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9. October 2012 @ 13:13 |
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Super Pi just another fraudulent program and single thread tool only. At least use Hyper PI or Prime95 but again not the best.
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9. October 2012 @ 15:56 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Current record for Super Pi is 18.002 seconds :) Have had it in the high 17s at 4GHz but it was never quite stable. Would IBT under normal stress but wouldn't pass under high stress. Sadly Super Pi has been proven to be quite Intel biased, regardless of actual differences in processing power.
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Estuansis,
That can't be right! This is for 1M, right? I was in the mid 13's (13.880) with my Intel E6750, and I think I saw Sam in the mid 10's with one he posted, a week or so ago. Some Gaming Rig, I think he said.
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9. October 2012 @ 17:08 |
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It was yesterday, and yes, my i5 750 @ 4.116Ghz :P
Jeff: Are you running the same version of SuperPi we are?
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9. October 2012 @ 17:25 |
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Ummmm on a Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz 18.002 or essentially 18 seconds flat is pretty much par for the course... Maybe I should have said MY personal record to clarify?
Russ scores 17.986 with a Thuban Hex-Core. So mine falls right in place no? He's using slightly better memory so it would make some sense.
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9. October 2012 @ 17:43 |
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Yeah he did, you're right, now I look at it. I think the result for the E6750 must be wrong (not incorrectly recalled, but some other issue with the test) - the E6750s were good, but they weren't better than 4Ghz Phenom II good...
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9. October 2012 @ 18:11 |
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Remember there is a huge Intel bias in the program. So only really useful for comparisons within the same brand and for testing OCing differences.
I mean a HUGE bias.
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9. October 2012 @ 18:22 |
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That may well be true, but 13.880/10.148 would make my i5 only 37% faster than Russ' E6750.
By knowledge of how Core and Lynnfield compare, the E6750 would have to have been clocked at around 4.1Ghz to achieve that. Doable, but I didn't recall it getting that high from memory - more like 3.7-3.8 was it?
I suppose a 10% variation isn't much to be concerned with in an antiquated single-thread benchmark.
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9. October 2012 @ 21:21 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Ummmm on a Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz 18.002 or essentially 18 seconds flat is pretty much par for the course... Maybe I should have said MY personal record to clarify?
Russ scores 17.986 with a Thuban Hex-Core. So mine falls right in place no? He's using slightly better memory so it would make some sense.
Jeff,
My best Super Pi 1.5 score so far, was 17.072s, which is almost 1 second faster.
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9. October 2012 @ 23:36 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yeah he did, you're right, now I look at it. I think the result for the E6750 must be wrong (not incorrectly recalled, but some other issue with the test) - the E6750s were good, but they weren't better than 4Ghz Phenom II good...
Sam,
Actually I miss-copied! I wrote 13. instead if 14. I have to shamefully admit that 13 had been crossed out on my hand written log, not once but twice! :( Dyslexic fingers I guess! :)
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9. October 2012 @ 23:36 |
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Yep the newer Thuban core and better memory timings would be the cause there.
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9. October 2012 @ 23:42 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Super Pi just another fraudulent program and single thread tool only. At least use Hyper PI or Prime95 but again not the best.
Steve,
I use IBT, 5 pass, maximum stress!
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10. October 2012 @ 00:29 |
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Same here. I use 5 passes max stress to test new settings and a 20 pass burn-in to make sure I'm stable. Have gotten 4GHz to do 20 passes at normal stress but will not do it at max stress.
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10. October 2012 @ 00:43 |
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X264 is all the stress test I need :p Unless I'm going for high clocks. Then I'll begin with Prime ;)
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10. October 2012 @ 00:49 |
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Any good encoding software can be a valid stress test. Any distributed computing program works great as well. Folding@Home, Seti@Home, BitCoin, etc. Using GPU Compute(OpenCL, Cuda) makes them a good graphics and overall system test as well.
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10. October 2012 @ 02:57 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Super Pi just another fraudulent program and single thread tool only. At least use Hyper PI or Prime95 but again not the best.
Steve,
I use IBT, 5 pass, maximum stress!
Russ
IBT is much better than SuperPi or P95 but running AIDA64 CPU Stress Test (100%) at the same time run Unigen Heaven will test the system much better and will cover multiple graphic cards better, also it will stress your buses better covering AVX/ADS and so on.... PCMark7 is another decent tool for measuring as these tools go.
However like I have said before I can test quickly when encoding like Kev does but also just stoking up Angry Birds, go figure! :P
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11. October 2012 @ 21:34 |
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Originally posted by estuansis:
LOL still not as masochistic as you guys. Have considered it, but $1000+ for a new Dell UltraSharp only to need another ~$1000 in new hardware to properly use it doesn't seem like a good time in my books :P
The discussion has moved on to super pi, but I just wanted to belatedly add, Jeff, that the point I was trying to make with my plug for the now-cheap 7950 is that you would NOT have to add $1000 for new hardware, just $300 for that ONE card, since the rest of your hardware is undoubtedly faster than mine - unless you have to run 40fps on everything.
From the way I see it - eye-finity at 6-7 megapixels is the new masochistic resolution, and since AMD had been pushing that concept and now has the 7000 family that can really handle it, 30" gaming for the 7000 family is middle-of-the road and no longer the stress-test it used to be.
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12. October 2012 @ 03:25 |
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The rest of my hardware is not faster than yours. Probably roughly the same if at OC'd settings which it is not. Currently sitting at stock for several reasons. I would require at the very least a new CPU right now to be faster.
Though I do agree that the video cards are more than capable of it, I would probably be buying two of them if playing at 2560 x 1600 because I require higher frame rates than you normally tolerate.
In the short term, my friend is waiting for a good deal on a Bulldozer CPU or Piledriver previews. No matter what he chooses I will be jumping on his 1090T. It's guaranteed to 4GHz with low voltage increases and beyond 4GHz to a reasonable voltage. The Thubans sure do OC well relatively.
As far as video cards go, that's another reason I'm happy at 1920 x 1200. I currently do not need a CPU or video upgrade right now. Everything I play even remotely regularly runs wonderfully. Just tried Xcom Enemy Unknown which is brand spanking new like released in the last few days, and it averages 70+FPS at 1920 x 1200 maxed with 4xAA. Crossfire support is already full 80-90% scaling. I daresay that's adequate.
CPU-wise I have actually considered a Bulldozer for several reasons, but it does not offer the brute force upgrade it would take to make a noticeable difference in the few games that actually need it. And those games don't really need it anyway. Supreme Commander Forged Alliance and Sins of a Solar Empire are RTS(strategy) games and are fully enjoyable with maxed settings even with my OC at stock. Though admittedly any CPU increase at all does improve these games. The only other reason I have to upgrade is emulation of console games. I can do it quite well but some games require mroe brute force than I currently have. Again, not a priority for me as I can play the games I want to just fine. This is why I'm willing to wait for a 1090T before making any other upgrade decisions. If he does not sell it to me, I will be tracking one down for a ludicrous price and buying it anyway.
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The short version - I DO require 60FPS on everything, and I do not have the budget to maintain that at 2560 x 1600. I can however, through incremental upgrades to my existing hardware, maintain 60FPS quite well at 1920 x 1200 and 45+ in Crysis which is still quite nuts.
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12. October 2012 @ 21:13 |
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That makes total sense to me.
I wonder what the 8000 family will have in store for us.
We should start hearing something about it by end of year I would imagine.
Rich
EDIT - speaking of new games and how stressful - I meant to ask you this before - have you heard anything about the new version of the RTS game Company of Heroes? I'm not sure if the sequel has hit the stores yet.
You and Sam talked me into that RTS as a way to broaden myself beyond stricty FPS - and I thoroughly enjoyed it - and then I picked up the other one, World in Conflict, and I thought that was great as well. So I am pretty sure I will be getting the COH sequel if you guys give it high marks.
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14. October 2012 @ 03:44 |
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Company of Heroes 2 looks great and if the developers have their way, it will actually BE great. The same studio(Relic) is responsible for the Warhammer Dawn of War franchise as well if you're into sci-fi/fantasy stuff.
If you want something even deeper, Wargame: European Escalation is great and follows in the same vein as World in Conflict. ie Some messages get crossed and Russia starts World War III. It is, however, MUCH deeper than Company of Heroes or World in Conflict and requires tons of strategy, planning, and patience to play properly. Have spent 6+ hours on a single level just trying to keep all my tanks alive and fueled/armed.
Wargame also has the best selection of troops and tanks I have ever seen in a video game. It has variants upon variants for every possible situation. Something like 10 different kinds of one single tank and 20+ different tanks in the game. Not to mention dozens of infantry types, APCs, tank destroyers, helicopters etc.
If you're a military, Cold War, or general weapons nut, Wargame is a real treat. It also lends itself wonderfully to the capabilities of high resolution monitors :D
If you want some dumb fun, X-Com Enemy Unknown is just out and actually quite good. Is supposed to be a remake of a much older game, X-Com: UFO Defense, but sacrifices a lot of complexity for accessibility. I thought the original was much better but we're talking NES graphics and running the game in DOS. The technology jump alone is enough to keep me interested, that and the game is well made. Is a squad based tactics game with an emphasis on strategy and planning.
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16. October 2012 @ 12:24 |
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Hmmm. Well, I don't know about the second one - when you said the original was better - and that was DOS - I don't know.
But - Wargame: European Escalation sounds intriguing. Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying that it is the same type of RTS as the two I am familiar with, Company of Heroes and World in Conflict. If it is at least as good as those two - then I'm interested, and it sounds like you are saying it for sure is.
Wow, it got a high 81% metacritic score. I'll check it out some more. Thanks for the tip Jeff.
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16. October 2012 @ 16:44 |
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Wargame is MUCH larger scale and MUCH harder, so if you want a hardcore challenge... well that's my first pick... Again it requires a lot of strategy and planning but the results are soooo rewarding :)
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17. October 2012 @ 17:10 |
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With the (very expensive) 4TB enterprise drives from WD having been launched, it seems some of that is filtering through to the consumer market - not for a 4TB consumer drive (WD own HGST and the HGST 4TB offering seems to suffice for now), but that the 3TB drives now are using three 1TB platters, instead of 4x750s. Baby steps, mechanical storage is slowly on the move again... :)
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17. October 2012 @ 17:19 |
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Yeah, you just wait - 100 TB by the end of this decade! :P
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17. October 2012 @ 17:30 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
With the (very expensive) 4TB enterprise drives from WD having been launched, it seems some of that is filtering through to the consumer market - not for a 4TB consumer drive (WD own HGST and the HGST 4TB offering seems to suffice for now), but that the 3TB drives now are using three 1TB platters, instead of 4x750s. Baby steps, mechanical storage is slowly on the move again... :)
I can hardly wait for the new Helium 7 platter drives which are soon to hit the market and is in the mix for WD/HGST. More platters and 40% increase in density plus they run 5 to 7 degrees cooler. I talked to a WD rep today and he was pretty high on the new helium drives but he had a really nice aluminium cased 1T Passport drive, much thinner then the previous 500G models which he had in his bag as well.
He also had a Thunderbird drive that will blow everything away since it can read/write all at the same time, it could take 2GB of video and read/write to a new location in just over a couple of seconds, extremely impressive.
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17. October 2012 @ 17:39 |
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10 year timescale base:
September 2002: 120GB hard disk drives released.
May 2012: 4000GB hard disk drives released.
Apply trend: 133000GB hard disk would be expected by January 2022 (more likely-> 150TB by mid-2022)
5 year timescale base:
March 2007: 1000GB hard disk drives released.
May 2012: 4000GB hard disk drives released.
Apply trend: 16000GB hard disk would be expected by July 2017, 64000GB hard disk would be expected by September 2022.
3 year timescale base:
January 2009: 2000GB hard disk drives released.
May 2012: 4000GB hard disk drives released.
Apply trend: 8000GB hard disk would be expected by September 2015, 16000GB by January 2019, 32000GB by May 2022
As you see, the closer you start the trend to the present, the less optimistic it gets - hard disk technology is stagnating and will eventually cease advancing altogether, probably before solid state drives have caught up with mechanical drives in cost per GB.
It was originally envisaged that 10TB would be the largest possible 3.5" form factor hard disk. It now looks more like perhaps 20-30TB will be possible, but perhaps no further, and getting this far may take a decade in itself.
At present, mechanical storage costs around $53-$55 per terabyte in the 'sweet spot' zone of 2TB/3TB. SSDs have come down to approximately $600 per terabyte at the bottom end. This is currently about 7-8 years behind mechanical storage. However, it's a considerable improvement on the $2500-$3000 per terabyte of when SSDs first began to be popular.
My personal opinion is that the first 100TB single drive is likely to be solid state. If I had to put a time on it, I'd hazard a guess at 2025, unless there is a surprise breakthrough beyond the standards of technological advance.
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