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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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ddp
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23. January 2014 @ 14:18 |
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don't bother with the ssd but do get more ram into it. replace vista with win7. how big is current hd & how much space free on it? upgradeable case or not? try to locate the sound as most likely the psu fan as kinda rare for intel fan to go tho have seen 2 go. java needs to be updated to resolve facebook issue. what does he use the computer for, surf the net or what?
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23. January 2014 @ 15:11 |
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It supports a maximum of 2Gb apparently. We are in agreement on windows 7, but I've seen systems run 7 and 2Gb. Firefox did not run very well. Chrome was noticeably better, but I'm still not sure that 2Gb is enough. He runs Norton as well.
Yeah, he's pretty much just a surfer LOL. The CPU fan is a CM. I haven't seen the message myself yet, but given the noise I heard (Up close), It may indeed be failing. He says he blows out the computer, though I see a fair amount of dust on the heat sink. It's possible he didn't stabilize the fan, when blowing on it. I'll talk to him about that ;)
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23. January 2014 @ 15:20 |
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what is the make & model# of the motherboard or the computer? what version of norton? check in his bios to see what the cpu temp is running at.
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23. January 2014 @ 15:27 |
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Seems pretty simple. Format it to clean it up, replace the fan, and give it another gig of RAM. Leave out the SSD as that's an exorbitant price to pay when the rest of the system costs as much as a snack. The Pentium D isn't too bad. The biggest issue there would be the lack of RAM. Likely the root of many issues, especially using Vista. I'd say putting Windows 7 on it plus doubling the RAM would give a massive speed boost for relatively little cost.
Also, ddp has a point. Re-TIM the cooler and see if that helps. Maybe throttling due to heat.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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23. January 2014 @ 15:27 |
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It's a 2006, HP Pavilion a6100y(ipilp-LC lancaster MOBO). Oddly, the front has an AMD Sempron sticker, but it's clearly an intel board/cpu. Epic fail... LOL! It's a 2.4Ghz Pentium D. Or at least that's what CPU-Z was reporting. And I don't think it's running hot. Not here anyhow. The CPU fan is pretty quiet, once up and running. I have it fully open, to monitor the fans at the moment. Generally clean, other than some dust on the CPU heatsink.
He seems to think the Norton is updated. He says he updates it. And given we were talking about it in this thread recently, and how they're better than they used to be, I suppose it's not a concern. But I'm still not convinced. I prefer to live dangerously, what can I say :p
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23. January 2014 @ 15:28 |
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Norton on Vista with a gig of RAM? There's your culprit...
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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23. January 2014 @ 15:34 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Norton on Vista with a gig of RAM? There's your culprit...
My thoughts exactly. But this guy is very NOT tech savvy. If it makes him feel safe, well... aw well. He seems attracted to the real time file scanner.
I'm thinking I'll relay all thoughts here, but still recommend a new machine. Tax time is upon us, and they were already considering it anyway. I wonder what they'll do with the spoils? :D
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23. January 2014 @ 15:41 |
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updated norton doesn't mean latest version as could be 2011 version with latest updates for that version. get a clone computer so can install win 7. check the bios to confirm the cpu info.
specs link. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/docu...001_title_r0001
if have a spare 2gig ddr2, try it with 1 of the 1gigs to see if can read & load with 3gigs of ram.
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23. January 2014 @ 15:54 |
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Maybe move them into Windows 7 as it runs much better on a slow PC then Vista and upgrade the RAM to 4GB but really the writing is on the wall, it is new PC time as everything will start failing soon and you'll run sluggish at best.
You could get them into a decent APU system that has a small foot print and does whatever they want it to for a little more then what you'll spend is bandaging what they have now.
If you approach them correctly and explain it nicely they will probably get it and go forward, let's at least hope so....
I've been in this spot more times then I want so I know what you'll be going through to coach them into a better, new, warranted system.
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23. January 2014 @ 15:57 |
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2GB is far less appalling than 1GB, but it's still pretty limiting, If 2GB is the maximum supported, I'm not sure it's justified. Unless you have these parts lying around for nothing, I think it's a foolish investment. Before you know it you could end up with a hardware failure elsewhere in the system given its age and it will nullify the work you have done. Sometimes upgrading isn't really the best option.
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23. January 2014 @ 16:01 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
2GB is far less appalling than 1GB, but it's still pretty limiting, If 2GB is the maximum supported, I'm not sure it's justified. Unless you have these parts lying around for nothing, I think it's a foolish investment. Before you know it you could end up with a hardware failure elsewhere in the system given its age and it will nullify the work you have done. Sometimes upgrading isn't really the best option.
Yes indeed. Supposedly 2Gb is the max. And you're probably right. The system is gonna start nickel and diming them to death(multiple component failures). I'm gonna attempt to find agreeable barebones, cheap builds... OPTIONS for them ;)
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23. January 2014 @ 16:32 |
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I still say Win 7 and an extra gig of RAM would be your easiest route...
And ouch, real-time filescanner...
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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23. January 2014 @ 18:39 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
I still say Win 7 and an extra gig of RAM would be your easiest route...
And ouch, real-time filescanner...
Indeed. I don't need that garbage ;)
On another note, just finished my taxes. Should be getting a ~$1400 return :D More than enough for a new pair of glasses, A new motherboard, and hardware for building my generator :D The next month should be very interesting!
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24. January 2014 @ 23:59 |
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Corsair H110 water loop showed up today with two extra Swiftech Helix 140mm fans for push/pull. More assembly than usual for a cooler required but a very solid install once done. The quality and feel of the materials are much better than the Cool-It Eco 120s or Corsair H50s I have seen and used in the past. The hoses are an evaporation resistant rubber instead of corrugated plastic, so much less chance of cracking like the old models loved to do. A little light tugging showed the hose connections to be solid, and not ready to pop open like some H100is. The pump/block is quite low-profile, but seems to be plenty adequate for the loop, and is very quiet.
The radiator is 280mm, which means it is two 140mm fans wide. I am able to run it with four fans in push/pull. I mounted it inside the top of the case, where the 230mm exhaust fan mounted. It is exhausting out the top as well. Was able to replace the 140mm fan on the side with the 230mm fan from the top. I cut a bigger hole in the side panel and put in a stainless 230mm fan grill to dress it up a bit. I now have proper HAF airflow, plus all of my fans are higher performance than stock HAF fans.
The only snag I hit was attaching the cooler to my case. The 140mm spacing means that there is no in-built way to install it. I had to improvise and suspend it by some zip-ties with some rubber pads to dampen vibration. I simply can't get the zip ties tight enough to kill vibration, so the rubber pads are essential. It rattles like mad otherwise :) Overall though the installation was pretty straight forward, and easy to do. The backplate is plastic with keyed steel thread inserts that can be swapped around to fit different sockets. Not fond of the plastic backplate, but it worked just fine with the included adhesive tape to stick it to the motherboard. No real complaints about installation ore problems I didn't know about before purchasing.
Overall cooling performance is drastically improved, including my chipset temps, which were a primary concern for pushing higher. The 230mm side fan will be the main culprit for that. The 140mm helped, but had jack-all for area coverage, and was only able to feed limited air to the case.
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1100T @ 4GHz 1.5v 2800MHz NB 1.275v(this is considered a fairly aggressive overclock on these chips)
Previous Config:
CM Hyper 212 Evo w/ 2 x 2500RPM 120mm Delta fans Push/Pull, 140mm side fan
New Config:
Corsair H110 w/ 4 x 1500RPM 140mm fans Push/Pull, 230mm side fan
Prime95 Results 1 Hour:
Previous: 58-60 CPU, mid-50s Chipset
New: 45-46 CPU, low 30s Chipset
LOL Think my cooling has improved? This is apparently the very best aftermarket cooler you can have without assembling a custom water loop... and I added some fans :)
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Four medium static pressure fans in concert at their max of 1500RPM(both the Corsair and Swiftech fans having nearly identical specs) are drastically quieter than two 120mm Delta-style fans at 2500RPM. My lord, I daresay my PC is almost quiet now. The overall noise level is almost a quarter. I was so used to the noise that I just learned to drown it out. Maybe the fans weren't at an irritating frequency for me? They were noisy, but not annoying or whiny.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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25. January 2014 @ 00:26 |
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My top fan in the HAF 932 is beginning to make noise. I may opt for better fans myself with my tax return. As much as I'd like to go with the FX-9590, I think just a new motherboard will suffice for now. While the processor is a pretty good buy right now, especially when compared to i7-4960X, $330 is quite a bit to spend right now. And I've never thrown that much down on a processor. Yet! :p Gaming comparisons, show the two processors very close to each other. Number crunching is apparently a fair amount better with i7. But is it really worth $1000? I don't know...
About ~2 weeks, and I can REALLY play. So many plans :D Time to make history!!! If only in my backyard :p
Looking good Jeff!!!
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25. January 2014 @ 00:42 |
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I'd recommend the 990FXA-UD3. Much cheaper than my UD5, with nearly identical capabilities. Just be prepared to put a fan over the VRMs if you install a Vishera or Thuban with the intent to OC even a little. Any decent little fan will do. It just runs a bit hotter than the UD5, but a software bug means the throttle limit is set too low, so a VRM fan can fix the problem, as it will never touch that temp with a little direct airflow.
As far as CPUs, I'd almost say stay with your Thuban and re-OC it? That's certainly what I'm doing. Traded up the 1090T for an 1100T and pushing for the limit! 3.8-4GHz is easily doable on a decent air cooler with a Thuban.
There is not much option for 230mm fans and I haven't seen Cooler Master selling them lately. I found a few generic brands and these BitFenix Spectre Pros which have more aggressive blades. What can I say? Build quality is pretty good, noise is reasonable, airflow is good. $25 a piece well spent. Longevity will tell the whole tale but that's true of any hardware.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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25. January 2014 @ 01:21 |
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Ha ha, I already had the UD3 in my cart, before your post. I'm strongly considering it, but the UD5 has more sata ports. And you seem to think the UD3 VRM runs hotter? Interesting.
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25. January 2014 @ 12:58 |
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It's just a small quirk, but is quite well known on the boards. Nothing really wrong with them per say, they just run a bit warm, which can cause throttling because the thermal limit is set too low from the factory. It's not even really a heat issue, but a bug. Adding a fan fixes that bug AND they run cooler too :)
The largest difference between the UD3 and UD5 is the cooling. Of course lots of little extra things are different such as SATA ports and PCI-E slots, but they are otherwise quite comparable boards. Despite some glitches which I'd like to clue you in on later, I am quite fond of the UD5, and was actually a little impressed by it when I added the larger side fan.
Very exciting set of upgrades for me lately. Pretty much everything brand new within the last year sans hard drives and case.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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27. January 2014 @ 01:18 |
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Right click and select view image or equivalent. Nevermind the wonky voltage reporting. Everything is kosher :)
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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27. January 2014 @ 02:51 |
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Hello, my problem is that I have a PC and I am unable to remove the outer casing because it is not attached by screws but by rivets. Does anyone have any experience with this? Figured I could just drill out the rivets but then I'd be unable to attach the outer case.
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27. January 2014 @ 02:56 |
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That seems pretty unusual - what was the original make/model of the PC?
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27. January 2014 @ 03:01 |
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Indeed. That's highly rare, if it even exists. Are you sure you're not overlooking some unique clipping/button design?
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27. January 2014 @ 12:58 |
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check to see if there is a lever just above the psu but below the top of the case. check the side panels for a button that will unclip the panel from the case. is the case cover 1 piece as in "U" shape, 2 pieces with 1 side panel & a combo side & top panel to form a "L" or 3 pieces? if it is 1 piece the face panel probably pops off & the case cover slides off to the front.
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27. January 2014 @ 14:02 |
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There's always some sort of hidden latching mechanism...
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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