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article published on 6 September, 2006
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) has announced delay for its next-generation console. The revision of PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system launch will affect the PAL territories of Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and Australasia. The new launch date is set for March 2007 and won't change those of Japan and North America.
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13. September 2006 @ 07:23 |
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as always great well balanced posts ^^ you make me think and thats hard to do :P
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therea a part of me that wants to say if the 360 realy had a full fail rate of 30% how the hell did they sale as many that first year with them having a low stock of them 0-o
I had a Turbo Duo and I have to say the it was a great little machine in all 1 main thing hurt the Turbo and that price,it had enough quality games to go toe to toe with sega and Nin but sega and nin could spam cheap consoles everywhere 0_o.
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13. September 2006 @ 07:38 |
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im off topic here (for a change) but does aany1 think that both formats could be successful? like blueray for pcs, more storage space, and hddvd in standalone players, lower price, or am i dreaming again?
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13. September 2006 @ 09:08 |
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I really wouldn't like to call that one.
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14. September 2006 @ 08:42 |
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Price will be king here IMO.
HD-DVD already offers a substantial jump in capacity and all at a far lower cost (at every point - players, drives and discs) that Blu-ray.
It also appears HD-DVD drives will make it to the mass-market first (and again at a price well under Blu-ray's)
I can see Blu-ray ending up a little like DAT.
There are undoubtedly some interesting features and welcome capability but nothing especially unique (excepting a theoretical capacity jump I can't see meaning very much to the mass-market) and all at far too high a price.
My bet is that it will just leave the mass-market cold.
I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up a niche product for professional use only
(or the preserve of the determined to be different crowd).
The delay in the appearane of a games console really is neither here nor there in this.
Neither the XBox add-on or the PS3 is going to be the critical element to this so-called 'format war',
home cinema and the PC OEM fitment are, IMO.
That's the only way High Def DVD makes enough mass-market sense.
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14. September 2006 @ 09:40 |
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I think they do. Over here, the PS3 will be £400, the HD-DVD drives are about the same sort of price and with the PS3 you get a free games console!
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14. September 2006 @ 15:09 |
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sammorris if PS3 is anything like PS2 quality-wise no one in their right mind would consider one as the High Def DVD player over a stand-alone decent quality machine.
That's where this is just so detached from reality and immersed in fan-boy wishful thinking, PS3, a mere games machine, is not going to become the 'standard' High Def DVD player in most homes anymore than PS2 did with SD DVD.
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14. September 2006 @ 16:49 |
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30% fail rate? I said 3% did you mistype thator misread my post? I'm not sure. They sold a good quantity in the first year. Another important note; the 3% fail rate was only applicable to the first shipment, after that, it was fixed before more dead units were shipped from M$. The unfortunate problem with this, is that big brand retailers like Best Buy and Gamestop chose to hold some (a very small portion) units at their distribution centers, and not give them to the stores, so that they could slowly divide them out over time, simulating new shipments, when in fact, M$ hadn't sent them out in over a month. This apparently led to a lot of confusion, people thought M$ was sending out tons of tiny new shipments, when they hadn't shipped any in a long time.
I would imagine on the east coast, that this could have caused confusion with people who got broken units, thinking they were just shipped, when in fact, big retailers had simply been holding a few more.
As an example, we received 150 before opening night at our store. After that, we received from distribution, two more systems per week. Barely a trickle. But it made it seem like they still came in sometimes.
Yes, it was retarded.
Yes, it was deceitful.
Yes, it gave misconceptions to customers, who got false hope of a new unit.
Unfortunately, just remember that store empoyees have absolutely no degree of control in this matter. I remember getting constantly chewed out because new units weren't in yet, as though we had some control over it.
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And on the topic of old failed systems.
Am I the only one who actually *liked* the Virtual Boy? It didn't give me headaches, and I rather enjoyed the different approach to 3D. I wonder if we'll ever start using static 3d again, it really makes a game feel like it's right THERE. (Same technology that used to power the 'Captain EO' video at Disneyland, lol. I wonder who remembers THAT!)
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14. September 2006 @ 18:36 |
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@ lard as lol sorry hughjas
when the ps2 came out you would pay £300 for a dvd player that had an opticle out and did DTS sound that was a major factor i me buying one. my ps2 was my only dvd player for nearly 3 years and i only got a stand alone 1 because it played DivX. i wouldnt class my self as a fan boy. right now iv got an xbox, ds, gcube, gba and ps1.
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it was more than 3% in the uk
we didnt get the v-boy over here :(
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I ment most of the stuff I have seen makes it seem like 20-30,altho I wonder if you add the bugy games that were not finished and just released if that made it appear to be more like 10ish% mmmmm ah well,the 360 in my eye is still poorly thought out.
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Hughjas... You throw the term around "fan-boy" like it's only PS3 enthusiasts that are in this way of thinking... Yet you use such strong words supporting HD-DVD... And also state that the PS3 is and I quote a "mere games machine". I am sure that it is anything but mere. To me you sound like a "fan-boy" on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Fact: PS3 will have a HD optical drive included in the form of Blu-ray, XBox 360 does not...
So that definately adds to market appeal. Your statement about people not using it to play HD movies is rubbish. I am sure many will take the advantage of their PS3 by viewing HD via Blu-ray, that is until stand alone players drop in price enough to warrant purchase.
I agree with you about home cinema having the most impact in this soon to come format war, but to say consoles will have no effect is also a statement I feel is underestimating Sony's capacity to sell software. I mean come on... Go to your local store and compare the DVD section, then go look at the games software section. Aren't they similar in size?
I am curious though... You mentioned HD-DVD is cheaper in all areas (players, drives & discs). From what sources did you base that information? I'd like to research more myself.
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Hughjas... You throw the term around "fan-boy" like it's only PS3 enthusiasts that are in this way of thinking.
- Sadly that's what I'm seeing here all too often.
A pointless to and fro about mere games machines (whether they be M$ or $ony).
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Yet you use such strong words supporting HD-DVD.
- I prefer HD-DVD out of the 2 'systems' and I'm a little fed-up reading nonsense about how a games machine (of either variety) is going to settle this one way or the other, that's all.
I'm just adding a little perspective beyond the myopic world of consoles.
Blu-ray offers only a theoretical capacity increase right now (if they can get it working out of the lab we might really see 50, 100 or 200gb discs whereas a triple layered dual sided HD-DVD disc seems limited to a max of 90gb) but it comes - question marks and all - at twice the price of HD-DVD.
Picture quality is identical
(although Blu-ray has only recently caught up on this with HD-DVD).
Interesting that this gets interpreted as an attack on one games manufacturer and supportive of another.
It isn't.
It's got almost nothing to do with the squabbling over games machines.
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And also state that the PS3 is and I quote a "mere games machine". I am sure that it is anything but mere.
- To you.
To me as an adult man it's a kids toy, just as PS2 was/is.
Stick all the bells and whistles you like on it but it's still, at heart, a kids toy and at best twenty-something's plaything.
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To me you sound like a "fan-boy" on the opposite end of the spectrum.
- That's just indicative of how messed up this has become.
If you don't buy into the hype you must be into the other sides hype. Hilarious.
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Fact: PS3 will have a HD optical drive included in the form of Blu-ray, XBox 360 does not.
- Er, I could care less about the XBox 360.
I am interested in stand alone HD-DVD players at half the price of the stand alone Blu-ray players
(and, on pricing so far announced, also much cheaper than the $600 PS3).
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So that definately adds to market appeal.
- Yeah, to some.
My view is nothing like enough though.
The games market is a market of it's own (and one in which, as I said, Sony has moved from being bigger than the rest combined to largest minority share, right?).
If all you can 'see' is the ridiculous 'battle' between $ony & M$'s games machines and you're going to insist that this is the 'be-all and end-all' of the High Def DVD 'format war' then I'm quite certain you are very much mistaken.
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Your statement about people not using it to play HD movies is rubbish.
- Well if I had said that then yes, it would be, but of course that's not what I've said.
What I have actually said is that anyone claiming the Blu-ray HD movie part of PS3 is going to ensure a Blu-ray 'win' in the High Def DVD so-called 'format war' is fooling themselves.
Of course there will be some Blu-ray disc sales on the back of PS3, who'd be stupid enough to think otherwise, hmmm?
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I am sure many will take the advantage of their PS3 by viewing HD via Blu-ray, that is until stand alone players drop in price enough to warrant purchase.
- I have no doubt this is, partially, true.
However I doubt that Blu-ray will ever really compete on price with HD-DVD and, that being the case, my bet is that it will remain confined to PS3 and the minority of Blu-ray machines out there.
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I agree with you about home cinema having the most impact in this soon to come format war, but to say consoles will have no effect is also a statement I feel is underestimating Sony's capacity to sell software.
- Well I'm not saying they will have no effect whatsoever, that would be silly and absurd but I am simply saying that I do not expect their effect will be sufficient to effect the outcome, ultimately.
The PS3 'effect' will IMO be more than cancelled out by a combination of the XBox 360 and OEM fitment of HD-DVD drives into PC's.
But this will pale next to the 'price effect'.
HD-DVD offers the same at a far better price and the bit Blu-ray can do that HD-DVD can't just isn't going to fuss the mass market.
A theoretical max of 90gb v 200gb, frankly, who cares?
Like I said a niche market for professionals, not the general consumer.
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I am curious though... You mentioned HD-DVD is cheaper in all areas (players, drives & discs). From what sources did you base that information? I'd like to research more myself.
- Ok, that's a fair point.
1) The machines.
Toshiba HD-DVD is on sale now in the US officially at $399 (and that's through Amazon, you can better that price)
Note this is also significantly under the $600 quoted for PS3.
The Samsung Blu-ray machine & the Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray retail at $999.
(I'm sure you can shop around on these too but they are significantly more expensive than the HD-DVD machine)
Note too that there are a significant number of film studios (outside of $onys grasp) are either choosing to release to HD-DVD or to both formats.
2)As far as IDE drives goes that has to be extrapolated from what evidence we have now because so far Blu-ray drive is the only one currently out there commercially.
HD as a separate ide drive is imminent (but appearing in notepads etc now).
But we can do this reasonably accurately because the Toshiba HD-DVD machine is basically an IDE drive anyway, like the XBox 360 add-on.
The cost of a Blu-ray IDE drive is astronomic.
£528 inc vat here http://www.aria.co.uk/productslist.asp?n....asp%3Fid=23558
and $999 at Amazon USA here
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-BDR-101A-d...8&s=electronics
You can read and make what you will of people like Pioneers switching from originally producing their original Blu-ray only drives to new multi-format (HD-DVD & Blu-ray) drives, due soon.
3) Discs.
Again this has to be extrapolated from the information we know.
25gb Blu-ray discs are available (£9.99 at Misco) but HD-DVD is not (yet).
We already know HD-DVD is a cheaper technology using existing processes & manufacturing infrastructure for instance.
So whilst I can't give you 'chapter and verse' on every claim just yet I do think my statements are not unreasonable or exaggerated.
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Just to back that comment about Pioneer's new combi HD-DVD & Blu-ray burner up (it has been denied for ages); dated 1st Sept 2006 -
[ex]Pioneer will follow up the release of its... er... pioneering Blu-ray Disc recorder with an updated model that supports dual-layer media, it has emerged. And the company said it is planning to offer a version that can also handle HD DVD.[/ex]
[url]http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/06/09/01/1246238.shtml[/url]
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richo and Pioneer makeing Dual drives eh? neat :3
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Anything that sees folks covered and not left high and dry if one format folds or fossilises sounds like a good idea to me.
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right now I see things going like this HD DVD will be hollywoods choice and BR will be sonys only choice for next gen gaming since they kinda stuck their foot out to soon,once BR gets 50GB + a disc and tis nice and stable and all they then can bring it out as a viable uber back up solution but by then HD DVD would have more or less the same GB,BR needs its GB jump asap and frankly they are losing steam.
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hughjars, my PS2 is a perfectly competent DVD player. Bah humbug!
Handsom: The virtual boy, wow, I remember hearing about it (I don't remember it, itself) but it seemed a really cool concept.
Marsey99: I think I'm willing to side with you on that. Doesn't seem right to judge quality by region, but, well...
ZippyDSM: Not even I think the failure rate was that high!
Pihlis12: Ooh, hello! I don't remember seeing your name before! :-)
Ryu77: Well argued. The PS3 is by no means "a mere games machine". I don't own a DVD player, but I own a PC with a DVD Drive and a PS2. Until I recently got my 24" LCD monitor, my PS2 is what I used to watch DVDs. Most people don't have 24" LCD screens. PS2> DVD Player.
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your to forgiveing :P
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15. September 2006 @ 13:41 |
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Hehe, flame and you get flamed back!
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Sammorris mate if you honestly think your PS2 is a competent DVD machine then I think youy ought to get out more often.
Seriously, they're really rubbish as a DVD player.
(and believe me or not I've no intention of starting a flame war with you or anyone else over mere opinion and view......cost me cash money and that'd be different! :) )
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15. September 2006 @ 13:52 |
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Go on then, why is it rubbish? It works, it gives a good picture and sound quality, is fantastically easy to use, and has the ability to also be a games console. How's it rubbish?
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Go on then, why is it rubbish?
- Because it really isn't a very good DVD player.
A £50 Toshiba SD350e has HDMI, upscaling to 720p or 1080i (even if it doesn't do it that well), a quality component output (so good it even makes up for the HDMI disappointment), will play MP3, DivX and XviD and looks quite smart too.
.....and the handset comes with it. I know, I had one. :P
(oh and before anyone decided that pegs me as a Toshiba 'fan-boy' I sold my SD350e because it annoyed me over it's pickyness over DVD media when playing DVD discs I'd burnt myself and refused CD RW's sometimes too.
Toshiba also publicly said they'd never issue 'firmware' for their players so with that kind of customer support I have refused to buy another Toshiba machine.
Got a beauty of a Pioneer - £119 - as my stand alone and I run my HD stuff off of my PC via a cable until the High Def stuff sorts itself out.)
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It works
- Now come on, that's just not enough.
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it gives a good picture and sound quality
- Compared to VHS perhaps but not even a cheap stand alone. Really.
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is fantastically easy to use
- You mean it's pretty much 'feature free'?
....and aren't they all (to anyone even slightly tech literate)?
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and has the ability to also be a games console.
- OK, score a point there, fair enough.
But I have to say I have never been impressed by the PS2 (I stopped having anything to do with consoles after the megadrive).
I found a lot of the games looked slightly better than PS1 but not a lot and there was a weird washed-out pastle flat look to a lot of what I saw.
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How's it rubbish?
- I guess it's better than nothing but you can get a far superior new DVD player for £30 - 50 now.
Like I said tho, it's just an opinion and you know what they say about those. :D
You rate it, I don't.
But you're into games and I'm into home cinema I think our priorities are very different
(which is where I'm coming from when I've been expressing my view about PS3 and how come I'm not really that interested in comparisons between it and the failings you or anyone else sees with the XBox 360.
HD-DVD and Blu-ray are where my interests are.).
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The PS2 is a decent DVD player is it the best no is it above mediocre maybe maybe not *L*
Dose the PS2 have lens issues thought out more than half of its 14 revisions...hell ya 0-o
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Zippy, I just thought it'd be rude to mention all those lens problems!
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Upscaling or not, you can't make something out of nothing. Not everyone needs a component or HDMI output, and besides my PS2 has one which cost me like £5. I have to disagree with the picture and sound quality, Mine is excellent through 100W Hifi speakers. I prefer DVDs on my PC with my new monitor, but the PS2 is definitely competent, and fine for most people's use. Competent, just not excellent.
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