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7. July 2011 @ 16:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
What time frame did each program finish at? Where they the same amount of time to perform as they were on other computers you have or were they longer/shorter. CPU usage isn't enough on it's own I've found that when transcoding I'll use as much reasources as I can safely use so the real factor is lenght of time.
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I wouldn't go by time frame. The dvd that I rebuilt didn't require much compression at all. But it still utilized 50 - 60% of the processor as is normal for CCE. For me anyhow. ConvertX was a 1080P to dvd conversion, which is still running by the way. It was averaging 24Fps while the dvd was encoding, and is still at ~24Fps. Keep in mind, that each process was using it's own hard drives. VERY important factor!



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If you don't go by time frame it truly doesn't mean anything. I can run one app at 80% or three apps at 80% or higher. Unless your dropping frames or getting jitter with what you've done it doesn't really tell me anything, nor am I surprised at you revelations.
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It's mainly a question of software optimisation, operating system, and the number of cores. Running 100% on a single-core CPU has more of an impact on your performance than 100% on a quad-core CPU (even though 100% on each core), but not all 100%s are equal. Some programs can 100% your CPU and you'd never notice apart from increased fan speed / temps, whereas others (usually stress tests) can bog down even the most powerful CPU like you wouldn't believe.



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Ehh, it tells me alot. Perhaps I'm not conveying/wording properly. Cause I understand pretty well, despite my lack of CPU knowledge.

CPU's don't just unleash their full potential indefinitely. It depends on coding greatly. The filter used in downsizing the 1080P is what seems to determine the cpu speed. Unless I've missed something.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
All the decent programs I've seen use all of your CPU, because that's the most efficient. Not sure why you'd be seeing far less unless you're I/O limited for input. With standard def DVDs I can see how that could be a problem.
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The reason is Cinema Craft Encoder only runs two cores. if you want the version that uses more than 2 cores, be prepared to pay more than the average decent car goes for it! The last time I looked, the price was $75,000, and it will handle up to 12 cores. Far too rich for my blood. It's not the computer or the CPU, it just doesn't put that kind of load on my 6 core at all. I average about 50% usage on the two cores. The CCE a lot of us have, started life back in the P4 days and was designed for a single core. Encodes were a 3 hour affair or more, and the program used most of the CPU. Mine has been modified for multiple cores, but it will only run 2 cores. You can set it to 6 but it still only uses 2. I imagine the new version uses a lot more of the CPU than this version does. Still the encodes average about 22-23 minutes, so I'm not complaining!

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why have a 6 core if you arnt going to take advantage of it?



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+1 - I didn't realise he was using a dual-threaded program.



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I'm not sure if me and Russ have the same inards in our pc's, but I think it's close, and yes I do have a amd six core cpu with all the other goodies, whenever I use to convert my video files with convertx with my crappy hp at times it would take 2 hours, and that would be me not running anything else, if I did every thing would freeze up.

With this new build, things are all together different, I mostly don't understand a lot of the numbers you guys are throwing around, but commin sense can go a long way, now I can convert a 1080p movie in less than a half hour, and that's while I'm on-line with people, e-mailing, surfing the net or even downloading attachments from friends, I even tried running things I shouldn't just to see what happens, the only things that slows me down is if I run a virus scan, and even than not by much.

I am still not use to how fast things run on this rig, it still amazes me, if there are things faster out there, well so be it, this is about as fast as I need to go, if I insisted on going faster than surely I would say I got the A.D.D's or whatever the hell they call it.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
All the decent programs I've seen use all of your CPU, because that's the most efficient. Not sure why you'd be seeing far less unless you're I/O limited for input. With standard def DVDs I can see how that could be a problem.
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I think you have got the wrong idea here. If the program only uses XX% of the processor power, it can't use 100% of it, nor does it need to! It can only work within the requirements and speed limitations of the program. The limiting factor will be the throughput of the computer because the Processor is capable of much more that the throughput will allow. You can only move information so fast through the computer. The CCE I have is old, designed for the old P4, and was modified for dual cores. I'm sure that someone that could afford the price tag of the latest CCE, which is designed for up to 12 cores, it would be significantly faster.

You aren't old enough to remember a program called AT Slowdown. Back in the day, many early games ran faster as the speed of the CPU increased. You used AT Slowdown so the older games were playable on faster machines. Remember, the original Intel 386 was 12MHz, with a 16MHz Turbo!

That being said, be prepared to be amazed. This is like nothing I've ever seen before!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw&feature=player_embedded

Bet you this will mess with your mind a bit! LOL!!

Best Regards,
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Well, I naturally assume nobody is going to have I/O so bad that they'll be I/O limited for encoding video. I would naturally assume when encoding a DVD, that they aren't going to be making the full 16-24x DVD read speed (22-33MB/s) when encoding, as that is unlikely to be a quality encode. Likewise when encoding content from a PC, the data rate off the hard disk is going to be far higher than the process rate.



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Guys guys, I doubt I've breached my I/O activity limit. I am finding that at least one S-ata cable is bad. I plan to replace that S-ata cable, possibly more and see what happens. I suspect I may have more than one faulty cable. I have lockups occurring, and I haven't determined why yet. It drives me crazy. But I don't have the space to work in here. Which drives me even MORE crazy ;) I am gonna get to the bottom of this. But my overclock does not seem to be the problem. I really wish I had a spare board to help me trouble shoot this. For I suspect the board might have a slight issue. I truly hope I'm mistaken...



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Russ, that is new based on old technology. I had some mechanical engineering friends that were doing this 15 years ago they did the same thing but in a polymer tank instead of a powder tray. They also had to model the part in Pro-E or some type of 3D CAD system so it wasn't as easy as scanning a part and creating a model. It also didn't allow ink coloring since the tank/Laser setup would not allow that. This new method is cheaper and easier.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well, I naturally assume nobody is going to have I/O so bad that they'll be I/O limited for encoding video. I would naturally assume when encoding a DVD, that they aren't going to be making the full 16-24x DVD read speed (22-33MB/s) when encoding, as that is unlikely to be a quality encode. Likewise when encoding content from a PC, the data rate off the hard disk is going to be far higher than the process rate.
Sam,
You aren't following what I am saying. Antiquated software is the cause of the problem. To run faster, under the circumstances would not be economical. It's much more than speed. The original software was designed for single Core CPU and single threaded. Timing for video is critical, so it places limits on just exactly how much you can speed things up before it affects that timing! The software needs to be completely re-written, which is pretty much what the $75,000 version buys you! You won't be finding that on any Torrent!

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Well, I was assuming from what I heard that it was only using a reduced, but variable percentage of the CPU power, not a fixed number of cores, which would make more sense.
Personally, I'd probably ditch software that was so old it was single threaded. I'd find it hard to believe there's no suitable replacement for that encoder that supports multiple cores.



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That'd be HC encoder. It supports quads at least. But it's only marginally quicker, and the results are a debate. Some think that HC is as good as CCE, others think CCE is a little better. I really haven't done much testing with it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it ;)



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Now if we could get back to the most amazing thing I've ever seen! Thank You! This is serious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw&feature=player_embedded

If this is true, The impact on the world and it's economies is going to be staggering! In theory it is possible, and in function Plausible. Very likely? It's very hard to tell! I can easily make a case either way! I've never seen anything like it, but I have read in the past about Scientists working on it. The economic implications can not be ignored! Watch the video and you will understand!

Russ

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3D printers have been around for quite some time, I know someone that has used one. The problem is they're mostly limited by what material they can build out of (most use ABS plastic), and they are also quite slow, of the order of taking 80-100 hours to produce relatively small objects. it's amazing technology, but with CNC milling machines already used on an industrial scale, this isn't really bringing anything new to the fore except placing materials construction in the hands of smaller businesses.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
3D printers have been around for quite some time, I know someone that has used one. The problem is they're mostly limited by what material they can build out of (most use ABS plastic), and they are also quite slow, of the order of taking 80-100 hours to produce relatively small objects. it's amazing technology, but with CNC milling machines already used on an industrial scale, this isn't really bringing anything new to the fore except placing materials construction in the hands of smaller businesses.
Sam,

Wrong economic implications! I'll give you a little more time to find the big picture you are missing here!

Russ

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Originally posted by omegaman7:
That'd be HC encoder. It supports quads at least. But it's only marginally quicker, and the results are a debate. Some think that HC is as good as CCE, others think CCE is a little better. I really haven't done much testing with it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it ;)
Oman7,
I'm looking for improvements in overall time. At 22 minutes for 7-8GB 1080p content, you can't justify the cost. HC encoder is not a good solution to me. CCE does a much better job IMHO!

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Depends, 7-8GB for 1080p if it's a film is somewhat on the small side. That's an OK file size for an 80 minute file, but anything beyond that, and the bitrate isn't really high enough to prevent visible compression artifacts. For 1080p I usually try for 6GB per hour as an absolute minimum.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends, 7-8GB for 1080p if it's a film is somewhat on the small side. That's an OK file size for an 80 minute file, but anything beyond that, and the bitrate isn't really high enough to prevent visible compression artifacts. For 1080p I usually try for 6GB per hour as an absolute minimum.
Sam,
I process them to DVD5 or DVD9 depending on the quality. It works out pretty good. I totally un-compress the files when I rip them, and process those files with DVDRB/CCE. 12GB generally takes me 2 hours to rip, rebuild with CCE 2 pass and burn to a DL DVD9. I don't have to get involved with BD, or have to buy a BD player, and I don't have to spend many more hours. I'm more than happy with the quality. I don't see enough difference in picture quality to justify the time or expense! It's not 100% perfect, but I don't mind settling for about 98% quality!

Russ

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends, 7-8GB for 1080p if it's a film is somewhat on the small side. That's an OK file size for an 80 minute file, but anything beyond that, and the bitrate isn't really high enough to prevent visible compression artifacts. For 1080p I usually try for 6GB per hour as an absolute minimum.
Sam,
I process them to DVD5 or DVD9 depending on the quality. It works out pretty good. I totally un-compress the files when I rip them, and process those files with DVDRB/CCE. 12GB generally takes me 2 hours to rip, rebuild with CCE 2 pass and burn to a DL DVD9. I don't have to get involved with BD, or have to buy a BD player, and I don't have to spend many more hours. I'm more than happy with the quality. I don't see enough difference in picture quality to justify the time or expense! It's not 100% perfect, but I don't mind settling for about 98% quality!

Russ
So you must convert the m2ts to dvdifo prior to using DVD-RB as it doesn't transcode BD file formats.

There is a big difference between a converted BD -to- DVD format, over true HD and if you could pass the color test you would hopefully see the difference, it is noticeable.

It is definitely better and noticeable to have a BD player and HDTV than a hybrid DVD. For someone critical in the audio world you fall way short in the AV world.

HC is no ware as good as CCE or ProCoder they both are superior and I've even compared them in front of a novice who could as well see the difference.

The 3D scanner/printer is not going to change the world either although it is cool and has its place. For you and I it is way too expensive to buy, maintain, and use to make it a value. Also that plastic wrench is not going to hold up to the torque that a good forged steel wrench will.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends, 7-8GB for 1080p if it's a film is somewhat on the small side. That's an OK file size for an 80 minute file, but anything beyond that, and the bitrate isn't really high enough to prevent visible compression artifacts. For 1080p I usually try for 6GB per hour as an absolute minimum.
Sam,
I process them to DVD5 or DVD9 depending on the quality. It works out pretty good. I totally un-compress the files when I rip them, and process those files with DVDRB/CCE. 12GB generally takes me 2 hours to rip, rebuild with CCE 2 pass and burn to a DL DVD9. I don't have to get involved with BD, or have to buy a BD player, and I don't have to spend many more hours. I'm more than happy with the quality. I don't see enough difference in picture quality to justify the time or expense! It's not 100% perfect, but I don't mind settling for about 98% quality!

Russ
So you must convert the m2ts to dvdifo prior to using DVD-RB as it doesn't transcode BD file formats.

There is a big difference between a converted BD -to- DVD format, over true HD and if you could pass the color test you would hopefully see the difference, it is noticeable.

It is definitely better and noticeable to have a BD player and HDTV than a hybrid DVD. For someone critical in the audio world you fall way short in the AV world.

HC is no ware as good as CCE or ProCoder they both are superior and I've even compared them in front of a novice who could as well see the difference.

The 3D scanner/printer is not going to change the world either although it is cool and has its place. For you and I it is way too expensive to buy, maintain, and use to make it a value. Also that plastic wrench is not going to hold up to the torque that a good forged steel wrench will.

Stevo
Stevo,
I got a score of 4. I can see well enough. I'm very fussy about my Video too!

I DL my HD content, it's not from disk. I don't want any part of BlueRay, and I don't think I'll ever own an HDTV. We don't watch much TV around here, maybe a couple of hours a week. I think I set a record here last month because I watched Jackie's PBS Special 4 times and a couple of Antiques Roadshows. You can forget most sports because it's all about making money and buying Championships, while kids go to bed hungry across America because they have no food! Greed Prevails! Nascar and F-1 are like soap operas. Couldn't tell you who won the SuperBowl last year! I did watch the World Series. I had to root for the Giants. The rest of the time there's not very much worth watching on TV. I don't do stupid, so network TV is out! LOL!!

What I had in mind for the printer is eliminate the scanner as it's by far the most expensive and sophisticated part, make a basic printer and live off the materials and templates! I'm sure the tools are more a novelty than anything I'm just beginning to see Ceramic/polymer infused titanium impellers for miniature air turbines now, that will live at 500,000+ rpm!

Russ

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends, 7-8GB for 1080p if it's a film is somewhat on the small side. That's an OK file size for an 80 minute file, but anything beyond that, and the bitrate isn't really high enough to prevent visible compression artifacts. For 1080p I usually try for 6GB per hour as an absolute minimum.
Sam,
I process them to DVD5 or DVD9 depending on the quality. It works out pretty good. I totally un-compress the files when I rip them, and process those files with DVDRB/CCE. 12GB generally takes me 2 hours to rip, rebuild with CCE 2 pass and burn to a DL DVD9. I don't have to get involved with BD, or have to buy a BD player, and I don't have to spend many more hours. I'm more than happy with the quality. I don't see enough difference in picture quality to justify the time or expense! It's not 100% perfect, but I don't mind settling for about 98% quality!

Russ
So you must convert the m2ts to dvdifo prior to using DVD-RB as it doesn't transcode BD file formats.

There is a big difference between a converted BD -to- DVD format, over true HD and if you could pass the color test you would hopefully see the difference, it is noticeable.

It is definitely better and noticeable to have a BD player and HDTV than a hybrid DVD. For someone critical in the audio world you fall way short in the AV world.

HC is no ware as good as CCE or ProCoder they both are superior and I've even compared them in front of a novice who could as well see the difference.

The 3D scanner/printer is not going to change the world either although it is cool and has its place. For you and I it is way too expensive to buy, maintain, and use to make it a value. Also that plastic wrench is not going to hold up to the torque that a good forged steel wrench will.

Stevo
Stevo,
I got a score of 4. I can see well enough. I'm very fussy about my Video too!

I DL my HD content, it's not from disk. I don't want any part of BlueRay, and I don't think I'll ever own an HDTV. We don't watch much TV around here, maybe a couple of hours a week. I think I set a record here last month because I watched Jackie's PBS Special 4 times and a couple of Antiques Roadshows. You can forget most sports because it's all about making money and buying Championships, while kids go to bed hungry across America because they have no food! Greed Prevails! Nascar and F-1 are like soap operas. Couldn't tell you who won the SuperBowl last year! I did watch the World Series. I had to root for the Giants. The rest of the time there's not very much worth watching on TV. I don't do stupid, so network TV is out! LOL!!

What I had in mind for the printer is eliminate the scanner as it's by far the most expensive and sophisticated part, make a basic printer and live off the materials and templates! I'm sure the tools are more a novelty than anything I'm just beginning to see Ceramic/polymer infused titanium impellers for miniature air turbines now, that will live at 500,000+ rpm!

Russ
A 4 is 4 times worse than me which means you are close to blind. LOL Of course you could be truly blind if you were a 10 or higher. :)

I agree that there isn't much on TV or for movies these days and I too hate stupid which seems to dominate the market. However I would say there are still some good HD movies and for me I watch Baseball as it hasn't yet hit the punk trash level like all most all other professional sports. I do watch college hockey, hockey being my most favorite sport with exception only to skiing. Golf is nice in HD too. And I watch a lot of old classic's like I've mentioned before with you, of course you don't really gain much with HD and classics. You can get a decent HDTV 40-47" for cheap and a really good BD player for $100. So for less than a nice PC I can have a decent HD setup. For me HD is worth if just to watch baseball let alone the few good HD movies out there which I have over 100 of and could increase that. James Bond remaster to HD is like watching new bond movies from back in the 60's. Also a lot of Nature programs are shot in HD and much more enjoyable to watch that way.

It's too bad you have to follow those crappy Giants but we all have our down side! LOL Of course it could be worst if you followed the Yankee's or even worst Boston. :P

Ceramic is a bit heavy for impellers and I would think they would not last long as they would crack and become fragile. Also the polymers are not cheap either and I have priced the new style printer but I doubt that is cheap too.

So in summation we can probably all chip in and get you some new glasses so you can see what you are missing, it may open a whole new world to you... :~)

Best regards good friend,
Stevo
 
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