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25. May 2008 @ 21:47 |
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Well, actually the CM COSMOS 1000 you recommended seems amazing. I can get it for about 160 including shipping, which isn't too bad.
I have two more questions, though:
1. Is the 12MB Cache in the Intel Q9450 a big impact compared to the 8MB in the Q6600.
2.Do you know of a motherboard that is under $200, is an OK OCer, and is good for my build?
Thanks.
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25. May 2008 @ 22:03 |
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The Chakra is a great case for airflow and noise...It is of similar quality to the 690...I have built several computers with the 690 case...The Chakra is just a better case in my opinion...Now the Mystique is a better quality case...but does not have the airflow...The Chakra for $35 is going to be tough to beat...That 250mm fan makes it one of the best cooling cases I have ever used...
Even if they were all the same price...I would take a Chakra over a...
Antec 900
Cooler Master 690
Cooler Master Mystique
Now the Cosmos...I have not used one...however I have heard that they are not that good for airflow...they have some air flow design issues that have keep me away from using one...they are quiet...and have excellent build quality...they just do not do a good job of cooling all your expensive components...jm2c...
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Curious...how can you flash a X38...and get a X48...out of it...I am assuming you meant you can get it to a maximus...not a rampage...by a bios flash...
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25. May 2008 @ 22:50 |
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MK44, Yes the 12MB cache helps, but not that much. Especially considering the price difference and the fact that after you overclock it, you can get better performance. Of course you could overclock the Q9450 as well, but there is still that price difference for maybe a 7 percent performance difference.
On the motherboard thing, I would get this. I have used one and I took a Q6600 to 3.6Ghz with it, and a E6750 to 4Ghz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...pk=ga-ep35-ds3r
LP, I meant Rampage formula, the X48 version. Think of the difference between the X38 and X48 as the difference between a E6750 and a E6850. It's essentially the same thing running at different speeds. So when you flash it to Rampage formula you are essentially OCing it, in addition to getting the great BIOS of the Rampage formula.
EDIT: I just noticed who I was replying to. Welcome back LP! Haven't seen you around for a while. How is your lucrative business doing?
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25. May 2008 @ 23:08 |
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LP: Can you give me a link to the Chakra you are talking about? I looked on newegg and found a regular Chakra and the "uber" chakra. I also read in a review that the cosmos has pretty good airflow because of the bottom intake fans and the extra space after everything is set up. I have narrowed my choices down to those two cases.
Abuzar: Thanks for the link to the mobo. Looks like I'll be getting that with the Q6600. I hope it has enough USB headers for me though.
Last question: Should I get the older 8800GTS cards w/640MB, or the newer G92 cards w/ 512MB?
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25. May 2008 @ 23:14 |
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Hey Boozer,
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I just noticed who I was replying to. Welcome back LP! Haven't seen you around for a while. How is your lucrative business doing?
Doing Good so Far...I guess I need to bring Yoda Back...
I did not realize the X38...& X48 were so similar...that...the bios from one...would work with the other...
The Uber is taller and more expensive...The regular Chakra is what I was talking about...The
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The case works fine cooling the internal components that are NOT working hard. You would think with all the cooling fans, etc., it would work well for high CPU loads. It doesn't. I'm used to running my PCs 24x7 on the Linux side, letting BOINC run at 100% CPU when I'm not working. It would only run about 5 minutes before suddenly shutting off. After reseating (and even once reversing the flow direction of) the CPU fan, turning off Cool and Quiet in the BIOS, checking the airflow directionof all the fans, etc., it was when I had the case door on the mobo side open that I saw my CPU temps drop more than 20 degrees C - at idle! Windoze apps that killed the system dead at over 90C were now running at less than 35C. HDD temps remained over 40C, though, which may now explain why I had a 500GB go toes up and required an RMA. So, for now I have an ""open door"" policy when cranking har
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The case interior airflow is poor. There is 1 intake fan and 3-exhaust fans excluding the power supply. The interior is starving for air and lacking proper flow direction and characteristics. This condition can be observed by taking internal temperature readings at key component locations and then repeat the process without the side panel. As the Video, CPU and other components are tasked the condition becomes more predominant. Also, there is apparently a new change in the case design, which adds a fan into the side panel. This is only available to those buying newer cases, as I understand. My cases are two months old.
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This case has serious overheating issues if your system is air-cooling overclocked CPU and VGA components. My 3 hard drives overheated to 60C idling! You will lose 2 of the 5 drive bays if you move the fan assembly to help cool the hard drive cage. I don?t know what others define as ?quiet? but the 4 case fans in the Cosmos make more noise than the 3 fans in my old CM Stacker. My VGA?s GPU idles at a toasty 72C in this case. The VGA air duct is useless. If your video card exhausts air out the back, the case?s negative air pressure would appear to draw the exhausted hot air right back in to the video card.
I have heard of severe overheating issues within the H/Drive...and GPU sections of this case...I believe it just has a poor airflow design in general...Looks Great...It just does not work well in the real world...
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25. May 2008 @ 23:16 |
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lol Are you joking?! That motherboard has so many USB headers! It has 8 in the back and can support up to 4 in the front.
Also, as far as raw cooling goes the Cosmos is very good, but not the best. The Other cases(Antec 900, CM 690) will probably cool better. I know for sure that the Antec WILL cool better, not quite sure on the CM 690.
About the graphics card question, the 8800GTS 512MB is miles ahead of the 640MB version.
EDIT: Well I can see the trademark ellipses, just need Yoda.
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25. May 2008 @ 23:21 |
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You guys have been the biggest help ever. Thank you so much. I have pretty much gotten everything I need down.
For the case, I'll just do a little more research and come up with a decision between the Chakra and the Cosmos. By the way, do you know or can you give me a link to the Chakra LP is talking about? Because I found like 5 different kinds....
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25. May 2008 @ 23:25 |
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25. May 2008 @ 23:45 |
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That was it Boozer...hence the link...
Here is the same model with Silver Trim...$10 cheaper...I personally like the all black case...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124116
@mrk44
I would really try to go with PC-8500 memory...over the PC-6400...with the price difference so minimal...its a No Brainer...Right Now...
I have tried to add my sig back...but it is not showing...creaky does it take awhile for your sig to show up...after saving the changes?..
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26. May 2008 @ 00:22 |
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Hey there LP,
Good to see you around the thread again. Hope everything worked out all right for you. Last I heard you were going to Court.
I agree 100% with your answer to mrk44. My way of looking at it is that 1066 memory is guaranteed to run at 1066. And while some people have overclocked Crucial Ballistix 800MHz that high. If you can't, tough beans as you can't very well complain, plus you are stuck with them!
I recommend these to anybody wanting 1066 memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145043
I have my computer running at 3.55GHz and with the 444MHz fsb setting and the 2.40 memory multiplier they run at 1066 on the nose. They run barely warm to the touch at 2.1v at 5-5-5-15 and give no problems, and the memory bandwidth has jumped up to over 8000MB/s. I lucked out and got them for $54 with the $40 MIR!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. May 2008 @ 00:49 |
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Yeah except he wants 4Gb of RAM. Anyway, if you are getting a Quad Core with a 9x multi you don't really need 1066mhz RAM.
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26. May 2008 @ 01:13 |
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LP,
yes there is a bios flash that will allow you to flash the P5E to rampage formula bios. however, I'm not sure if it is an actual rampage formula bios or a patched version. the main differece between the X38 chipset and the X48 chipset is the X48 is better binned, therefor a P5E (X38) with rampage formula bios is still not as good as the true rampage formula (X48) but it's as close as you can get and is much better.
BTW, I don't have a Q6600. I have an E3110 and an E6600. I am not qualified to answer the question you asked me earlier.
abuzar,
the Q9450 is quite a bit more cpu than the Q6600. not only is it 260mhz faster stock and 45nm vs 65nm but it not only has 4M more L2 cach but the L2 cach is not shared like it is with the Q6600. thus the reason it costs significantly more. the Q9450 will OC just as high as the Q6600 and then some.
if I was going to go with a mobo and could only afford to spend around $225 I would go with an asus P5E and flash it with rampage formula bios. asus bios's have spoiled me.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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26. May 2008 @ 01:16 |
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Yeah but for half the Price the Q6600 is worth it.
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26. May 2008 @ 01:22 |
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Hey Russ,
Those were the same sticks I originally recommended to him...those are what he should get...he does not need the 4GB's...If he still feels he needs the extra memory...then I would recommended the same models...in 2GB sticks...
CORSAIR DOMINATOR with DHX Technology TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF 4GB PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) DDR2 Memory Retail ***Free Shipping*** $159 with $40 Rebate $118.80 after MIR
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDet...ctCode=10008006
Yea..Courts Over...Won the case...it still cost me around $63,000...to defend my self...the only real winners were the attorneys...I will fill you in on it all in a PM...
I should have the final approved construction plans by next week...probably can start on the New House by mid June...hopefully back in by November...
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X38 are speed bins of X48 that failed to reach the higher clocks, they are the same chipset with the X48 being the best hand picked samples
So...would that be an accurate take on the chips?..
I've had no time to keep up on computers in the last 6 months...this festival is kicking my ass...Its not easy to throw a party for 80,000 people...
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I am not qualified to answer the question you asked me earlier.
Now thats a Lie..:) You may not have a Q6600...but I am sure you are qualified to answer just about any question I could ask..:)
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26. May 2008 @ 01:27 |
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Yes that's an accurate take. The X48s perform better but it's essentially the same chip.
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26. May 2008 @ 01:34 |
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LP,
a sig change should take effect imediately.
Russ,
Same memory I am using. running at 1068mhz. absolutely no complaints.
abuzar,
my E3110 has a multiplier of 9x and I'm running DDR2 1066 memory. why don't you need it? for no more than it costs to go with 1066 over 800, why not go with the faster memory? it also boils down to where your mobo will allow it to run. with the 4 different strap choices in my rampage formula bios, I have 11 different choices for memory speed at any given cpu frequency.
personally, I would go with the 9450 over the Q6600 even if I had to save a while or make payments. newer technology and a lot more umph. I would have gone with a 9450 over my 3110 but they weren't available at the time. I decided to go ahead and get my feet wet with a 3110 being it is 45nm. I eventually intend on upgrading to a 9450.
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26. May 2008 @ 01:38 |
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Mort, finances are the same reason it boils down to doesn't it? You can have your Rampage formula and a Q9450. Some of us can't afford it and it helps us stay in budget. Plus The money saved by getting a Q6600 can be better spend on a a different parts.
See, this is the same reason why everyone disagreed on the Asus thing. Not everyone can afford high end motherboards, or is willing to make payments on it. So would you agree that the Q6600 is an excellent CPU for half the price?
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26. May 2008 @ 01:41 |
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LP,
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Now thats a Lie..:) You may not have a Q6600...but I am sure you are qualified to answer just about any question I could ask..:)
thanks for the kind words and for the chuckle. :) good to have you back amongst us.
abuzar,
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So would you agree that the Q6600 is an excellent CPU for half the price?
yes I would.
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BTW, if my tone came off as hostile, it wasn't meant that way. I was just trying to get a point across.
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NP, did you see my edit?
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I'm not sure if it is an actual rampage formula bios or a patched version.
I would lean more towards a patched version of the bios...I just can't believe that the stock factory bios could be used between the 2 different models...
I would recommend spending the extra $55...and just getting the actual Rampage Board...
How do you like your 45nm chip vs your 65nm chip?..
I have not got to play with any of the 45nm chips yet..:(
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I don't think you could go wrong with a Q6600...a E3110...or a E8400...I would get the board you want and if you have to upgrade a component make it the processor that you upgrade...for a extra $100 you can have the Rampage & the 9450...
Got any Wiggle Room?..
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sorry to get of topic but I just rescently bought a set of klipsch promedia 5.1's and I like them so much that I now have just got to have a set of their top of the line promedia ultra 5.1's. then I'll sell these on ebay.
I was bidding on a set of brand new ultras still in the box today but quit bidding at $500. they went for $560. they don't make em anymore but when they did they went for $399. must be quite a demand for new ones.
I'm still gonna try to get a set of used ones. they usually go for around $350.
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26. May 2008 @ 02:06 |
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Yeah but that P5E was REALLY WORTH IT when it was going for a 100 dollars.
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Yeah but that P5E was REALLY WORTH IT when it was going for a 100 dollars.
OH that just hurts!! I missed it too.... money wasn't very fluid when that deal was running.... OUCH!!! boozer shaddup! hehehe. ;)
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26. May 2008 @ 02:19 |
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@boozer
A new premium X38 board was going for $100...Now this wasn't one of your import things was it?..:)
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