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UltimateZ
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7. June 2009 @ 23:06 |
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Just got a used PS3 60 GB and mostly everything works perfect. It reads PS1/PS2 games and DVDs. The problems is that it doesn't read PS3 games. Bought 2 PS3 games a couple of days after receiving the PS3 (WWE SvR 2008 & WWE SvR 2009). Here comes the funny part of the situation. Tried both games and it wouldn't read them at all on the first day. But the next day, it read 2008 but not 2009. Since then, it's been the same. It only reads one of the games and not everytime too. I have to insert it a couple of times to finally get it to read the disc. I have a couple of guesses to what the problem could be. First one is that the blu ray drive must be dirty and the lens need to be cleaned. Second, something else in the drive must be malfunctioning. And third, something else other than the drive is malfunctioning (which I think is very unlikely). I have opened the PS3 already since it came with no warranty sticker so I took a look at it. Got as far as seeing the blu ray drive. A couple of screws were missing but the drive cover was still intact. I don't want to open the drive yet 'cause I've heard you have to be very delicate with it so I don't want to **** it up and make the situation worse. If any of you guys could give me some tips or maybe explain something that I've overlooked, please respond it would be greatly appreciated.
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ooZEROoo
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13. June 2009 @ 00:54 |
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Im going to tell you about my experiences in the last few months. First I had a launch NTSC 60 gb PS3. It was a victim to the YLOD. Well before it died it also lost the ability to read discs. I listened to it and it sounded like the disc did not load right. I reset it, gave it a little bump on top, and popped a disc in and it worked. I have since acquired a Motorstorm 80 gig PS3. When it arrived it was doing the same thing not reading discs. I restored the PS3, didn't work. Well I listened to the drive load and it didn't sound right so I did the same thing as my previous 60 gig and guess what, works flawlessly. Listen to the drive real close. You will now what it sounds like between the disc loading right and not. It is almost as though the disc wasn't positioning right.
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almightys
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14. June 2009 @ 02:22 |
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round 2, i have previous posts on page 26 and after, i purchased from ebay a complete carrige and lazer, it worked for 2 hours, then the blue ray diode burned out, exchanged it, got new one, does everything except blue ray, and the blue ray diode is firing, so advertised "new", ebay seller yallstore, would not recommend, am returning and going to get a refund, then ill leave some feedback for this powerseller, hope this warns you buyers...
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Rzgrz1
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18. June 2009 @ 04:17 |
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Upon updating my PS3 system to the latest software upgrade, the system rebooted, I continued playing Modern Warfare until I began losing ambient sound and voice-com. At the end of the first match played, the server switched maps and my system locked up as the scoreboard fades out and your system begins loading the new map. There was no "loading" reference, just black screen. Could not shut down system conventionally, was able to hear the laser assembly moving along the rails repetitively, and had to perform hard reset with rear switch. After this event, all Blu-ray functionality (games as well as movies) loaded, began to play, and seized about 5 minutes into usage. However, CD and DVD/PS2 format media played as usual.
I first opened up my blu-ray drive and cleaned the lens, since the system initially does play the blu-ray media, I figured it was dirty, but I was incorrect. Observing the operation of the drive with the cover removed, the disk spun up, both red/blu lasers were visible during disk check, blue laser remained illuminated and focused, MGS4 launched, and 5 minutes in, the disk slowed and the laser assembly moved up and down along its rails attempting to focus until the laser darkened and the disk stopped. At this point, I began to look to the firmware update as a cause of the problem, meaning that the IC on the sisterboard is to blame.
To test this theory, I borrowed a working blu-ray unit from a friend's PS3 system (both with the latest software version), removed his sister board, and installed my system's sisterboard on it. I then installed the drive in my PS3, and the blu-ray functionality has returned. I installed his sisterboard on to my blu-ray drive, installed in his system, and his system now demonstrated the issues I am having. Ran a blu-ray movie through my system twice to test prolonged function, it performed without problems. I can now rule out that the firmware upgrade was the root of the problems, instead, it was a coincidental failure of the optics within my blu-ray drive.
To confirm the theory of the mother/sister board matching, I installed each sisterboard on to its original blu-ray drive. Knowing his was fully functional, I installed his original assembly into my system. The drive was not recognized, and dowloaded demos were unplayable, confirming the pairing theory. Both systems are updated to the most recent software, however, the hardware revision number stamped on his card ended in 01 whereas mine ended in 04. Based on this information, I cannot completely rule out that all sisterboards cannot be considered interchangeable. If an individual could find a sisterboard with the same hardware revision and (probably) the same software versions, it may be possible to interchange parts in this very unique situation.
Although I would have liked to pull his laser assembly out of his blu-ray unit and have swapped it with mine to further narrow down the problem, I realized that it was non essential. By installing my sisterboard on to his drive, and having blu ray functionality return, possibilities of any IC, firmware, or sisterboard malfunctions were ruled out. Meanwhile, noticing that on my original drive the disk does indeed spin up, that the laser assembly does indeed move about its rails, that the red and blue lasers both illuminate on my drive, and that red laser function is not interrupted, that the problem probably resides in the solenoid (single lens laser assembly) or even more probable, the blu ray diode.
My plan of action is to purchase a new laser assembly which would solve the problems of both the solenoid and diode. I have chosen this route because I am not certain what the particular component within the laser assembly is at fault, since it can in fact read the and play the disk momentarily, only that that the fault resides within the laser assembly. If out of stock, I'll order a functioning blu-ray drive entirely, and just swap out the sisterboard with my own.
I suggest to anyone seeking advice that if you are under warranty, use it. If you purchased your PS3 system with a credit card, check your credit card's T&A because you may still be covered under their own warranty. If you are out of warranty, call Sony first and explain the fault. Although I tried this to no avail, I have read posts of individuals calling and receiving a functioning system without paying the $150 out-of-warranty cost. Diving into your system may end up costing you more than $150 or worse, rendering your PS3 completely useless. If through your research you find that the sisterboard is the root of your problems, I would definately eat the $150 bucks because the time and money you will spend to attempt repairing this unit is not worth it, and you may still end up with a heap of useless PS3. If you can definatly narrow down the problem to your laser assembly, replace it with only the same hardware type installed in your system. A bit of information:
KEM prefixes indicate laser assembly and mechanism.
KES prefixes indicate laser assembly only.
400 series refer to the laser units with single lenses (pre 2008 PS3)
410 series refer to the laser units with dual lenses (post 2008 PS3)
You CANNOT interchange 400 with 410 series laser assemblies and vice-versa. You CAN interchange blu-ray drives amongst the various HDD size PS3's (40, 60, 80, etc) It is the same piece of hardware, as long as the laser unit within the blu-ray drive matches that within your original blu-ray drive. This is because you cannot simply swap out sisterboards. I will try to explain. Sony designed the PS3 system in such a way that each sisterboard is uniquely paired with the PS3 Motherboard. The portion of the PS3 that controls the operation of the blu-ray drive is located on the sisterboard, not the motherboard. This was most likely implemented to increase device and media security and increase the difficulty of creating any type of PS3 emulation. Because the sisterboard and motherboard are paired, you must always use the original sisterboard with any replacement blu-ray drive you install. Since you must install your sisterboard on the replacement blu-ray drive to maintain this pairing, the blu ray drive must utilize the same laser assembly in order for the IC chip on the sisterboard to operate the drive it was programmed for.
I hope this information is useful to anyone out here with these problems. It's a shame that such a wonderful piece of machinery that is the PS3 has had such a high number of its users all dissapointed in its craftsmanship. We are all loyal to Sony, Sony needed not do anything to earn our dollar. They created what we all wanted. I only ask that Sony delivers to us a product quality that justifies our $600 investment in them.
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Surfaced
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18. June 2009 @ 05:18 |
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I'm not going to quote all of that, but Rzgrz1 nailed it on the head. What he said covers the extent of everything we are 100% certain about at this point, and also addresses the best options for console owners who are experiencing read errors.
It's too bad we can't edit that into the 1st page of the thread since that's pretty much the apex of this discussion. Considering the current rate at which the hacking scene is reverse-engineering the PS3's hardware and the encryption on the HDD, it will be years before any consumer successfully repairs a unit by means of re-pairing a controller board (or sisterboard, as it has been called) with the motherboard.
Hopefully, others who are new to the PS3's disc read errors will see your post and get a good idea of what they are faced with. Big kudos.
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Cabanon
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18. June 2009 @ 07:05 |
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so, if you buy a sisterboard with the same revision number but NOT the same updated firmware, it will not be recognize ?
BUT don't it tell you to update your ps3 ? or because your motherboard is already updated, but not the sisterboard, the system will be faulty ?
BTW: has anyone tried to wait 'til the next firmware version to re-updated his system and see if it solved the problem ?
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Surfaced
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18. June 2009 @ 07:56 |
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Originally posted by Cabanon:
so, if you buy a sisterboard with the same revision number but NOT the same updated firmware, it will not be recognize ?
BUT don't it tell you to update your ps3 ? or because your motherboard is already updated, but not the sisterboard, the system will be faulty ?
BTW: has anyone tried to wait 'til the next firmware version to re-updated his system and see if it solved the problem ?
It probably will encounter some kind of error (likely fatal, perhaps preventing it from successfully POSTing), but even if you find one that is of the same revision and has the same firmware, it will not work because it is not paired with the motherboard.
As for your BTW, no, waiting for a newer update hasn't fixed anyone's PS3.
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Rzgrz1
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18. June 2009 @ 19:10 |
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Originally posted by Cabanon:
so, if you buy a sisterboard with the same revision number but NOT the same updated firmware, it will not be recognize ?
BUT don't it tell you to update your ps3 ? or because your motherboard is already updated, but not the sisterboard, the system will be faulty ?
BTW: has anyone tried to wait 'til the next firmware version to re-updated his system and see if it solved the problem ?
@ Cabanon
The drive will not be recognized because of the pairing built in to the motherboard and the sisterboard. If they do not match, the drive will not be recognized, and you will not be able to play any downloaded demos. This is the built in security that Sony has implemented by splitting and paring the system like this.
As far as the system prompting you to update, yes, this is true. But what if the system you take the sisterboard from was never connected to the internet, and has the original software installed on it? You will be installing a card with a different software update and this could cause POST issues for the following reason. I stated in my previous post that the softare versions would probably have to match because the software update may actually update the firmware as well. I cannot confirm this statement, nor can I contradict it, because we do not yet understand the PS3 operation entirely. With this information in mind, with different firmware in different parts of the system, the system may not be able to POST. Besides that, since the sisterboard is somehow paired to the motherboard, it still may not function even with the exact same hardware revision and the exact same software/firmware version because we do not know how or where the pairing information is stored on the sisterboard.
To answer your question about waiting for the next update... The fact that I was able to regain blu-ray function with my same sisterboard that was updated to the most recent software upgrade should completley rule out the possibility of the software upgrade being the source of the blu-ray malfunction. If the upgrade is not the cause of the failure, then an update to the software probably wouldn't be a remedy. The only possibility is a hardware failure and a terrible coincidence of timing.
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Cabanon
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18. June 2009 @ 19:27 |
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Originally posted by Rzgrz1:
Originally posted by Cabanon:
so, if you buy a sisterboard with the same revision number but NOT the same updated firmware, it will not be recognize ?
BUT don't it tell you to update your ps3 ? or because your motherboard is already updated, but not the sisterboard, the system will be faulty ?
BTW: has anyone tried to wait 'til the next firmware version to re-updated his system and see if it solved the problem ?
@ Cabanon
The drive will not be recognized because of the pairing built in to the motherboard and the sisterboard. If they do not match, the drive will not be recognized, and you will not be able to play any downloaded demos. This is the built in security that Sony has implemented by splitting and paring the system like this.
As far as the system prompting you to update, yes, this is true. But what if the system you take the sisterboard from was never connected to the internet, and has the original software installed on it? You will be installing a card with a different software update and this could cause POST issues for the following reason. I stated in my previous post that the softare versions would probably have to match because the software update may actually update the firmware as well. I cannot confirm this statement, nor can I contradict it, because we do not yet understand the PS3 operation entirely. With this information in mind, with different firmware in different parts of the system, the system may not be able to POST. Besides that, since the sisterboard is somehow paired to the motherboard, it still may not function even with the exact same hardware revision and the exact same software/firmware version because we do not know how or where the pairing information is stored on the sisterboard.
To answer your question about waiting for the next update... The fact that I was able to regain blu-ray function with my same sisterboard that was updated to the most recent software upgrade should completley rule out the possibility of the software upgrade being the source of the blu-ray malfunction. If the upgrade is not the cause of the failure, then an update to the software probably wouldn't be a remedy. The only possibility is a hardware failure and a terrible coincidence of timing.
its one hell of a coincidence because over at psu.com, 4-5 people claimed the same problems.
and thats the one who told it. alot of user dont post on forum, blog, or whatever. it might be alot bigger than we think,
if im right, its not the first time i heard this kind of problems related to firmware update. i think 2.40 was a fatal one too for couple of peoples.
anyway, i'll contact Sony once i get some money and ship it to them, will be easier and safer this way IMO.
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ISMusic
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23. June 2009 @ 04:14 |
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Originally posted by Rzgrz1:
Upon updating my PS3 system to the latest software upgrade, the system rebooted, I continued playing Modern Warfare until I began losing ambient sound and voice-com. At the end of the first match played, the server switched maps and my system locked up as the scoreboard fades out and your system begins loading the new map. There was no "loading" reference, just black screen. Could not shut down system conventionally, was able to hear the laser assembly moving along the rails repetitively, and had to perform hard reset with rear switch. After this event, all Blu-ray functionality (games as well as movies) loaded, began to play, and seized about 5 minutes into usage. However, CD and DVD/PS2 format media played as usual.
I first opened up my blu-ray drive and cleaned the lens, since the system initially does play the blu-ray media, I figured it was dirty, but I was incorrect. Observing the operation of the drive with the cover removed, the disk spun up, both red/blu lasers were visible during disk check, blue laser remained illuminated and focused, MGS4 launched, and 5 minutes in, the disk slowed and the laser assembly moved up and down along its rails attempting to focus until the laser darkened and the disk stopped. At this point, I began to look to the firmware update as a cause of the problem, meaning that the IC on the sisterboard is to blame.
To test this theory, I borrowed a working blu-ray unit from a friend's PS3 system (both with the latest software version), removed his sister board, and installed my system's sisterboard on it. I then installed the drive in my PS3, and the blu-ray functionality has returned. I installed his sisterboard on to my blu-ray drive, installed in his system, and his system now demonstrated the issues I am having. Ran a blu-ray movie through my system twice to test prolonged function, it performed without problems. I can now rule out that the firmware upgrade was the root of the problems, instead, it was a coincidental failure of the optics within my blu-ray drive.
To confirm the theory of the mother/sister board matching, I installed each sisterboard on to its original blu-ray drive. Knowing his was fully functional, I installed his original assembly into my system. The drive was not recognized, and dowloaded demos were unplayable, confirming the pairing theory. Both systems are updated to the most recent software, however, the hardware revision number stamped on his card ended in 01 whereas mine ended in 04. Based on this information, I cannot completely rule out that all sisterboards cannot be considered interchangeable. If an individual could find a sisterboard with the same hardware revision and (probably) the same software versions, it may be possible to interchange parts in this very unique situation.
Although I would have liked to pull his laser assembly out of his blu-ray unit and have swapped it with mine to further narrow down the problem, I realized that it was non essential. By installing my sisterboard on to his drive, and having blu ray functionality return, possibilities of any IC, firmware, or sisterboard malfunctions were ruled out. Meanwhile, noticing that on my original drive the disk does indeed spin up, that the laser assembly does indeed move about its rails, that the red and blue lasers both illuminate on my drive, and that red laser function is not interrupted, that the problem probably resides in the solenoid (single lens laser assembly) or even more probable, the blu ray diode.
My plan of action is to purchase a new laser assembly which would solve the problems of both the solenoid and diode. I have chosen this route because I am not certain what the particular component within the laser assembly is at fault, since it can in fact read the and play the disk momentarily, only that that the fault resides within the laser assembly. If out of stock, I'll order a functioning blu-ray drive entirely, and just swap out the sisterboard with my own.
I suggest to anyone seeking advice that if you are under warranty, use it. If you purchased your PS3 system with a credit card, check your credit card's T&A because you may still be covered under their own warranty. If you are out of warranty, call Sony first and explain the fault. Although I tried this to no avail, I have read posts of individuals calling and receiving a functioning system without paying the $150 out-of-warranty cost. Diving into your system may end up costing you more than $150 or worse, rendering your PS3 completely useless. If through your research you find that the sisterboard is the root of your problems, I would definately eat the $150 bucks because the time and money you will spend to attempt repairing this unit is not worth it, and you may still end up with a heap of useless PS3. If you can definatly narrow down the problem to your laser assembly, replace it with only the same hardware type installed in your system. A bit of information:
KEM prefixes indicate laser assembly and mechanism.
KES prefixes indicate laser assembly only.
400 series refer to the laser units with single lenses (pre 2008 PS3)
410 series refer to the laser units with dual lenses (post 2008 PS3)
You CANNOT interchange 400 with 410 series laser assemblies and vice-versa. You CAN interchange blu-ray drives amongst the various HDD size PS3's (40, 60, 80, etc) It is the same piece of hardware, as long as the laser unit within the blu-ray drive matches that within your original blu-ray drive. This is because you cannot simply swap out sisterboards. I will try to explain. Sony designed the PS3 system in such a way that each sisterboard is uniquely paired with the PS3 Motherboard. The portion of the PS3 that controls the operation of the blu-ray drive is located on the sisterboard, not the motherboard. This was most likely implemented to increase device and media security and increase the difficulty of creating any type of PS3 emulation. Because the sisterboard and motherboard are paired, you must always use the original sisterboard with any replacement blu-ray drive you install. Since you must install your sisterboard on the replacement blu-ray drive to maintain this pairing, the blu ray drive must utilize the same laser assembly in order for the IC chip on the sisterboard to operate the drive it was programmed for.
I hope this information is useful to anyone out here with these problems. It's a shame that such a wonderful piece of machinery that is the PS3 has had such a high number of its users all dissapointed in its craftsmanship. We are all loyal to Sony, Sony needed not do anything to earn our dollar. They created what we all wanted. I only ask that Sony delivers to us a product quality that justifies our $600 investment in them.
I hope you didn't buy a laser yet... This sounds more like a hard drive issue than a blu ray issue. A hard drive that needs to be reformatted will cause periodic freezing while in game and loading. Good news, it will save you money. Bad news: you have to back up all your crap
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ISMusic
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23. June 2009 @ 04:21 |
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Originally posted by Rzgrz1:
Originally posted by Cabanon:
so, if you buy a sisterboard with the same revision number but NOT the same updated firmware, it will not be recognize ?
BUT don't it tell you to update your ps3 ? or because your motherboard is already updated, but not the sisterboard, the system will be faulty ?
BTW: has anyone tried to wait 'til the next firmware version to re-updated his system and see if it solved the problem ?
@ Cabanon
The drive will not be recognized because of the pairing built in to the motherboard and the sisterboard. If they do not match, the drive will not be recognized, and you will not be able to play any downloaded demos. This is the built in security that Sony has implemented by splitting and paring the system like this.
As far as the system prompting you to update, yes, this is true. But what if the system you take the sisterboard from was never connected to the internet, and has the original software installed on it? You will be installing a card with a different software update and this could cause POST issues for the following reason. I stated in my previous post that the softare versions would probably have to match because the software update may actually update the firmware as well. I cannot confirm this statement, nor can I contradict it, because we do not yet understand the PS3 operation entirely. With this information in mind, with different firmware in different parts of the system, the system may not be able to POST. Besides that, since the sisterboard is somehow paired to the motherboard, it still may not function even with the exact same hardware revision and the exact same software/firmware version because we do not know how or where the pairing information is stored on the sisterboard.
To answer your question about waiting for the next update... The fact that I was able to regain blu-ray function with my same sisterboard that was updated to the most recent software upgrade should completley rule out the possibility of the software upgrade being the source of the blu-ray malfunction. If the upgrade is not the cause of the failure, then an update to the software probably wouldn't be a remedy. The only possibility is a hardware failure and a terrible coincidence of timing.
The only way I have found to get a sister board to work with a different motherboard is using solder and replacing the actual chip that holds the firmware on the blu ray board.
As far as I have been able to tell, updating a sisterboard in a different machine doesn't do ANYTHING at all. It can still be put back into the original machine even if the firmware is different etc. and still cannot be used with a different machine. Again, this is as far as I have seen.
Soldering really appears to be the only answer at this point, but I will keep you updated as I figure out more. I am constantly working with about 10-20 different ps3s so I have some play.
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ISMusic
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23. June 2009 @ 04:33 |
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One final note before bed,
Lasers:
For those of you that bought a new laser and it didn't fix your problem, you likely got a bad laser! It has taken me months and much $ to find a supplier that I can count on for more than either a DOA laser, or a laser that doesn't burn out in 5 minutes. All lasers come from Hong Kong or China. Ebay or not we all get them from Asia.
No matter what anyone says, NONE of these lasers are new original lasers. ANYONE that sells you a laser that isn't working will blame you for the problem! There really isn't a safe way to buy a laser which really has caused me much frusteration. In any case, Top Sheung sells a wonderful laser, but you have to buy mass quantities or they won't sell.
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Cabanon
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23. June 2009 @ 06:51 |
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Originally posted by ISMusic:
One final note before bed,
Lasers:
For those of you that bought a new laser and it didn't fix your problem, you likely got a bad laser! It has taken me months and much $ to find a supplier that I can count on for more than either a DOA laser, or a laser that doesn't burn out in 5 minutes. All lasers come from Hong Kong or China. Ebay or not we all get them from Asia.
No matter what anyone says, NONE of these lasers are new original lasers. ANYONE that sells you a laser that isn't working will blame you for the problem! There really isn't a safe way to buy a laser which really has caused me much frusteration. In any case, Top Sheung sells a wonderful laser, but you have to buy mass quantities or they won't sell.
what is that quantites ? is it 20-50-100 ?
maybe a group buy could interest people here.
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ISMusic
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23. June 2009 @ 13:40 |
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what is that quantites ? is it 20-50-100 ?
maybe a group buy could interest people here.
This company only requires 10, and you can probably also get a sample order of 3, once. If you can't get enough people together, let me know, I usually keep a pretty sizeable stock of them as well for repairs and refurbs, and should be hanging around the forum quite abit to try clear up some misconceptions.
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Originally posted by Astiri:
wow so many replies about broken PS3s
okay, so here's my deal. I live in an apartment overran by us college boys. I mean, we run the building like a goddamn base.
Anyways,about 90% bought the PS3 when it came out. I was stingy at the time. So about a month back around mid-February, my tax return arrives, and I decide to buy a cheap, 40G brand spanking new PS3 locally from a gamestop. It's all fun, loved the games I could play, fell in love with BD...good stuff...
But thats when problems arrive. I was playing the new RE5 about 4 nights back and played for A LONG time. After turning it off for a couple hours I turn it back on to watch a movie. Doesn't read.
So I get the same problem, call sony, go through the bullshit yah yah...anyways they don't want to honor the warranty because they believe I have "Stressed the console" by overuse. what the crap ever.
I find you guys and get busy dismantling it and sure enough the motor is not working. I figure I buy a new laser for it...
Only problem, I don't know which!! It says it is a KEM-410CCA (twin laser), but nothing comes up on a search!!! I get results for the previous 410ACA....
What am I supposed to do!??! I don't want to waste money on a laser that is not compatible with the drive...and I don't even know if it's just the motor....
few pointers please?
Astiri,,i have the same problem,,i to have the KEM-410CCA,,and cant find it anywere,,all there is the KES-410ACA,,and i to am wondering if it is compatible with my drive,,did you have any luck,,BTW i have a 80gig ps3,,you said you have a 40gig,,because the KES-410ACA is compatible with the 40gig,,so i have read,,
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SHARKEM
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I found this thread interesting enough to sign up
but im now worried about what ive read since ive just ordered a new kem400aaa.£65 uk
i too have the disc not even spinning problem.
i will let you all know how it goes and how long it lasts.
thanks for the info yawl.
sure ive seen 410s on ebay.
if all else fails we can ditch the drive.install linux and use it as a crude pc.
and yes FUCK YOU SONY.
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Cabanon
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12. July 2009 @ 15:43 |
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just an idea like this. would there be anyway to swap the BR drive unit with a Sony BR Drive or burner ? or unless someone crack the sisterboard, there would be no way of this. i mean, all that we need is a blu-ray drive unit to read the games & movies. sure there's the compatibility about it. all-in-all its a just lens anyway... maybe Sony take their lens from other Blu-Ray drive that they already marketed in the past or future...
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ISMusic
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12. July 2009 @ 23:36 |
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Sorry, been away for a few.
There are only 2 types of lasers. If you post your model number, I will tell you the type you need to buy. KEM is the whole assembly, KES is just the laser. To those of you that say you have KEM 410, get the KES410ACA.
As for switching out blue ray lasers and such. Highly unlikely as the cords will probably have a different setup as well. Likely a different laser as you said, and of course the sister board problem which no one seems to be able to crack without just replacing the NANd chip altogether.
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SHARKEM
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13. July 2009 @ 05:52 |
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on reading more about this i have found that many peoples problems started while playing online and coincidently on machines which are out of warrranty.
does playing online put extra stress on the br unit?
even worse could sony be using our connection to psn to cause these problems and extort money from us?
damn i miss cartridge games. most old nintendos and segas still work 20 years on.
isnt technology supposed to be getting better?
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yahaauser
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13. July 2009 @ 06:58 |
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divieno doesnt have the drives suprisingly.
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ISMusic
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13. July 2009 @ 13:04 |
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Originally posted by SHARKEM:
on reading more about this i have found that many peoples problems started while playing online and coincidently on machines which are out of warrranty.
does playing online put extra stress on the br unit?
even worse could sony be using our connection to psn to cause these problems and extort money from us?
damn i miss cartridge games. most old nintendos and segas still work 20 years on.
isnt technology supposed to be getting better?
Nah, to be honest, these lasers ALL only have a shelf life of about a year. It's only partially Sony's fault. In buying new lasers, EVERYONE is incompetant at making a br laser. Most KES 400 burn out in about 7-8 minutes. I've found 1 manufacturer that makes a descent laser, and the kill rate seems to be nil at the moment, but I'm sure they won't make it any longer than sony just because of the nature of the laser mixed with the usage and the heat from the system (which does increase during online play because the system is working harder, but still, just a coincidence.)
To Sony's credit, they did release the 410ACA which is worlds better. They still will fail eventually, but it is much more rare, and they appear much easier to find a descent replacement to.
Check our repair services out on eBay if you just aren't sure.
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yahaauser
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13. July 2009 @ 13:09 |
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ISMusic
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13. July 2009 @ 13:24 |
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Originally posted by yahaauser:
I got one from http://www.gaingame.com/ for cheaper than ebay
I have purchased from gaingame before through EBay. Two lasers I believe back when I was first getting started. Their product wasn't bad, but the thing that scares me about them is that they are also a part of y'allstore, which has sold me bad lasers twice.
I buy straight from a manufacturer now. It cost me quite a bit of money to figure out which manufacturer would send me lasers that would work longer than a day, and when you get a laser from a manufacturer that doesn't work, they treat you like an idiot and say that it is your fault.
Check our repair services out on eBay if you just aren't sure.
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yahaauser
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13. July 2009 @ 23:11 |
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How long did your ones from gaingame work, I called them to varify my order and they sounded like hxc chinamen. I think they just got a bunch of shit and setup shop on a move to NY
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ISMusic
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13. July 2009 @ 23:35 |
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Originally posted by yahaauser:
How long did your ones from gaingame work, I called them to varify my order and they sounded like hxc chinamen. I think they just got a bunch of shit and setup shop on a move to NY
That is exactly what they did lol. All of my lasers and anyone elses lasers come from China.
As for the length of operation, I don't know yet. I haven't gotten a complaint about them yet and it has been 2 months or so since I have used those ones in a machine. USUALLY if they make it the first 20 hours of off and on play they are going to be good for awhile. I say usually because I did have one die at like hour 21, but I don't test them all THAT thoroughly. Usually about a couple boots and a couple hours is all you need to know before you shut the case on it.
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