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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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10. January 2014 @ 11:29 |
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I gotta have an updated board! LOL! Should be only a month away :) Probably lower voltages, and higher overclocks ;) Plus, I'll have UEFI bios.
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10. January 2014 @ 11:53 |
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10. January 2014 @ 15:41 |
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Welcome back to all the veterans, thanks for stopping by :)
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Also, no more modded chipset cooling for me. Idles at room temperature and haven't seen it higher than 30 yet. Very well cooled board :)
Chipset cooling, remind me, what was that again? :D
Omega: That may be an IPS panel, but the reason it's cheap is that it's capped at 30Hz. Until you use it, you won't realise what a drawback that is. It's great that monitors like those are helping popularise UHD (4K is not an allowable term for 3840x2160 it turns out, as 4K refers exclusively to 4096x2160).
It may get to the stage where I want to get one of those so I can use it in portrait, but there's no great urgency at the moment. I have monitors everywhere as it is right now.
I'll wait and see what the new APUs achieve. Personally I'm very dubious of those graphs.
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10. January 2014 @ 15:45 |
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30hz?! Screw that then. That's not nearly good enough ;)
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10. January 2014 @ 15:47 |
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Hence the price :)
Technology does come down in price quickly, but it's going to be a fair while yet before genuine UHD monitors reach WQXGA monitor prices, and as I've alluded to before, I think that really will only happen when we can do away with MST, as it's only then that the technology will be reliable enough for the average joe to use.
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10. January 2014 @ 15:51 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Hence the price :)
Technology does come down in price quickly, but it's going to be a fair while yet before genuine UHD monitors reach WQXGA monitor prices, and as I've alluded to before, I think that really will only happen when we can do away with MST, as it's only then that the technology will be reliable enough for the average joe to use.
Mmmm, fair enough. Well, I'm not interested in running multiple GPUs to run at those freakish resolutions yet anyhow. As you know, I'm not an avid gamer. I just like being able to run one reasonably, when I WANT to :) So, it's the waiting game for me.
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10. January 2014 @ 16:43 |
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Haha Sam, the shot about Northbridge cooling. Yes, I suppose it's been a while since you've even HAD a Northbridge. One of my friends wants me to build him a Haswell rig soon, so I suppose I'll get to do some learning :)
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10. January 2014 @ 16:46 |
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Three of my PCs still have a northbridge to be fair, X48 in my file server, X38 in my work PC, and P31 in my XP PC, but none have been overclocked for a long time.
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10. January 2014 @ 19:01 |
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56-58 was what my sisters ran at too, but it was still rock solid even at that temp and I didn't feel it was going to run away on me.
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11. January 2014 @ 11:50 |
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Gotta love my friends :) 1100T on its way to my house in a week or so along with a Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme. A little kickback for my services as he is replacing them with a Corsair H100i and a Haswell. I'm going to be doing installation for him so... :)
Time for another shot at this overclocking venture. I simply need more wattage dissipation and the twin 140mm tower Silver Arrow is almost undisputed as the best air cooler available. The Hyper 212 Evo is great, but just doesn't have the raw grunt I need. AMD OCing is very cooling sensitive and requires powerful cooling almost by default. The Hyper 212 would be much better suited to OCing an Intel CPU, i7s being much lower wattage to begin with.
Only holdback I can think of there is that the Silver Arrow tall enough for me to have to move my side fan to the outside of the panel. I can always throw a fan grill on it and make it look intentional...
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12. January 2014 @ 23:28 |
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Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme on its way! :D:D:D
1100T coming as well whenever buddy boy decides to make his purchase. Prolly ordering the new parts for him sometime this week, so stand by for the awesome!
:) Relative speed doesn't matter to me. I have more than enough raw grunt for any game I want to play or software I want to use. I have fun just getting the most out of what I can get my hands on. As long as it's "good enough", I can have all the fun I want. Currently, it's more than good enough, so any increases in clockspeed are solely for my own satisfaction :)
Also, the GTX760 continues to exceed my expectations. Further research shows that there are two different versions of the card: One built on the GTX660 PCB and one built on the GTX680 PCB. Mine is built on the GTX680 PCB. While the on-paper specs between the two models are apparently identical, performance however, is most decidedly not. The 680-based cards are capable of higher clocks and better boost frequencies. In real-world terms, that means my 4GB GTX760 OC(the good PCB, plus every extra that is possible to add)is currently benching higher than a stock clocked GTX680. The cheapest of which is still more expensive than my GTX760, with less video memory to boot!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121635
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125470
Not to mention it handily beats a stock clocked HD7970, though definitely not a GHz Edition. Nvidia basically had zero business making a mid-range card this powerful. The GTX660-based cards aren't even in the same ballpark. Call it a diamond in the rough :) This card is certainly worthy of the legacy built by the legendary 6600GT.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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14. January 2014 @ 14:15 |
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Kaveri benchmarks are out for the new APUs. In very short summary, the CPU performance is basically identical to their predecessors, there's no real change one way or the other, A10-6800K ~~ A10-7850K. The integrated GPU is however, about 100% more powerful. That's certainly welcome, but no performance increase at all doesn't really bode well for the upcoming implementation of this architecture for mainstream products, especially considering they're not releasing for a long time yet to come.
Jeff: To all intents and purposes, a GTX760 is a GTX670, so the best available overclock pushing it slightly above GTX680 levels sounds about right. Fair point on the video memory, but you can't really comment much on price as the GTX680 is now a legacy product, having been superceded by the GTX770.
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14. January 2014 @ 15:06 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Kaveri benchmarks are out for the new APUs. In very short summary, the CPU performance is basically identical to their predecessors, there's no real change one way or the other, A10-6800K ~~ A10-7850K. The integrated GPU is however, about 100% more powerful. That's certainly welcome, but no performance increase at all doesn't really bode well for the upcoming implementation of this architecture for mainstream products, especially considering they're not releasing for a long time yet to come.
Jeff: To all intents and purposes, a GTX760 is a GTX670, so the best available overclock pushing it slightly above GTX680 levels sounds about right. Fair point on the video memory, but you can't really comment much on price as the GTX680 is now a legacy product, having been superceded by the GTX770.
"Thanks to HUMA and heterogeneous queuing, applications can easily run processes on different types of cores, such as x86 CPU or GCN GPU compute units. As a result, AMD claims that its new Kaveri features twelve compute units in total. While the claim is technically correct, it should be kept in mind that not all applications can offload computing to stream processors of graphics adapters, hence, a number of programs will take advantage of only four x86 processors."
So, until more applications support the processors capability, we won't see it's true potential? :p
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14. January 2014 @ 15:18 |
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That sort of thing is getting a bit tired though, we had it with Bulldozer and Piledriver - might even have had it with Phenom, I'm not sure. Something like combining CPU & GPU is not necessarily going to become commonplace within the lifetime of that CPU, so I wouldn't get too excited about it personally. It's not necessarily the fault of the CPU, but too many applications still basically need good old fashioned CPU grunt, which is something AMD have not been able to achieve successfully since 2005, so they look to other ways of getting more performance. Dual core was a good idea and paid off massively, 64-bit was a good idea and paid off eventually, dual-thread modules was, hmm, I'm as yet unsold on that idea. I still would rather have seen a Phenom II X8, die shrunk to keep the TDP to 125W.
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14. January 2014 @ 15:49 |
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Jeff: To all intents and purposes, a GTX760 is a GTX670, so the best available overclock pushing it slightly above GTX680 levels sounds about right. Fair point on the video memory, but you can't really comment much on price as the GTX680 is now a legacy product, having been superceded by the GTX770.
The point about price is true. The GTX680 is out of production and now a last generation product. Still good to know that my card is at least as good as one :) The only point I'm making is that it seems to have much higher capabilities than you usually expect out of a mid-range card... Which makes me happy as my last mid-range cards underperformed :)
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I still would rather have seen a Phenom II X8, die shrunk to keep the TDP to 125W.
Now THAT would be a solid performer.
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14. January 2014 @ 17:49 |
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I'm not excited about it LOL! I'd rather they produced a CPU true to the times ;) I still find it interesting though :p
If overclocked, it could break the 1TFLOP barrier(APU/CPU combined, Theoretical).
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16. January 2014 @ 01:44 |
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I would rather AMD drop their current architecture entirely and go back to what worked. Much like Intel had to re-visit the Pentium III to come up with Core 2 and i7. AMD should go right back to Clawhammer and re-engineer it from the ground up using all the latest technologies.
Piledriver in itself is day and night from Bulldozer. If we had Piledriver from the beginning, I can guarantee you I'd already be using one. The fact remains that they released Bulldozer though and I went with my Thuban. Can't say I'm disappointed as it performs quite well. Just wish I had a more up-to-date option. In a best case scenario, Piledriver is a sidegrade for me. It has tons of grunt in benchmarking on par with some i7s. Piledriver stomps my Thuban badly in synthetic benchmarks. In real-world applications though, the Thuban at 4GHz is faster than the majority of even OC'd Piledrivers. My real world tests show the rough PD equivalent of my CPU at 4GHz is a 4.6GHz 8 core. The hex cores don't even compare. 4.6GHz seems to be about the average OC with an FX8350... hmm... A better cooler, which is mailed and on the way, along with the 1100T should see me in the 4.2-4.4 range. At which point it takes a 4.8-5.0GHz Piledriver to make the same real world grunt. It takes a 5.0-5.2 Bulldozer to do the same, and we all know that just isn't realistic with BD's huge power requirements.
I am willing to stay with AMD as long as their hardware is capable of meeting my needs. I am much more accustomed to their architecture and OCing, and all of my friends use AMD as well, so it makes hardware swapping extremely simple. A great way to keep some of my less financially able buddies up and cruising, as well as allowing me to get the system I am running today piecemeal. Single parts are much more sustainable on a limited income than large purchases. Intel have switched sockets with nearly every generation now since 775 fell out of favor. Even though I have switched boards several times, I was always able to keep every bit of the surrounding hardware. On Intel that means getting a new CPU and motherboard every single time you want to get ready for a large upgrade(with a few exceptions, but not many). On AMD it means you can get the new board, but keep your old CPU until you're ready to buy the new one. In this particular case, I was able to jump from AM2 to AM2+ with my 940, AM2+ to AM3 with my 955, and now AM3 to AM3+ with my 1090T. The only really large platform change I've had to do was switching from 939 to AM2 to Intel, then dusting off the AMD hardware when switching back to AM2.
For value, AMD have it licked. Pay attention to the newest Mobile APUs coming out. I have spent quite some time on a 7640G equipped A8 laptop. It is capable of some power. Able to play the majority of my games, including some brand new ones, with decent settings at 1366 x 768. That isn't even the 7660G in the higher-end A10. At nearly twice the processing power in the new R7 equipped chips, you're actually talking full dedicated video performance. Now THAT'S impressive considering how cheap AMD laptops are. I still think proper 1080p gaming is a stretch, but 1280 x 720, 1366 x 768, and 1600 x 900 would be very nice.
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18. January 2014 @ 02:06 |
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Just a quick update: 1100T sitting here and waiting on the Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme to arrive next week! Wish me luck :)
Didn't get to play with the Haswell build much but it seemed just as snappy as any of my own stuff at stock speeds.
4770K at stock 3.5GHz w/ CM Hyper 212 Evo
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H
8GB(2x4GB) DDR3 1866 CL9-10-9-28
Sapphire HD7970 non-GHz
Zalman ZM-850HP Rev 2. 850W
Very nice setup. Jealous of my friend :)
EDIT: 1100T installed and running just fine. Ordering the new cooler Monday as my payment for rebuilding the above PC. Current cooling sees it reaching a similar OC to the 1090T, though maybe a hair cooler running, and seeming to hit 4GHz with a little less stubbornness. Pushing any higher is still not a matter of capability, but of cooling. I will be sure to swap both CPUs back and forth to find the best clocker, but that will have to wait until I have the Silver Arrow Extreme or Corsair H110(basically in consideration and depending on final discussion). Right now the 1100T is the better running chip by a small margin.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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20. January 2014 @ 18:11 |
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Nothing short of incredible! But, I prefer the more standard look myself :p Perhaps one day, I'll have an experimental rig like that one :)
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20. January 2014 @ 18:55 |
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i guess you need a forklift or a powered doly to move it.
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20. January 2014 @ 20:52 |
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I have a new toy :D
New toy on the left, WD1001FALS on the right.
It's a Toshiba THNS064GG2BBAA 64GB SSD used as an OEM drive for Qosimo desktop replacement laptops. I don't know, and can't find, much about it. It seems to perform properly according to the few benches of it I could find. About 9000 hours of usage on it, probably poorly cared for, but doesn't seem to affect its performance.
I've made sure TRIM was enabled, reduced my paging file from 8GB to 4GB, disabled hibernation and system restore(neither of which I have ever used), and disabled indexing on the drive. Anything else I should be doing for it?
Otherwise it performs well and boots are lightning quick.
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20. January 2014 @ 21:21 |
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I eliminated my pageing file, however, I have 32GB of memory. Makes a huge difference.
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20. January 2014 @ 21:32 |
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Might be a driving factor in my 16GB upgrade if I decide to go in that direction... It's not a particularly good SSD, but it's not one of the piss poor ones and seems to run without a hitch. It did last just fine so far. I'm giving it a go as my main OS drive. Having a 60GB OS partition to begin with didn't hurt...
Never seen Windows touch my RAM limit so I might give disabling the page file a go.
Rather good set of upgrades for me recently. Kind of a shame I'm still using Phenom II but continually finding myself impressed with the X6. The cost of a proper Intel CPU has been my biggest holdback. Further research shows that I might want to experiment personally with a Vishera and explore its capabilities. I hold them in nowhere near the same light as Bulldozer.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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23. January 2014 @ 13:40 |
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Hypothetical situation. You're working on a computer for someone, you don't wanna tell them that they need a new computer. But the Mobo is 8yrs old. It supports a maximum of 2Gb Ram, Dual thread 3.0Ghz Pentium D, and the Sata ports are likely Sata 1.5Gb/s. It's running windows Vista, and currently has a mere 1Gb of Ram :/
Would an SSD , and another 1Gb of Ram, boost performance enough, to last them another year or two?
I'm really leaning toward telling him to go new. He told me yesterday, that faceboook always freezes his computer. I don't doubt it!!! Vista is using 90% of the Ram alone! And Facebook is a Flash nightmare (for slow computers)!
What would you do???
By the way, the CPU fan may be about to fail. He gets a warning message every now and again. And I hear a curious sound, when I cold start it. Probably a bearing. (yet another sign of age)
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