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10. June 2004 @ 08:06 |
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AN32 Discs Sux The Big One!!!!
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10. June 2004 @ 08:12 |
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I have trouble believing you are a real customer. Where did you buy your media? Did you ever contact us regarding problems? If so maybe you could pm me your real name so I can check our database?
Also, how is saying "just admit you made the biggest mistake of your life and stop whining about it" or whatever it was, is not a flame?
I will not respond to any more of your comments on this matter.
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10. June 2004 @ 08:19 |
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10. June 2004 @ 08:28 |
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I requested that all information regarding me or my company be removed from media-help.net after I was made aware that Flash has very close connections to e-net. The test results on media-help.net were very good as a whole, there were one or two problems caused by hardware incompatability, everyone else was very happy. In fact I believe one of the people who tested them even stated his family stole the ones he burnt because they were so good.
Flash's test results were not even consistant with themselves let alone other peoples. He admitted to using sub standard hardware and he also stated the disks played back fine and had no read errors. Which as I just stated was completely inconsistant with the speed graphs he did.
If you purchased disks off my website, then tell me your name so I can confirm who you are.
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10. June 2004 @ 09:54 |
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dude what is your company pm me.
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LBH
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10. June 2004 @ 10:11 |
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I have with interest been reading the posts here about NakedGeek DVD's.
I'm running a business and have bought alot of DVD's from NakedGeek, and so far no one has had any complaints about the media. They have worked whithout any problems in a variety of burners.
NEC-1300A,NEC-2500A,SONY DRU-500AX Pioneer 106,107, Plextor 708A. And soon i will test them on the brand new NEC-2510A.
All DVD burners had the latest official Firmwares installed, no hacked ones...
All media played whithout any problems in both PC-DVD readers as in a multiple of stand alones tested.
A couple of friends tested them on Playstation and PS2 consoles and they reported no failures either.
So to end this up. I can "HIGHLY" recomend theese discs.
Best regards
LBH
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10. June 2004 @ 10:14 |
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I have been contacted by several people about this thread and the defamatory references to myself and the allegeably unfair review I did on the Naked-Geek media so I will reproduce it here for consideration by all the users as to whether I produced an unfair review. Before this review was published I was contacted by Paladine stating that I was not doing my tests correctly and perhaps if I changed my Hardware to something that could read the AN32 media better I would be able to produce a more favourable review. I declined to swing the results in his favour.
Below is my review UNEXPURGATED
NAKED-GEEK PRINTABLE 4X SPEED
00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0E 15 .L...@....R.....
98 9A 90 00 03 41 4E 33 32 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 .....AN32.......
00 00 00 00 05 CC C0 00 00 00 01 00 06 0B 10 11 ................
87 78 80 00 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 06 17 0D .X..............
0F 0B 0B 00 09 98 08 0F 0B 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 ................
00 00 10 00 0B 06 1C 13 A8 88 65 00 0C 98 9A 88 ..........E.....
80 00 00 00 0D 00 00 D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
The discs I received were in a 25 cake tub that was not shrink wrapped and was oversize and there was no packing on top of the discs enabling these discs to move around inside the tub. The discs have a printable surface and this surface covers almost the whole of the disc surface. The underside of the disc the dye is a mauve colour and is evenly distributed, there were minor scuff marks on most of the discs around the rim and I put this down to the loosely packed tubs. The inner rim is silver with a small innermost ring that is clear but opaque with the surface coating on the topside.
I burnt the first test burn with my Pioneer 107 with firmware1.13 at 4x speed and attempted playback in my fussy Mustek DVD player. The film froze at 59secs and continued to stick about 10 times during the first 5mins playback. After about 10 mins the playback smoothed out but chapter skipping is slow and sticky and was totally unwatchable after 45mins due to constant freezing. I tried this same disc in my Tatung player and playback was fine up to about 75% when again it started to freeze but it did manage to play to the end. Checking with my other players the playback of this disc was OK so it will probably be OK for the majority of the newer players.
I did speed test in my Toshiba SD-M1712 and the results were a very erratic read but there were no read errors. KProbe tests showed fairly high PI errors peaking towards the outer edge with fairly low PO errors but these also peaked towards the outer edge.
Although the KProbe errors were high in my opinion they were well within the accepted tolerances laid down in the specification that can be viewed or downloaded Here :-http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ecma-st/ECMA-338.pdf I tested this disc at 4x speed burn in my Pioneer 105. 106 & 107 and also tested the burn at 8x speed with the patched firmware on the 107.
All the 4x speed burns were consistent with only minor differences between burns but the 8x speed burn showed a much more unstable graph and the KProbe tests showed up a lot more errors. Playback of all the discs tended to freeze around the 3gig point in my Mustek player and one Disney backup would not play at all in it and was reluctant to start in my Tatung, the reason for this is because of the complex way the VOB structure is arranged in the Disney Movies giving the player difficulty in navigating the files prior to starting the movie. I only tested burning these discs so far in my main Pioneer drives as I feel that these drives have always given me the best results from all media.
These are the graphs I am referring to and I have included at the bottom graphs from the current BULKPAQ PRODISCS03 4X speed printable media and a six month old Princo 4X white top media for comparison
ALL GRAPHS WERE DONE ON THE SAME TWO READERS WITH THE SAME SETTINGS AND THESE ARE THE SETTINGS I ALWAYS USE FOR MY TESTS SO THAT I HAVE A DIRECT VISUAL COMPARISON BETWEEN MEDIA
Burn with Pioneer 105 at 4x speed
Burn with Pioneer 106 at 4x speed
Burn with Pioneer 107 at 4x speed
Burn with Pioneer 107 at 8x speed
BULKPAQ PRODISCS03 4x speed PRINTABLE
Princo 4x speed
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10. June 2004 @ 10:25 |
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I thought you said it was the original review Flash? It certainly is not the original review at all, you tol me that originally you were not using the 1.13 Firmware on the pioneer 107. Also yet again you have failed to include the results from the GO5 disk scans, which for an 8x dye only performed marginally better than my 4x media burnt at 8x, strange how you neglect to include this, could it be because it was an e-net disk maybe?
I have told you over and over now, the toshiba dvd rom you are using to test my media is not suitable due to compatability issues. Nice try all the same Flash.
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10. June 2004 @ 10:36 |
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This was the original review as posted on the forum.
The reference to the G05 was removed at your suggestion, because you said it was unfair to compare your media with 8x speed media.
As for the Toshiba which I personally consider to be one of the best DVD-ROM drives out and a lot of other users will confirm this
BE WARNED if you have a Toshiba DVD-ROM drive you may have problems reading NAKED-GEEK media even though you will have very little problems reading any other media. The Toshiba drive is the best DVD-ROM drive for compatibility with most (but not NAKED_GEEK) media and it is second only to the DVDR burners for reading media
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10. June 2004 @ 10:41 |
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yo flash man long time no post
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10. June 2004 @ 10:51 |
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This is the original review before I altered it for you it has been retrieved from the sent items of my email as it was sent to you. It clearly states firmware 1.13
Naked-Geek AN32
The discs I received were in a 25 cake tub that was not shrink wrapped and was oversize and there was no packing on the top enabling these discs to move around inside the tub. The discs have a printable surface and this surface covers almost the whole of the disc surface. The underside of the disc is a mauve colour and even, there were minor scuff marks on most of the discs around the rim and I put this down to the loosely packed tubs. The inner rim is silver with a small innermost ring that is clear but opaque with the surface coating on the topside
I burnt the first test burn with my Pioneer 107 with firmware1.13 at 4x speed and attempted playback in my fussy Mustek DVD player. The film froze at 59secs and continued to stick about 10 times during the first 5mins playback. After about 10 mins the playback smoothed out but chapter skipping is slow and sticky and was totally unwatchable after 45mins due to constant freezing. I tried this same disc in my Tatung player and playback was fine up to about 75% when again it started to freeze but it did manage to play to the end. Checking with my other players the playback of this disc was OK so it will probably be OK for the majority of the newer players.
I did speed test in my Toshiba SD-M1712 and the results were a very erratic read but there were no read errors KProbe tests showed fairly high PI errors peaking towards the outer edge with fairly low PO errors but these also peaked towards the outer edge.
I tested this disc at 4x speed in my Pioneer 105. 106 & 107 and also tested the burn at 8x speed with the patched firmware on the 107.
All the 4x speed burns were consistent with only minor differences between burns but the 8x speed burn showed a much more unstable graph and the KProbe tests showed up a lot more errors. Playback of all the discs tended to freeze around the 3gig point in my Mustek player and one Disney backup would not play at all in it and was reluctant to start in my Tatung, the reason for this is because of the complex way the VOB structure is arranged in the Disney Movies giving the player difficulty in navigating the files prior to starting the movie. I only tested these discs so far in my main Pioneer drives as I feel that these drives have always given me the best results from all media.
These are the graphs I am referring to and I have included at the bottom graphs from RITEKG05 8X speed media and Princo 4X media for comparison
Burn with Pioneer 105 at 4x speed
Burn with Pioneer 106 at 4x speed
Burn with Pioneer 107 at 4x speed
Burn with Pioneer 107 at 8x speed
Datasafe RITEKG05 8x speed
Princo 4x speed
And this was the main part of your reply in case you forgot
Firstly do you have any other dvdrom other than that toshiba to do the speed tests with? I think tubby did his speed tests on a toshiba and had similar results, it may just be a compatability issue, they are not consistant with results from my own tests and from customers.
Secondly, as for the playback on the old players, I can only suggest again, that this is down to a compatability issue with the media ID code.
Also, I don;t know if you are aware of this, but Ritek G05 is an 8x dye, or at least the only G05 disks I have seen are 8x, my disks are 4x. All that aside the PO errors were very good on all the scans well within international standards.
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10. June 2004 @ 10:52 |
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I never requested you to remove the g05 scans at all, why do you lie? I pointed out that g05 is an 8x dye, nothing more. I was very happy with the G05 results being posted. Also note the amount of tests you did on my media on multiple burners, then you post one comparison on a bulkpaq (which I am sure many people will agree is a bulkpaq result that is alien to most users of bulkpaq as bulkpaq is one of the most complained about media's available) on one burner and some random speed test on a Princo.
For a reviewer you are not very good, you have no regard for what makes a valid test environment and as previously stated your results are not EVEN consistant with each other. Speed tests should be done across a range of drives and comparison tests should be done on the same equipment. Lots of people refuse to question you integrity, I don't, you are a liar it is simple. If you test media in this fashion then none of your tests to date are valid. If you want to try and set yourself up as some sort of authority, do it properly.
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10. June 2004 @ 11:03 |
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Look mate you sent the discs to me for testing knowing the way I was going to test them. I refuse to sit back and be slagged off by some 2 bit reseller that is a newcomer in the market. If you don?t want me to reply then stop dragging my name in the mud
If you don't like my results them I suggest you did not send them to me in the first place.
Stop slagging me of for doing my test to the best of my ability & experience and ADMIT IT YOUR MEDIA IS CRAP.
It is quite obvious that your media is not as successful as you make out or you would not be changing over to Ritek "A" grade of which I was one of the first to recommend some 2 years ago before you started in the media reselling jungle
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10. June 2004 @ 11:20 |
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You put yourself in a position for criticism. You know nothing about media whatsoever, all you do make tests on your equipment, a hobbiest, nothing more. Your tests are not scientific, they are not objective, they are utterly subjective and your affiliations are questionable to say the least. Your refusal to carry out objective tests is a prime example of this.
You tested my media and yes I sent it for you to test, before I was made aware of your affiliations from one of your own colleagues on another forum.
Also to say my media is crap based on your one set of results, is again utterly subjective, you are totally disregarding all the reports and comments from my other customers. You are one, they are many. You got the media for free and have questionable affiliations, they bought the media and have no reason to lie what so ever. Not only did they pay, they continue to do so, very very few of my customers fail to purchase again despite the fact that my media is more expensive than e-net's and for your information, sales are up and have never stopped rising, they are simply not rising fast enough, hense the new products. It is called expansion. I took the decision to add new products because of market demand. Whereas my own disks are selling they are not selling as fast as I would like, which means I am not in a position to lower the price, which makes it even more difficult to compete with companies like e-net. In order to survive long term, I have to respond to market trends, if I don't I will not be in a position to compete and the company will go bankrupt.
Reseller? No. My media is my own brand made to my own specifications, I outsource production like the majority of brand names out there, as previously stated long term plans are to open a UK factory. I am very serious about my products, so serious I even went out to the factory to inspect the premises and equipment and carried out substantial testing before launching the product. This testing was carried out by dozens of individuals all over the UK and it was the defining factor behind my decision to go with the factory I did.
I however, refuse to sit back and have my products misrepresented by someone like you.
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10. June 2004 @ 11:46 |
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If you did not want me in the equation then why bring me into it in the first place you mentioned my name & I came zimmer & all. The problems you were having on DVDrhelp.com had nothing to do with me I did not subscribe to any such thread on there. You cannot expect me to sit back and allow you to slag me off without retaliation
Perhaps when you start marketing better quality media your business will pick up and you will no longer be in fear of bankruptcy because of a 2 bit OAP like me.
Your own words were that if I published my review you could end up bankrupt is that the confidence you have in your media an OAP could cause you to go bust?
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10. June 2004 @ 12:28 |
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Who mixes up different grades, mark up extremely remarkable margin and finally dumps on market is not decent. How about the original manufacturer? Ritek sells all those different grades to trading companies (or even sells directly to the mixer) then all those mixed grades flood to global market. If there is someone to be blamed, Ritek is definately the one. The mixer is even "official" distributor of Ritek branch in Europe. Ritek itself creates this chaos. How can Ritek just get away so easily? Do we have the courage to boycott Ritek?
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10. June 2004 @ 13:10 |
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Sounds gutsy but as every man jack and his dog think the sun shines out of there *ss's well it aint going to happen is it.
As for you nakedgeek top marks for starting your own outlet but you have to understand there are poeple out there with money to burn and this is where it goes wrong datasafe as a company also use AN32 dye and have used AN31 dye but when it goes pear shaped they do have other manufacturers making there disks to cater for the guy who like's RITEK, PRO DISK, PRINCO, MCC, and so on.
We can all sit on the forum and point the blame at other forum members the truth is what one customer will like there is 10 behind him who will cliam its cr*p. And as a whole AN31/32 dye is seen as a very poor dye the only customers who will buy it are new to the game, as soon as they see how bad it is they will switch to Ritek or Verbatim
Chill out life is to short
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10. June 2004 @ 13:33 |
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Thanks God that many of other manufacturers improve a lot this year, no matter in quality(compatibility & stability) or quantity(new production lines). That's why Ritek lost a lot of OEM customers and had to rely on trading companies. Ritek quality is no more a "fair tale"-no coaster at all. As I suggested before, it's more important to stay with a reliable suppler who constantly supply you reliable media but don't stick with any particular manufacturer. Ritek also manufacturs "coaster" sometime, no matter it is "unsafedata" or "wrongdata".
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10. June 2004 @ 13:54 |
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Dave,
Actually the results on an32 disks in the past have been variable. Some have been very good some have been poor, the reason for this is the type of production line they are made on. The poor quality an32s are produced on very cheap production lines, the an32 disks I use are produced on one of the top of the range production lines in the world. Singulus are regarded as one of the top companies in the world in their field.
The proof is in the pudding so to speak, Flash's dubious tests aside, the results from paying customers are excellent. There has already been one comment on here from a shop in sweden that resells my disks who confirms this. Then there are the many reviews on my website which are also made by customers.
The dye is nowhere near as important and the production line, whereas you need a good cyanine organic, it matters not if you have the best stuff in the world, if the production line is crap. If TY started using cheap ass production equipment for their media, then the media would be crap, it is that simple.
And the fact remains, that my media beats the crap out of most of the crap sold by e-net, this has been proven over and over and over again.
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10. June 2004 @ 14:02 |
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If your media is that good you don't need to change over to Ritek you will have enough repeat trade to keep you in business!
Personaly I think changing over to Ritek to be a bad move in view of this statement you posted in another forum without actually offering proof!
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I don't know how many of you know this, but ritek do not actually make disks anymore. The were bought out by another company 2 years or so ago and now make dyes and work in research and development.
This is the reason why ritek branded disks have such a variable quality rate. Many many many companies out there are producing disks using Ritek G04 dye but manufacturing on very cheap production lines. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you are using the most expensive dye in the world, if the manufacturing equipment is poor, the product will be poor.
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10. June 2004 @ 14:08 |
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That information was given to me by Ritek themselves on the telephone. I have also been told this by other companies not to mention other people mentioning it on other boards on the web.
If it is untrue, then it is ritek giving out the false information, not me.
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10. June 2004 @ 14:14 |
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10. June 2004 @ 14:25 |
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As I stated, you are not a customer and have not used my disks, I believe you to be making this up. You have not provided me with your details, because you know damn well you will not show on my database. Furthermore, if you had had problems with my media you would have contacted me to complain about it, and you certainly would have taken advantage of the guarantee. You have done none of these things. You have never contacted me to my knowledge, so keep your opinions to yourself, unless you are willing to provide a name so we can check our records.
As for the end of my disks locking up, this is not the case and is one of the main reasons people return to buy it again and again and again because they are sick of their backups freezing and they are sick of their disks degrading quickly.
Anyone who wants to see real reviews on my media, check the following URL:
http://www.naked-geek.net/reviews.php
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10. June 2004 @ 14:31 |
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10. June 2004 @ 14:40 |
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Jasus guys.
come on we all know well I think we do that most disks are made by other obscure companys in asia as it is cheap to do this.
Example:Verbatim the dogs nuts but if you are in the know you will be aware that Verbatim no longer produce there own disk and have not since MCC sold that side of the company out to CMC, but the majority of there disk are made by MBI which has to be said are Sh*t to say the least.
Know you would be quite happy to pay £60.0 quid for 100 4 speed Verbs but would you pay the same for 100 Bulkpaq no I dont think so.
And MBI do produce disk for load's of companys out there as it is cheaper to produce a disk in Bombay than it is in Tiwan.
Ritek is the Placebo effect most poeple think they are the nads even if they are not but there is a old saying "if it aint broken well you know the rest :.)"
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