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How do u make BitTorrent download faster? i have been searching the answer for days.
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trakmaser
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9. January 2006 @ 11:56 |
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yo I need major help with bitlord im trying to download a 4gig game (yeah its big but listen) but I only getting download speeds of 1-2kbp/s and upload speeds of ...0! please help me soon!
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biggermac
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trakmaser (Newbie) wrote: yo I need major help with bitlord im trying to download a 4gig game (yeah its big but listen) but I only getting download speeds of 1-2kbp/s and upload speeds of ...0! please help me soon!
Holy bleeding sores! Your question is understandable, but it could be a multitude of things. When you ask questions in any forum, you need to post as much information as you can. People reading this do not even know your level of understanding (have you used it succesfully before?) You should have posted the following plus anything else you could think of: What you have tried, what modem type, what speed you are capable of (upload and download), Operating system (version of windows), how many people were in the torrent circle you were in (how many peers and seeds), what firewall program, are you in a home network (do you connect to a router or connect directly into a modem), Does BitLord give you a hint of what is going on (Programs like BitTornado which I use, and Azureas have a colored light warning system - yellow means a firewall problem), etc...
I'll repost the following once again and hopefully you can solve your problem.
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General Torrent Programs guideline.
This should cover most questions or problems you are having. I am not an expert. This is just from observations and from reading posts.
(1) What program to use
Use a torrent program that implements a colored light system (or other system) that informs you of status as you download. The two I know that use a colored light system (I am sure there are others) are BitTornado (I use) and Azureus. This is because most problems are a firewall problem and the user will have a yellow light - you want a green light.
(2) Firewall.
A firewall is a blocker or filter. You can send stuff outbound (upload), however they will block most ports for incoming (think of a port as a hole for stuff to get in and go out). Firewalls are now necessary because there is so much evil stuff written that is trying to harm your computer - it is just floating around on the Internet and trying and trying to find a hole to enter your computer.
Almost everyone runs a Program that is a Firewall (software firewall). But if you use a router, by the nature of it's duties, it becomes a hardware firewall. You can use a router and also run a software firewall, but running 2 software Firewalls will probably cause problems. Running a router only can be sufficient, but you do not get the bells and whistles a software firewall gives you. Example - For an old P3 running Windows 98 computer on my home network, no software firewall is used, the router seems to do OK as a firewall. And by the way if you download torrents regularly, you know they can take hours or all day, an old $80 computer like my Windows 98 one I just mentioned, even one at 500 MHz, is plenty good enough to download torrents so you don't tie up your main computer and have response slowdowns with it.
Port forwarding: this means open a port for incoming. So in reference to a torrent program, you must "port forward" in a firewall that port or those ports that your torrent program uses. Now you see, if you have a router (hardware firewall) and are running a software firewall as well, you must open up the ports used in both Firewalls not just one.
Now there is another way to open up ports. This is only for software Firewalls and only affects a software firewall.. You can just exclude your torrent exe program from the firewall. All ports will be open when you run the torrent. Here is an example - if you use Windows XP's firewall, click on control-panel/firewall, and you'll see one of the commands you can click is "Exceptions". In there listed are programs like Yahoo Messenger. You need to add your torrent program to the list.
Norton anti-virus 2005 .. Since I run Norton SystemWorks 2005 which has anti-virus in it, I know the anti-virus program itself runs a firewall, but it does not call it such. It probably asked you when you 1st installed Norton if it was OK to shut off the XP firewall (or any I suppose) and you probably ticked "OK do it". So, you've got to find where to add to exclude or ignore your torrent program if you didn't tell it OK before. (look for the "options' tab to be able to change/add things).
Finally on Firewalls and ports - don't use the default ports of 6881- 6889 (or whatever they are). There are 65000 port or so. Use a port or ports range above 20000. Me, I use ports in the 55000 range. If you only do one torrent at a time (recommended) you should only need to use one port (they call it a listening port I believe) and not a field of ports. At least it I this way for BitTornado.
(3) Download one torrent at a time (until you become good at it and recognize when 2 at a time would work better).
(4) never use any "automatic" setting.
For Example - In BitTornado by default the max upload speed is ticked to be automatic, so instead choose slow or fast DSL/cable which then will allow you to tweak the numbers it adds in the max upload speed box (and the max uploads or connections box). (See next for what numbers).
(5) You must upload well to be able to download well
Very important rule: The whole peer to peer torrent style network is based on people not being able to "cheat", meaning you cannot choose to not share in the upload process and still be able to download fast. So remember that you must upload well to be able to download well. The faster you upload the faster you'll download (in theory). I'd guess that most of us in the United States can upload at 250 Kbps (31 KB/s)either with cable or fast DSL. I have 400 Kbps (50 KB/s) upload.(4000 Kbps down). When I had 250 Kbps up I did OK. DSL speeds and plans vary a lot more than cable. Some people have DSL then find out they only have 350 Kbps download and 80 Kbps upload or something. Since dial up is 56 Kbps up and down (I think, that 80 or 100 Kbps upload you might have for slow DSL is going top punish your download speeds.
Don't think because you have a 2000 Kbps (2 Mbps or 225 KB/s) download rate or more means that you should be getting that when you download. Even with great upload speeds an average of 600 Kbps (75 KB/s) download speed is very good. Some really popular torrents, with seeds up the butt to like 50 seeds and 50 peers and you can get 1 Mbps download (1000 Kbps / 125 KB/s). I've gotten 2 Mbps a few times. Once I hit 3 Mbps and I do not know what was going on there.
Speeds will always be slow when you start out, and show a yellow light. You must get enough of a torrent to be able to begin to share before your upload speed starts going up, and after your upload speed starts going up give it a few minutes and your download speed should start to increase. You should get a green light after you have several people joined and start to upload faster (say maybe 5 minutes into the torrent).
(6) Kbps, KB/s, Mbps - wtf is all of this?
(a) Kbps and KB/s are vastly different speeds or transfer rates. It is not the slash ( / ) that makes the difference, it is the large letter "B" Vs a small letter "b". OK remember B = Bytes and b = bits. It takes 8 bits to equal a byte. Everyone always used to use Kbps (bits) and the ISPs (Internet service providers) I've seen always use (appropriately so) Kbps too. I do not know how B and Bytes got started, but now everyone is confused. Torrent programs want speed entered in KB/s and your ISP tells you in Kbps. You must convert to put a value in a torrent program. Divide Kbps by 8 to get KB/s. If you have 200 Kbps upload then for the torrent program that is 25 KB/s.
-There is one more step though before you add in your max upload speed into a torrent program.
(b) Torrent programs need to use some upload bandwidth to work right. If you entered in all of your upload speed into the max-upload-speed box in the torrent program, it I going to choke when it reaches speed up past 80% of that. A rule of thumb is to only tell a torrent program 75% to 80% of what your actual upload speed really is. This leaves the extra 20% to the torrent program which needs it to work well in. OK. If you know you have 25 KB/s upload speed, 80% of that is 20 KB/s. Put 20 in the max upload speed box.
(7) Maximum uploads (not maximum upload speed)
Leave this to 4 unless you know 5 or 6 might be better. (experiment later once you've gotten good download speeds). I'd say don't tick it up past 4 unless you have 400 Kbps (50 KB/s) upload capability, but (??).
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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trakmaser
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9. January 2006 @ 13:49 |
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thnx for ur long help guide. didn't help me that much, but i think thats because i no almost nothing about torrents. as u said near the top of ur message, u wanted more info. i will give u everything u listed:
Have not succesfully downloaded a torrent (first one)
I have tried port forwarding and changes my listening port
My modem is a d-link di624
capable of 681 kbps upload and 2280 download
windows xp sp2
1 seeder and 10 peers
trend -micro pc-cillin internet security 2005 personal (built in) firewall
connect to a router
and even if bitlord does give me hints on whats going on, all i can understand is the "connecting" or "downloading"
is that enough info or do i need more.
HELP!
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trakmaser
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9. January 2006 @ 14:01 |
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srry here for the double post but i took ur suggestion of waiting into the download (now in 18 mins into the download) and now the download speed keeps rising and falling beetween 1 and 10 kb/s and my upload is always at zero. every so often there is about a 3 minute period of inactivity then it picks up (well compared to what i got) and then stops again. also my U/d ration is 0.0 (dont no wat that means)
just postin more info
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biggermac
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I have tried port forwarding and changes my listening port
My modem is a d-link di624
capable of 681 kbps upload and 2280 download
windows xp sp2
1 seeder and 10 peers
trend -micro pc-cillin internet security 2005 personal (built in) firewall
connect to a router
and even if bitlord does give me hints on whats going on, all i can understand is the "connecting" or "downloading
trakmaser, I can probably help you better if you get BitTornado because of the colored light system, and because I use it..
http://bittornado.com/
Best to get the stable version.
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As far as your modem, the speed you have is very good because your upload speed is higher than most so yu should be able to download very well in certain situations.
But You didn't mention the upload speed you are putting out in the torrent. But for sure you need to log into your router, which is a firewall, and port forward the ports that BitLord uses. You log into your router using what looks like a web address, using your browser. You need to find out how. It would be something like http://routerlogin.com/start.htm . Those ports use in BitLord are most likely being blocked and you get a trickle even though outgoing is doing well. And you also need to inform your pc-cillin to ignore the torrent program you use (look for exempt, exclude, ignore). And remember, this is true in BitTornado anyway, if I change some settings, like change the listening port(s), it won't take effect until the next time I start up BitTornado.
I will point out 1 seed and 10 peers is a pretty crappy torrent. It won't matter much if you upload all or half of what you got, because it is minimally joined in. - If you are lucky you will probably only be able to download at 300 Kbps max (about 38 KB/s). Even if working well at that speed, a 4 gig file is going to take you probably 24 hours, and with only one seed - what if the seed leaves the circle? You can't get a complete copy then.
Try something else that is more popular. You can go back to the one you are trying later. But I'd bet you have a firewall(s) problem.
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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9. January 2006 @ 15:02 |
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thnx for the info i will try bitornado after my homework lol and just to tell i got 3 seeds and 16 peers now and it says that 80 peers are connecting. if u got any more help for me before i try bit torrent let me know. and just to ask how many would u say is a decent number of seeds and peers thnx.
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biggermac
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9. January 2006 @ 15:12 |
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I would never admit publically that I ever downloaded an illegal torrent. Don't name it.. Of course if anyone is looking in from afar i only have downloaded legal torrents.. homemade movie clips, garage band music, freeware games...
3 seeds is better than one of course, 20 would be better. If you had 3 seeds and 40 peers that would be good too, because you don't only get stuff from the seeds.. 3 seeds and 16 peers could be great or could suck - don't try to figure it out too much - I could download two files with exactly the same number of seeds and peers, one after the other, and get 1 Mbps on one and less than half on the other..
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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trakmaser
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9. January 2006 @ 15:14 |
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oh... i didn't no it was illegal because i thought that if it was hosted on a site that it cant be illegal but...
anyways i got bitornado now can u help me?
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biggermac
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9. January 2006 @ 15:22 |
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Yes sure but 1st try install it and try it out and let me know what happens - go back to the big file I posted. The program is easy to figure out. Choose fast DSL or slow DSL then tweak the upload speed box right there on the 1st page, and you could leave the max connctions box to 4, at least for now. Look at the port range. I'd change it though to like way up, like 57455 or something. Only one port is actually needed if you only do one torrent at a time (recommnded only do one at a time). Rememeber if you change the port range then you have to re-start it for the new port(s) to take effect..
Make sure you know your upload speed is really what you posted. test here in two places, one close and one far:
http://www.dslreports.com/stest
Set BitTornado (any torrent program) to 75% to 80% of what your true speed is. If your true upload speed is 400 kbps, that = 50 KB/s. But then put only 80% of that, so 80% of 50 KB/s = 40 Kb/s, so put 40 in the box for max upload speed..
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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trakmaser
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9. January 2006 @ 15:37 |
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k i did. i put the max upload speed to 68 it stays on black. now it just said could not connect timeout exceeded. its not downloading what do i do also what shud i make my upload speed
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biggermac
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k i did. i put the max upload speed to 68 it stays on black. now it just said could not connect timeout exceeded. its not downloading what do i do also what shud i make my upload speed
Timeouts happen. Try again. Sometimes the torrent is dead or doesn't exist. If it is the same one as before, try again. JUst so you know i probably only get to connect to about 2/3rds of the torrents I try, but I use torrentspy, a general torrent search site, which looks on different sites for sources...
Cut back 68 to say 50 (KB/s) at least for now. If you really have like 650 Kbps upload speed. What you put is overkill in most cases I'd guess... You can experiment later by upping this..
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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trakmaser
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9. January 2006 @ 16:02 |
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k i did that but nothing happened mabe just crapp torrent
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9. January 2006 @ 22:24 |
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THE STEPS TO GET AVG OF 70 TO 200 KB/S WITH AZEREUS
I've been using bittorrent downloaders and various torrent servers for about a year now since Limewire fadded out of the picture. I've struggled with speed problems in the past and I understand how frustrating it can be to get 2 to 10 kb's a second on a cable connection. There's various tricks envolving port fowarding and triggering that will help the less than average user to fix various NAT / Firewall problems for any downloading program. This 6891 to 6897 (or something like that) port bs is a waste of time I'm currently using ports in the 2500 range. I've notice that someone actually posted something saying its best to get a torrent downloader that has a red light green light feature because it deplicts if you have a NAT problem or not. This is fairly simple minded, any trick modification you find on this sit will not help until you patch your tcp/ip connection within windows xp.
1) This works excellect with XP SP2
www.http://digg.com/technology/Tweaking_Bit-Torrent_Speeds. Once you patch
2) For Mac and Linux users search for a patch that's desinged for your system. The patch sets your maximum outbound connection attempts to 50, (I used 60) and upload slots to (3).
3) Follow all the instructions on the website for setting up Azereus.
(this also improves speed with bitlord, I'm not sure about other programs).
4) Make sure your port is fowarded and open, search for port fowarding on google or yahoo.
5) Develop an understanding of some of the basic controls within azereus. "Show Details" "right click / avanced" "options"
6) limit your upload and download speed depending on your connection. Search for a download speed tester and limit your speed to 80 percent your max and around 25 for uploads.
4) check out some of the torrent links on my angelfire webpage
www.angelfire.com/hiphop4/espbeats.
5) Download at 70 to 300 KBS.
This patch is the only thing that will open up your download speeds. I frequently get anywhere from 70 to 200 kbs on a connection split between two PC's on a home network. this actually works unlike a lot of the bs you'll find in this section. If you do everything I' have described here you will se similar results with a cable connection.
PS it's annoying when people post irrelevant advice and bs in a forum where people are looking for serious answeres. If you don't know - don't answere. Ive spent months looking for this because it's fairly hard to find good info on the web.
www.angelfire.com/hiphop4/espbeats
www.soundclick.com/espproductions
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precise1
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9. January 2006 @ 22:32 |
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your getting 68 kbs upload speed and bad download speed for three reasons. 1 torrenting is not for the average person who barely knows anything about the computer or the software they use, 2 your settings are bad, and 3 the program your using is bs. How many people need to post the same thing over and over again in this forum thats already been posted a thousand times such as router config and speed settings like they pioneered the idea. STFU really.
www.angelfire.com/hiphop4/espbeats
www.soundclick.com/espproductions
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biggermac
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9. January 2006 @ 23:18 |
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1) This works excellect with XP SP2
www.http://digg.com/technology/Tweaking_Bit-Torrent_Speeds. Once you patch
The above link took me to someone's BLOG and this was on the page:
> That item was not found
Perhaps you meant to post the LVlord link that ups Windows XP's SP2's limited full connection from 10 up to your choice, but 1000 is good. ...The SP2 block was put in to help stop WORMs from proliferating. But before I used it I still got good speeds. I beleive for torrents it just makes it quicker when you lose a connection in the circle till you pick up a new one. It works btter for older style P2P networks perhaps.
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4) check out some of the torrent links on my angelfire webpage www.angelfire.com/hiphop4/espbeats
Top two links are torrentspy and iso hunt, both torrent search engines, and is what I use. I have never had to join any torrent website that wants you to become a memeber.. Which I am not saying is bad or good, I don't know.
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6) limit your upload and download speed depending on your connection. Search for a download speed tester and limit your speed to 80 percent your max and around 25 for uploads.
I do not get what you are saying here. What is "25" for? What is that? Limit your speed to 25% of your max upload speed for uploads? or to 25 KB/s? Or to 25% of your download speed?
You throw out 80%. You say limit your speed to 80%. You limit your upload speed you enter into any torrent program to 80% of what your max upload speed is. Download doesn't matter, leave it to whatever, as much as you can put, this is one case where using and "unlimited" would be OK.Quote:
I've notice that someone actually posted something saying its best to get a torrent downloader that has a red light green light feature because it deplicts if you have a NAT problem or not. This is fairly simple minded, any trick modification you find on this sit will not help until you patch your tcp/ip connection within windows xp.
Most of the people that post here are right out of the crib as far as torrents go. They don't even know things like a router is a firewall. Simple minded is GOOOOD... Plus your port range - Yes, you are correct, not a good idea to use ports 6881-6889 or is it to 6999? In any regard, those ports are known BitTorrent ports, and some ISPs just might mess with them just because.... But there are over 65000 ports. I've seen Azereas user post to use ports over ports 60000, and you mention in the 2500 range. I guess any will work but I'd go above 10000 at least.. I use ports in the 55000 to 57000 range myself.
My conclusion: It looks to me like you just wanted to advertise your website..
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...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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9. January 2006 @ 23:37 |
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hey trakmaser i had the same problems and it would take 5 days to get a 4 gig file but u need to let us know that u are using a router or not if u are use the website http://www.portforward.com/routers.htm i tried it to see if it would work and now i can download a file a 4 gig file in 5 hr ! i have to say now i understand BitTorrent now then before and that as of last week and i have been using BitTorrent for the last year ....
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trakmaser
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10. January 2006 @ 03:24 |
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actually yes i am using a router and i have tried that website...
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dougblake
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10. January 2006 @ 04:17 |
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Hi. I've got a 2mb connection using a Zoom X3 adsl router (had to set up a DMZ for the pc i want to run bit torrent as all ports were automatically blocked by router) and i'm using Azureus.
I'm trying to download a couple of files, after setting up the DMZ i get no NAT errors, and all lights are green for ok, but still only get download speeds of 2-3kb. I've got no firewall on the router but do have windows firewall turned on, but i have made an exception for port 6881 as that is what Azureus is using.
Any help would be great......why is it so slow?
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biggermac
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10. January 2006 @ 09:27 |
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dougblake (Newbie) wrote: Hi. I've got a 2mb connection using a Zoom X3 adsl router (had to set up a DMZ for the pc i want to run bit torrent as all ports were automatically blocked by router) and i'm using Azureus.
I'm trying to download a couple of files, after setting up the DMZ i get no NAT errors, and all lights are green for ok, but still only get download speeds of 2-3kb. I've got no firewall on the router but do have windows firewall turned on, but i have made an exception for port 6881 as that is what Azureus is using.
Any help would be great......why is it so slow?
Did you wait like 10 or 15 minutes before you decided you were stuck at 2-3kb download? (Is that 2-3 KB/s or 2-3 Kbps? - one is 8 times faster than the other). It takes time to get going - at 1st yo have nothing to share, so you are "punished", and until you get a good enough chunk to share your speed will stay low.
Sometimes it takes you to get 25% of of a torrent before the speed really starts to fly (if the circle is well peered and seeded you can get 1 Mbps, which is the same as 1000 Kbps or 125 KB/s) or even 2 Mbps.. But if you can get 500 or 600 Kbps (75 KB/s) you have to be content..
And did you properly set your upload speed? Rememeber you are dealing in KB/s and not Kbps when it comes to torrent programs..
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Now let me say - anyone using a router and has tried a few things like the above (trackmaser you too), needs to narrow down possible problems. So, temporarily disable your home network - unplug the router from the modem, and plug your computer right into the modem. Then go and retrieve a popular torrent.
Whatever the result, you have narrwed down the possibles..
If it still doesn't work, well, I have heard some modems, some DSL modems only thus far, also must be logged into and change something around in the default settings, just like a router would have to have done with some port forwarding..
Canadians on a certain ISP (or ISPs??) must use a specific port (look back several pages I beleive it was mentioned).
Australians - I don't know that any can do the torrent thing very well, I've seen several post with problems but I haven't seen anyone say problem solved.
Finally - try more than one torrent before you decide you have problems.. There are some bogus torrentws out there - purposely made to hinder downloaders..
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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10. January 2006 @ 10:51 |
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i understand that if the torrent is well seeded that it will go faster... does that mean that if i seed it it will go fast er and if so how do u seed it?
download progress: 70.8mb;1.1%
u/d ratio: 1.7
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To seed it just leave it active (uploading) for as long as you can. This will vastly improve your ratio. Try and seed when you aren't using your puter - Then it won't be consuming bandwidth when you are.
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10. January 2006 @ 11:52 |
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how do u seed when u dont use ur computer... like dont u need to use ur computer to change setting or something?
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> how do u seed when u dont use ur computer... like dont u need to
> use ur computer to change setting or something?
You become a seed I guess when your copy is complete. By staying connected after you have a full copy you help out.. If you are joining torrent circles that look at you ratio before you can join (upload ratio vs download ratio) by staying as a seed you help out this ratio. In other words he was implying that you don't shut off your computer when finished with a torrent - stay in the network circle and you leave the computer on when you'd normally shut it off and do something else.
To be the very 1st seed and start up the tracker I do not know the process involved.
What was mentioned about not using your computer vs using it was because it slows you way down plus you might be surfing too and such and be sluggish. But if you are a regular torrent retriever, a $80 used P3 - even a older 450 MHz and using Win 98 SE, is fast enough to do the job. Then at a convenient time you transfer the torrent to your main computer.
--- once the dual core computers get popular, if you get one, you shouldn't get sluggish anymore when doing several different intensive things at the same time.
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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trakmaser
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10. January 2006 @ 14:06 |
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ok... just a question when my torrent finally finishes (1.3%!) do i need to transfer it to my computer or is it already there in the selected download directory?
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11. January 2006 @ 10:28 |
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i'hv got the answer to all your troubles..
few months ago i hav trouble dling with bt..
but then again
i cant be F*^# explaining y xD
anyways
download shareaza
open your bittorent file with it
goto Tools, Shareaza settings, Connections,
then change the port to 6881
i was running at 1kbps but after i changed it, my speed boosted up to 200kbps *drOooOooL*
LMAO im out guys, hav funn reading this forum
mwahahahah
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