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24. June 2008 @ 12:02 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
Just a curious Question! Are their any Girls here, or all Guys. Again,just curious
If ya call Loco and GM girls....
Some will be happy 4 me others sad, but tomorrow is the beginning of a new day Again everybody THANKS
you will never please everyone. just be happy wit hwhat you choose with the help you received from everyone that helped.
so what does the final project look like? all parts listed?
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24. June 2008 @ 12:05 |
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mmm PCI cards are getting rare. but youll find one easy.
do you have an AGP or PCI-E slot aswell?
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24. June 2008 @ 12:37 |
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so Russ should i change my mind and go with the 8500 /1066 memory or go ahead and use the 6400 /800 memorey with my new rig?
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24. June 2008 @ 12:54 |
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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
so Russ should i change my mind and go with the 8500 /1066 memory or go ahead and use the 6500 /800 memorey with my new rig?
Corsair Dominator 1066 hands down for what your building
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24. June 2008 @ 12:59 |
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IMO PC-6400, but once again, depends, if you have the money to blow, then why not.
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24. June 2008 @ 13:48 |
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http://www.globalcomputer.com/applicatio...68&Sku=ULT31824
Ultra Aluminus Mid Tower/W 500W Bought from Global
Price=$95.71
MB ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA 775 X48 RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$289.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
MEM 2Gx2|COR TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$102.00)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
VGA XFX PVT84JYDF3 8600GT 512M RTL - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$99.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
ADD ON USB 2.0 SYBA| SD-VIA-5U RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$7.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
CPU INTEL|C2Q Q6600 2.4G 775 65N % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$199.99)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
HD 500G|ST 7K 32M SATA2 ST3500320AS - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$89.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
DVD BURN LITE-ON|DH-20A4P-04 20X % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$23.99)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
DVD BURN LG|GSA-H55LK 20X LS BK % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$26.99)
(Shipped from City of Industry, CA)
CPUCOOLER|ARCTIC P4|ACFZ7-PRO R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$26.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
I'm ordering the Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply,$79.99..JIC
I've already got my 32"Monitor
Let me know if I forgot something..Again Thank 4 all your help
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24. June 2008 @ 14:09 |
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only thing i dont see on there is some Artic Silver 5 thermal paste.lol
looks like awsome build. im sure you'll love it. now the hard part comes. no not putting it together. the wait for the parts to arrive..lol
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24. June 2008 @ 14:15 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
only thing i dont see on there is some Artic Silver 5 thermal paste.lol
I have a question about that. This might sound like a stupid question but... You ALWAYS need thermal paste, right? I ordered my parts yesterday, but I forgot to get thermal paste because I wasn't sure if I should...
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24. June 2008 @ 14:19 |
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Being as you're all talking about 1066MHz ram at the mo, any ideas on this, as it's been bugging me for ages.. ???
My Ram is PC-8500 ie 1066MHz capable, my FSB is 1066MHz, there's a BIOS setting called 'FSB:DRAM Ratio' which i can't remember if it's currently 1:1 or 1:2 (but have had set to either/both, 100% stably).
.. As i'm running my Q6600 at stock speeds I'm guessing the Ratio should actually be 1:1 ie 1066:1066 ??? (in the screenshot i was at 1:2 but as i say i can't remember what the machine's set to currently as i'm not at home; i did do all the numbers on a calculator but i was still none the wiser as to which setting was the best/most suitable)...
..i'm starting to think that 1:2 means half the rated speed ie i'm underclocking the ram ie 1066/2 which is 533, as per the screenshot. A 1:1 ratio would seem to be the correct setting ?
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24. June 2008 @ 14:28 |
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a 1:1 ratio with a 1066 fsb cpu would set the memory at 667mhz. fsb x 2 = memory. since your running a 1:2 ratio the number in the dram frequency box will be 2x the fsb. then you multiply that by 2 and you get the ram speed of 1066.
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24. June 2008 @ 14:35 |
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Originally posted by mrk44:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
only thing i dont see on there is some Artic Silver 5 thermal paste.lol
I have a question about that. This might sound like a stupid question but... You ALWAYS need thermal paste, right? I ordered my parts yesterday, but I forgot to get thermal paste because I wasn't sure if I should...
believe me that's the most important part of the build without that you will burn up the cpu very thin layer so the heat can escape the unit..
you need to grab some
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24. June 2008 @ 14:36 |
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Already got Arctic paste
COMPUSA carries it. Little more but better then none
The tech at my Computer repair shop was nice enough to put a little on a CPU 4 me once
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24. June 2008 @ 14:37 |
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Originally posted by krj15489:
a 1:1 ratio with a 1066 fsb cpu would set the memory at 667mhz. fsb x 2 = memory. since your running a 1:2 ratio the number in the dram frequency box will be 2x the fsb. then you multiply that by 2 and you get the ram speed of 1066.
Cheers but that still doesn't help me, maths was never my strongest point :P
..should i be at 1:2 or 1:1 (or something else).
sorry for being thick
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24. June 2008 @ 14:44 |
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if you change it to 1:1 you will be underclocking your memory. that would set the value in the dram box at 266, then double the number that to get the actual speed of the ram. so if you set it to 1:1 you memory will be at 533mhz. if you set it at 1:2 it will be at 1066mhz.
edit: i just noticed i messed up my math. the memory in a 1:1 would be 533mhz. 266 x 2 = 533.
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24. June 2008 @ 14:51 |
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Originally posted by krj15489:
if you change it to 1:1 you will be underclocking your memory. that would set the value in the dram box at 266, then double the number that to get the actual speed of the ram. so if you set it to 1:1 you memory will be at 533mhz. if you set it at 1:2 it will be at 1066mhz.
Cheers, i think i've got it now :)
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24. June 2008 @ 15:47 |
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I'd say do the maths. If you're an extreme overclocker, you'd probably do with PC8500 stuff, but for most, PC6400 would still let you overclock by miles.
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24. June 2008 @ 16:02 |
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Originally posted by ZOSO:
so Russ should i change my mind and go with the 8500 /1066 memory or go ahead and use the 6400 /800 memorey with my new rig?
I know I'm not russ but having used this setup for a little bit I thought I'd input something. Going by your specs here
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/426825/4114778
I'd say yes also, because my Q9450 in Gigabyte EX38-DS4 starts getting warm and wanting more CPU volts at around 420-430FSB and with linked memory hits a spot that 6400 can usually hit, as it underclocks the 8500 but I've read where your board can squeeze more out of that chip than mine so thats my reasoning. At stock or tiny OC I feel are fine for regular memory but a power user will want better. I could up my voltage but have read the horror stories and dont want to really go there if I'm happy with what I've reached so far.
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24. June 2008 @ 18:38 |
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but if you use a lower cpu multiplier(8 as i have done) you can increase the frequency and make your mem run faster.
for me this is what i have done. taken my CPU multi down to 8 from 9 and changed the frequency to 455 from 400 and i still get a 3.64ghz oc but then my mem would be running at 455x2=910. thats with the 2.0 mem multi. i forget what it would be if i left it in auto... there is more than 1 way to skin a cat..lol
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24. June 2008 @ 19:14 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
http://www.globalcomputer.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1215768&Sku=ULT31824
Ultra Aluminus Mid Tower/W 500W Bought from Global
Price=$95.71
MB ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA 775 X48 RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$289.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
MEM 2Gx2|COR TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$102.00)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
VGA XFX PVT84JYDF3 8600GT 512M RTL - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$99.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
ADD ON USB 2.0 SYBA| SD-VIA-5U RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$7.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
CPU INTEL|C2Q Q6600 2.4G 775 65N % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$199.99)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
HD 500G|ST 7K 32M SATA2 ST3500320AS - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$89.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
DVD BURN LITE-ON|DH-20A4P-04 20X % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$23.99)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
DVD BURN LG|GSA-H55LK 20X LS BK % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$26.99)
(Shipped from City of Industry, CA)
CPUCOOLER|ARCTIC P4|ACFZ7-PRO R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$26.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
I'm ordering the Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply,$79.99..JIC
I've already got my 32"Monitor
Let me know if I forgot something..Again Thank 4 all your help
rick,
I commend you on your choices. that's gonna be one hellofa rig. well done my friend. I would have recommended DDR2 1066 memory or at least cas 4 6400 instead of cas 5 but it'll be ok, especially if you don't intend on a major OC.
I don't think I can stand it much longer. gonna have to bite the bullet soon and upgrade to a Q9450. I doubt they get much cheaper than $300 in the near future.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. June 2008 @ 19:15
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24. June 2008 @ 19:25 |
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Originally posted by Mort81:
I don't think I can stand it much longer. gonna have to bite the bullet soon and upgrade to a Q9450. I doubt they get much cheaper than $300 in the near future.
i agree Mort im wanting a quad bad. but at one time we never thought the Q6600 would be $189-209 range either..lol
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24. June 2008 @ 19:35 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
http://www.globalcomputer.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1215768&Sku=ULT31824
Ultra Aluminus Mid Tower/W 500W Bought from Global
Price=$95.71
MB ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA 775 X48 RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$289.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
MEM 2Gx2|COR TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$102.00)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
VGA XFX PVT84JYDF3 8600GT 512M RTL - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$99.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
ADD ON USB 2.0 SYBA| SD-VIA-5U RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$7.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
CPU INTEL|C2Q Q6600 2.4G 775 65N % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$199.99)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
HD 500G|ST 7K 32M SATA2 ST3500320AS - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$89.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
DVD BURN LITE-ON|DH-20A4P-04 20X % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$23.99)
(Shipped from Edison, NJ)
DVD BURN LG|GSA-H55LK 20X LS BK % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$26.99)
(Shipped from City of Industry, CA)
CPUCOOLER|ARCTIC P4|ACFZ7-PRO R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$26.99)
(Shipped from Memphis, TN)
I'm ordering the Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply,$79.99..JIC
I've already got my 32"Monitor
Let me know if I forgot something..Again Thank 4 all your help
@rick5446
i looked over what type case you planned on getting.it has the 120mm fan ports front and rear but don't come with the case fans..what type of fans are you goin to go with dont forget to add that to your order gotta keep it cool..lol ic your cost is over $1000.00 so far
me myself..i would go with a better case with more fan space to add for the same price as $69.99 plus it already comes with 2 / 120mm fans front and back i have this case below now and lov'in it all the more than my first case..i bought ..i regret doin..case it was.nt keeping things cool enough so..i wasted money on that case and could have had bought something else instead..i have added more cooler master fans to it sense and my e6750 cool now from 52c in a clear case to 32c in a cooler master case at idle..
Cooler Master Centurion 590 RC-590
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If I get a SATA DVD burner, will a SATA II cable work with it?? Is there even a difference?
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24. June 2008 @ 19:42 |
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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
the PC shop told me there having major problems with the 1066 memory and suggested i use the 800 , is that going to be a problem when i OC my Q9450?
I realize this was quite a few posts back but what kind of problems are they having and with what mobo/chipset?
the mobo you are getting has 4 different fsb straps to choose from at any given cpu frequency. that will give you a total of 11 different memory frequencies to choose from at any given cpu frequency. there is no reason why you can't run DDR2 1066 (or DDR2 800 for that matter) at or very near it's rated speed at any cpu frequency/OC. my corsair DDR2 1066 dominators are running at 1068mhz with my cpu freq at 445mhz.
I was able to keep the memory frequency within 10mhz of its rated speed as I gradually bumped up the cpu frequency from 333mhz to 445mhz which is a cpu clock speed of 4.0ghz and where I set my goal.
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Originally posted by mrk44:
If I get a SATA DVD burner, will a SATA II cable work with it?? Is there even a difference?
SATA is 1.5 Gb/s where as SATA II is 3.0 Gb/s. they're aka known as SATA 1.5 and SATA 3.0 respectively. there a very few SATA 1.5 drives available now as they are becoming obsolete. no difference in the data cables.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
but if you use a lower cpu multiplier(8 as i have done) you can increase the frequency and make your mem run faster.... there is more than 1 way to skin a cat..lol
There is more than one way of course, I like my skinned cat marinated in lime juice and grilled like flank steak fajitas and served with a dry white wine. The Q9450 however with its 8x multi, raising FSB from 333 stock to 425 gives it a 3.4OC if I tried to hit that with 7x multi the FSB would be 486 and that number seemed a bit bigger step from 333 than I was comfortable with. I thought about trying that but felt like my hands were tied with the lower multi. That plus the fact I've been on the road for 2 weeks with my band and was just figuring out how to keep this thing stable as I was leaving. Now I'm back home with inernet and my own toys and I can experiment with things like this.
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