet dont know the purpose other then factorys risking ppl recording manuely thro hdmi as hd
everything gets cracked eveetually so i think its kinda of dumb but hey not everyone listens ....
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11. September 2006 @ 10:49 |
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NO HDMI on core PS3 but is there one on the 360? or maybe one on the new HD-DVD add on? beacuse if not they are all going to be crippled when hollywood does it. My guess is, for legal reasons they wont cripple it or require DRM on either standard. I know ill be on the boat of a class action lawsuit against them selling me compatible parts then changing the standard. There has to be something illegal about it, some sort of bait and switch.
"buy a PS3 for movies!"
"oh im sorry you need and HDMI PS3 for movies, we didnt say how long it would be supported, but you can make really cool coasters out of your new BD movies!!"
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11. September 2006 @ 11:33 |
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heres the thing tho the new consoles are online so moding them is going to take awhile with them formating the frimware,but on a stand alone player not pluged into the net this is how it works the DRM will look into its list of encrypted codes and as long as the device has the codes it will play newer movies with have a update list its a losing battle and whats to keep china from making device that skip or emulate such things?
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nope the 360 came out to soon to get the HDMI spec,so the 360 is flying without the DRM scheme hollywood wants in place by 010 or so..
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11. September 2006 @ 13:59 |
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Let's do some translation here:
"Ten year lifespan"
-Translation: There will be great games after the first year the system is out. For about 4 years cutting edge titles will be very prominent and fun. After the fifth year, people will not only notice, but mock how far behind the console is compared to pc graphics; and people will start to talk more seiously about the 'next gen'.
In most cases, this is what a ten year life span really means. And to say that the PS1 died in 1995..... I'm sorry. No.
The dreamcast had two games released publicly this year, but it is still a 'dead' system. I love the thing, but it is dead no less.
Some people even make games for the sega saturn still, but again, that does not mean that people still commonly use the system.
IMO, a system is dead when game stores start clearing the titles out. Heck, N-Gage still has games made now, but almost no store on earth carries them. It isn't the fact that *some* titles are still being produced; IMO it should be when a game system becomes publicly thought of as obselete. The Dreamcast, yet again, beautifully demonstrates this fact. Sega announced 18 months ahead of time, that they were going to discontinue the system, stating that at that time support and new titles would stop. Titles were released literally up until that last official week. However, it was at the time the announcement was made (and in some locations before) that the system truly went belly-up. Some stores clearanced it right away, while other stores held it long after it was officially deceased. Just because a specialty store still carries it, doesn't mean it's still an active system. I think a more accurate way to describe a system's lifetime should be to gauge when the system stops receiving an average of 36 titles a year. That's just three per month (on average, some have less, others have more, sometimes a BUNCH come out at the end of the year, etc). Really though, when it slows down past that point, it seems pretty safe to say that a system has run, and finished, it's course. I don't care if a company finally announces it's old system is dead; the ps1 has been dead since about the end of 2003. That's still a good, long, shelf life, but not ten years.
The PS2 was released in America at the end of 2001, and so far, has made it well into 2006, probably through a degree of 2007 as well, which indicates a decent lifetime as well. But let's face it, a ten year lifetime realistically does not happen.
Some people are arguing that the PS3's cell processor and Blu-ray will make it stay ahead that much longer. Given the nature of electronic hardware, it can easily be seen, that this hardware will not match up the test of time any better than it's predecessors or competitors. (Technically excusing the Wii, with a 729Mhz processor, because hardware is not, and never was it's focus.) Once a newer processor, card, or gizmo is released; it gets copied, improved, and revised over and over again. Not to mention, Sony has already expressed interest in using cell processors in actual PC's. Being outperformed is inevitable in this market, and it has been a quicker and quikcer process as of late. No one can garauntee shelf life, not M$, not Nintendo, not Sony. If they claimed an eight year shelf life, I would be more apt to believe it. The PS1 had a good eight year run, the PS2 might make it, so I could believe it.
I wouldn't expect any system to really be a 'good' or 'up to date' system for a decade. And whether a piece of hardware technically exists for a decade is really a useless bit of information. My Nintendo 64 still exists, but that doesn't mean I still use it nearly as often as my current systems.
All things considered, a statement like "Sony estimates the Playstation 3 will be in stores for ten years" is like saying "Sony estimates that the PS3 will use a tv to display games that you play with a controller" it's detailed, and yet useless at the same time.
Sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble. But it's a long rant with some logic behind it. I'm not anti-sony, I enjoy all my game systems, but I've come to learn that Sony's claims must be taken with a grain of salt. Those of us able to clearly recall the PS2 launch will also remember that Sony was stating it to be a 1000Mhz system up until about one month before launch. They also advertised a bunch of video intros; claiming in game footage looked that good. Does anyone remember seeing the trailer for FFX? "Real In Game Footage", propelled by Sony. Sorry if I seem skeptical, or anti-sony, but given their track record for honesty...... Can you really blame me?
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11. September 2006 @ 17:19 |
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Handsom is right about 10 year lifespan, which made me think of this.
The Blue ray will read faster, it will have more space but one thing people forgot to mention.
"Will it die faster?"
Im a sony fan but after 2 years of owning a PS2 the lens become dirty and it ages and it stops reading discs.
A.K.A (DRE) Disc Read Error
Most PS2 owners had this problem and the other versions of the PS2 that were released had fixes.
To those people who buy the PS3 on release date imma recommend you wait a month or so till feedback of other owners or magazines review the console. Or get it on release date and get a good warranty for it maybe Best Buy with a 2 year or more.
And another thing if you do get it on release date, dont tell your friends or else you'll have cousins friends and everyone in your room taking turns raping your PS3.
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11. September 2006 @ 19:07 |
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true true but the games still make the systems thats why the consoles sell,PS3 will maximize its life span because of the new tech in it it will go 5 years easy,beyond that it could go another 5 they always seem to find new coding techqines after the 5th year,what I am saying is the PS3 will try to have a longer life span than the PS2 maybe by a year or 3 whlie they work on a better successor.
sure tech reinvents itself every 8 months but the PS3 is built for a long bumpy ride while the 360 seems to be built for shrot trem 3ish years the PS3 seems to be build for the next 6.
the PS3 has the tech and the games to take its throne as number one but I wonder if the price will keep it down for the count.
the 360 is built reasonably for the short trem but MS has made alot of mistakes,the WII seems to be standard Nintendo fare quality with enough tech to make it worth any graphic worshiping gamers time.
we have 3 different company's going about the same goal 3 different ways its going to more of a hellishly fun ride than it has been i the past few years ^^
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11. September 2006 @ 22:32 |
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thats why theirs smart buying customers with warrantys.. as for those that were not smart enough to buy a warranty , even a ps2 back then was enought money to buy a warranty , heck if ppl r really smart they buy from costco you have lifetime return cash no matter how long you have had ps3
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Marsey you're right about the problem with traditional DVDs, it won't be very long at all before games will start to want more than 9GB of data. Unreal Tournament 2004, released in the year of its name, used 5.5GB of hard disk space, with a few modifications installed, that easily hits double figures. Yes, it may use a bit more data than a console version, but sooner rather than later, that trend will see the end of the 360's standard DVD space limitation and that will have to lead to cut-down versions of games on the 360, or all the multi-platform games being cut down to fit it, whilst the PS3 only games are allowed up to and possibly over 5x as much data.
With the HD format war, the way I see it is that neither of them can be eliminated. BluRay is supported by Sony and Dell, and HD-DVD is supported by Microsoft and Toshiba. None of those companies are going to go away any time soon, so I suspect it will end up being a stalemate. To watch HD video you technically need an HDMI connector unless you have a workaround, we shall have to go looking for some! However, if you can avoid the copy protection you can use component. The DRM will come, but we just have to hope there are fair usage rights people working to remove it before it's released. Usually the "criminals" can keep one step ahead of the game, but we shall see.
Handsom: That was an excellent post, I am in agreement with most of that rant, the liefetime of a system is really until it stops being bought en masse.
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12. September 2006 @ 02:35 |
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What is it with you people against XBOX 360. Oh its gonna run out off space soon. It can on handle 9GB. HELLO!!!! If a game is that big they simply make it a !!Two!! Disc game - Oh I forgot your gonna say " what I have to get up and change the disc?" (remember Final Fantasy?) There's just no pleasing some people. Nearly everyone here are saying its too expensive but, Blu - ray is the future. So like me your gonna wait a year or two hopefully the price will come down and Sony would of "yet again" Hopefully sorted out any faults ect! I only recently bought a 360 cause I had my doubts to.. Wished I bought one sooner. If Sony wants me to buy their PS3 they will have to bring the price down. Untill then Im sticking with my PC & 360.
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12. September 2006 @ 02:41 |
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There's no pleasing some people with an Xbox 360, hence why those people are buying a PS3. I won't buy stuff I'm not interested in because it's cheaper, I save up and buy something good. I deliberately held off buying an LCD because of the res, response rate etc. Until I found my current one which is good, so I bought it.
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12. September 2006 @ 05:13 |
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nptwenty
If studios and publishers gave a damn and put a whole game on 2 or 3 discs sure that would be fine but they wont because they are cheap it can be done and that would break the size limit games are heading for but they would rather cram and compress than use multi discs.
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The 360 is looking up but its not cheap still not happy with the current game line up maybe in a year it will be worth getting,I do know the PS3 and the WII are quality or at the least are more quality than the 360 but its hard to measure edicks with unreleased consoles they have to come out before I can be truly unhappy with them :P
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