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22. October 2008 @ 14:10 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Originally posted by me262:
I don't know if you've totally debunked the front sensor. When I had mine apart and the sensor was loose, it would actually automatically turn itself on and wanted to accept a disc, the front sensor was the only thing out of place at that point.
Onto my problem. I got the laser assembly in today and hooked it up. Works so far, but now I've run into another issue:
I got a letter from the postmaster about loosing items. Sure enough, it was for the magnetic hub that sits a top of the drive. The envelope had ripped apart somewhere along the line, and the magnet and all the screws spilled out of it, leaving me with an empty letter envelope.
I am now in need of one of these magnetic discs, and preferably for this Saturday. The screws I can get at a local hardware shop. PM me, or reply here.
Well, if you still had that sensor plugged in, it was probably sensing whatever it was near as a disk, which is why it was turning itself on. I made sure mine was positioned with the sensor side facing up, and it functioned normally.
Sorry about the magnets, I've been hearing more and more packages getting ripped open lately..... I don't know of any replacements for them, either :(
I just read about your problem man- that really sucks AND blows. But surely with the postmaster's letter the company is obliged to send you this part themselves- gratis? Also, contact your local independent console repair shop (yellow pages), it sounds like the kind of part that may be floating around. I've seen PS3's irreparably smashed by irate girlfriends. I had one mad ex who would have gleefully smashed everything precious to me given the chance- coz of it's dramatic value :D.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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ballagrl
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22. October 2008 @ 16:06 |
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Originally posted by federicob:
Originally posted by ballagrl:
Originally posted by federicob:
Originally posted by ballagrl:
ok i finally got my ps3 working (well almost) I finally got it to spin discs, it has a slight delay but they start spinning after a few seconds, so far it has read all the games I tested. before it make more clicking noises than normal, and would freeze up a little while loading games. I greased the rods and now that problem seems to be solved.
Now the only thing is that when I turn the ps3 on, the disc drive automatically wants to accept a disc (blue light flashes and the motor runs to try to grab a disc and mount) if I put the disc in at this time, it mounts fine and runs the game. however after the ps3 initially starts up and the blue light stops flashing, the drive no longer wants to accept discs. seems like a simple fix, but everytime something small like that goes wrong, I end up really screwing something up somehow.
can anyone suggest anything? i'm going to continue, CAREFULLY, trying to tweak it so it will work properly, but if someone knows exactly whats up I would greatly appreciate it.
i have the same problem after i open the blu-ray drive, when i turn the ps3 on, the blue light flashes and the motor start for take discks, the problem was the sensor that detect if you put discks in (the one with a red and black thin wires) and not only this, when i put discks in a have to push them a litle for the motor to start swalow the discs. if the sensor works ok you dont need to push the disc for the ps3 to load it, as soon as you put the disk in the drive the sensor checks that and start the motor for load disk, PS: sorry for mi english
so do I need a new sensor then? the red and black wires appear to be intact
i dont think that the sensor is the problem, the most common problem is the wires, in mi case the wires looks ok too, but there are cut inside, to check this you have to use a tester to check continuity in the both ends of the wire, and couse the connector is so small in my case i have to cut the wires and solder directli to the controller board, but the ps3 works ok without the sensor, the onli problem is the blnking blue light when power on and you have to pushe te games for teh ps3 to load them.
ok ill check this out thanks for the info. however my ps3 wont let me push the discs in either, if i push them in after the initial blue light flashing when it first turns on the disc wont mount and the disc will just kinda sit there half spinning, it only mounts when i put the disc in when the blue light is flashing initially.
i already screwed up one laser like that 2 i think, the disc was spinning without being mounted properly and i think it ended up scratching the lens :(. I have another blu-ray cover with the sensor from a replacement drive, i just need to fix a spring on it, ill try that in a little bit.
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Bastard11
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23. October 2008 @ 01:06 |
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Hey everyone here! I'm doing a bit of investigative journalism into this issue. I'm setting up phone interviews with contacts at Sony, Sony's service centers, repair shops, retail outlets and even the manufacturer of the diodes themselves.
What I'm looking for now are copies of the work order forms Sony sends back with repaired and refurb units. I'm looking for two things.. what Sony is claiming as the work done to the units.. and expecially anyone who has had to send in their units more than once. Obviously I'd appreciate if you blocked out any personal information.
If any of you have anything else you think might be of use in blowing the lid off this thing please send it my way.
If you send anything my way don't forget to tell me what model PS3 you had the problem with.
Send all replies to bastard11@shaw.ca with the subject "BD FAIL."
Thanks in advance.
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23. October 2008 @ 03:40 |
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Originally posted by Bastard11:
Hey everyone here! I'm doing a bit of investigative journalism into this issue. I'm setting up phone interviews with contacts at Sony, Sony's service centers, repair shops, retail outlets and even the manufacturer of the diodes themselves.
What I'm looking for now are copies of the work order forms Sony sends back with repaired and refurb units. I'm looking for two things.. what Sony is claiming as the work done to the units.. and expecially anyone who has had to send in their units more than once. Obviously I'd appreciate if you blocked out any personal information.
If any of you have anything else you think might be of use in blowing the lid off this thing please send it my way.
If you send anything my way don't forget to tell me what model PS3 you had the problem with.
Send all replies to bastard11@shaw.ca with the subject "BD FAIL."
Thanks in advance.
Good luck Mr. Bastard11 (why the heck did you pick that nick for this purpose?). I had a hell of a time trying to convince a couple of fanboys on another thread that their PS3's optical drive assemblies weren't particularly well built (just like the PS2's)- and my experience with a repairer of consoles with his own shop relishing the notion anyway seemed to almost go over their heads.
Before I get a ton of abuse... I am NOT saying the PS3 is a bad machine.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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me262
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23. October 2008 @ 14:52 |
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No, the PS3 definitely isn't. I've rebuilt two now for under 200 bucks, both with laser problems. And I've got quite a library of games already in the span of a couple months.
Maybe take a look on fleabay and see how many of them come up that have laser problems.
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fishdropping11 (aka bass turd), I don't really think you'll get a few people doing this. For most of us, our warranties have expired and we're now looking into out of warranty, off the record, or even self service. I know that given the nature of what I've done to mine, I doubt that Sony will even touch my systems as that little warranty seal is broken on one, and non-existent on the other.
I don't really think there's a big conspiracy going on at SCEx for the following reasons:
1. For every person that reports a problem, there are thousands of happy unreported consumers. The IEEE has a standards guideline that a small percentage of products can be expected as faulty. IIRC I think it's under 1% of manufactured units. (Personally, I'd check Microsoft with that problem ^_^)
2. Sony has in the past had trouble with the BD lasers, since the PS3 uses BD, it's not exempt.
3. Testing procedures are different from real world use. They're made to test functionality, not longevity. Just because a unit is tested as working doesn't mean it'll continue to do so after the warranty. (Which is the definition of a warranty, they guarantee it to work for so long before something can go wrong, and they'll pay out of pocket to fix the product if it's defective before that time.)
4. Multiple repairs don't necessarily mean it's the same problem. In Michigan there is a lemon law stating that if a particular part fails three times, it should be replaced (I'm not sure if it's a federal or state law). A retail store I worked at offered a replacement on any three problems, regardless of what they were.
Good luck with your story though! Best of luck!
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23. October 2008 @ 15:52 |
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Originally posted by me262:
No, the PS3 definitely isn't. I've rebuilt two now for under 200 bucks, both with laser problems. And I've got quite a library of games already in the span of a couple months.
Maybe take a look on fleabay and see how many of them come up that have laser problems.
Finding a cheap PS3 on fleabay with a dud laser assembly and fixing it... great idea.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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logan1310
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23. October 2008 @ 16:41 |
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I just wanted to say that in reguard to having Sony fix it they didn't send me a refurbished console but actually sent me the same one I sent in with the blu-ray disc drive fixed. From what I can tell they replaced the entire blu-ray drive because the sensor that causes it to grab the disc out of your hand works now and the blu-ray laser works now. I have opened and tried to fix my PS3, and I happened to lose the torq screw that held the lid, well they replaced that also. I don't know if the $150 was worth it for most of you, but having the 90 day warrenty and not having to mess with import lasers going bad was worth it for me. I've had my PS3 for a week tommorow, so far so good.
By the way my PS3 is the 40gb model.
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ballagrl
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25. October 2008 @ 01:43 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Originally posted by ballagrl:
so do I need a new sensor then? the red and black wires appear to be intact
No, not that sensor anyway. The one with the red and black wires only pulls the disk out of your hand, if it is dead/broken, all you have to do is push the disk in a little further to activate the mechanism.
yup you were absolutely right, I replaced the top of the drive with one from my replacement blu-ray drive and as I was doing so the little yellow piece broke off the red and black wires so i'm guessing it was a little loose to begin with. btw whats the best way to go about putting that little yellow connector piece back on the wires? or is it just a lost cause? The replacement drive top has the system working right for the moment. its now in good working order from the tests i've done (knock on wood...)
I would like to try and fix the wires on the other one if I can, because I plan on selling my other blu-ray drive for parts. its pretty much done cuz the plastic is misaligned, but it does have all the gears, screws and springs so maybe it will help somebody just needing those cause it will go cheaper than the other drives for parts..
decided to sell the fixed ps3 as well. but not until I fully test for a while, I want to make sure nothing messes up cuz I wouldn't wish a busted ps3 on anyone. Got COD4 and GTA4, the 2 ps3 games that are known to screw up the ps3 if it is one to screw up lol, along with every other format disc. let the games begin lol.
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25. October 2008 @ 06:08 |
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I don't know about COD4, but GTAIV may cause problems because of constant referencing/loading. Placing a strain on what is not a real good quality part to begin with.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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25. October 2008 @ 11:19 |
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Originally posted by ballagrl:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Originally posted by ballagrl:
so do I need a new sensor then? the red and black wires appear to be intact
No, not that sensor anyway. The one with the red and black wires only pulls the disk out of your hand, if it is dead/broken, all you have to do is push the disk in a little further to activate the mechanism.
yup you were absolutely right, I replaced the top of the drive with one from my replacement blu-ray drive and as I was doing so the little yellow piece broke off the red and black wires so i'm guessing it was a little loose to begin with. btw whats the best way to go about putting that little yellow connector piece back on the wires? or is it just a lost cause? The replacement drive top has the system working right for the moment. its now in good working order from the tests i've done (knock on wood...)
I would like to try and fix the wires on the other one if I can, because I plan on selling my other blu-ray drive for parts. its pretty much done cuz the plastic is misaligned, but it does have all the gears, screws and springs so maybe it will help somebody just needing those cause it will go cheaper than the other drives for parts..
decided to sell the fixed ps3 as well. but not until I fully test for a while, I want to make sure nothing messes up cuz I wouldn't wish a busted ps3 on anyone. Got COD4 and GTA4, the 2 ps3 games that are known to screw up the ps3 if it is one to screw up lol, along with every other format disc. let the games begin lol.
I guess it could be fixed if there's enough wire left outside the plastic connector, I would just try to solder it together personally. However, if it broke off well inside that connector, then I'm not sure it could be done easily. Usually the metal pieces inside which the wires connect to have a tiny tab that seats them in the plastic. Using some jewelers sized tools you might be able to pop those metal ends out and then, again, I would solder the wires to them.
Good luck!
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25. October 2008 @ 11:25 |
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me262
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27. October 2008 @ 14:02 |
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Yeah. That was my doing. I mailed a few sellers on fleabay and heard back from a few of them. After I paid $10 + $7 Priority for one, that guy listed 3 of them for $10 and free standard shipping. Not complaining too much, since I wanted the magnet for this past weekend, which came right on time as expected.
In any case I popped the magnet on, and the unit worked great on Saturday, although I couldn't run a full blown torture test. Sunday night I was finally able to. Been running Gone in 60 Seconds for 14 hours now. I'm confident that this thing will work gracefully, and I can finally get the RB export license.
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27. October 2008 @ 14:07 |
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Right on! Thanks for making the effort, I'm sure it will help someone else out, too :)
Glad to hear your system is finally working again as well, grats!
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ediamonds
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27. October 2008 @ 18:11 |
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OK so I have been reading almost every page of this issue and have decided to try a fix a 40gb ps3.
I bough it off ebay and it is enroute to me.
If I do determine that the laser is the issue (which is what was advertised in the ebay listing) and opt to buy the correct laser I have just a few questions.
What site has everyone had the best luck with when purchasing a replacement laser?
Is everyone buying JUST the laser or the laser with the deck?
I have seen on several sites that the install is much easier with the deck since there is no calibration? can this be confirmed?
I have modded systems before buy never really played with the laser of the drive before. Not worried about doing so but just want to buy a GOOD laser the first time and if it costs a little extra for the deck to make things easier I will do that.
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me262
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27. October 2008 @ 20:23 |
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Both of mine I have replaced the entire laser assembly (laser + deck).
The deck is just four screws (along with rubber shock absorbers).
Both of mine I've gotten from ebay from Hong Kong sellers. One in a box, the other came in the black plastic container.
You do pay a higher price for the deck, but I say it's worth it, because you don't have to tinker around with the actual laser. Another added bonus is that it's already pre-assembled and ready to be replaced. You're paying for that part to be done for you, and aligned properly, and making sure it's the right laser. If you think you have the ca hones* to do just the laser, more power to you. I stick with the decks because it's a more complete solution.
I'd definitely look at a few youtube videos to see how to open and disassemble. Not all of them go all the way though.
Keep your PS2 around. I believe the 40GB (at least mine) didn't have any PS2 backward compatibility.
Be sure to get the correct laser type. 400A is the single laser, 410A is the twin design. A good test before opening would be to test on a DVD/CD (the twin design will play this fine, it did on mine), and a blu-ray disc (which this may only last a short while, and will knock out both lasers for a while once it takes a dive).
Good luck!
* When climbing up a glass dome, take the jet pack, not the super glue. If you must use the super glue, don't grab your crotch.
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27. October 2008 @ 20:34 |
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I'm not sure about the 400a's blue ray dying taking out the DVD as well, although I suppose it's a possiblity.
If your 40GB has a manufacture date before Jan 08, I believe you'll need the 400A, if it's the newer deck than you'll probably have the dual laser 410A.
I've replaced both the entire deck and also just the laser assembly. The laser assembly was a little more work, but it wasn't so much more to make it not worth doing, it all depends on your confidence with small tools :)
If you do decide to replace just the laser, you only need to take one rail off (the side with two eyelets). The other best hint I can give you is to make sure you have a small phillips screwdriver with a light magnet, those little screws have a habit of jumping over the side and down into the bottom.
Before you rip anything apart, though, test the deck to make sure the laser is actually dead. Stranger things have happened. Try an audio CD, a DVD and a blue ray disk as well. Also, make a note of where the label is when you put a disk in, make sure it isn't coming out in the exactly the same orientation (ie, the drive is spinning disks). That's what I'm currently battling and haven't had much success with it yet.
Good luck, it's fun for sure (and both satisfying and frustrating).
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me262
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28. October 2008 @ 12:56 |
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That was my theory that seems to hold. The dual laser, while the blu-ray one dies, the regular red laser still works. The single one, once one is gone, it's all gone. This would also make sense for the 400A failure rates, as the laser is being used all the time (instead of switching between the two).
The one thing I've done is to go as far as to take off the cover of the BD-ROM. You have to see what type the laser is anyway if it needs replacing. Just put the black lid back on, stick in a disc, and test it out.
Screw shopping today... fun fun.
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28. October 2008 @ 13:04 |
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Originally posted by me262:
That was my theory that seems to hold. The dual laser, while the blu-ray one dies, the regular red laser still works. The single one, once one is gone, it's all gone. This would also make sense for the 400A failure rates, as the laser is being used all the time (instead of switching between the two).
The one thing I've done is to go as far as to take off the cover of the BD-ROM. You have to see what type the laser is anyway if it needs replacing. Just put the black lid back on, stick in a disc, and test it out.
Screw shopping today... fun fun.
What screws are you in need of?
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ediamonds
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28. October 2008 @ 15:48 |
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"before you rip anything apart, though, test the deck to make sure the laser is actually dead. Stranger things have happened. Try an audio CD, a DVD and a blue ray disk as well. Also, make a note of where the label is when you put a disk in, make sure it isn't coming out in the exactly the same orientation (ie, the drive is spinning disks). That's what I'm currently battling and haven't had much success with it yet."
so what scenario am I left with if i put a disc in and it comes out in the same position? I planned on replacing the whole bluray drive. but if this problem is related to a different part of the ps3 I should know before i order a new drive.
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28. October 2008 @ 17:10 |
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The only thing that putting a new blue ray drive in wouldn't fix is if the controller board has died. That's the smaller daughter board that is screwed into the bottom of the blue ray drive. I have tested and confirmed that they are, indeed, married to the motherboard in some way (probably keyed to them like I hear the XBox360's are). However, 99.9% of no disks reading are related to the lasers so it's a pretty darn safe bet that you'd be fine if you did that.
Nothing is a guarantee, though, but I would feel pretty good about your chances :)
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me262
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29. October 2008 @ 00:32 |
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If it does come out in the same position, it means the motor isn't spinning. This doesn't necessarily mean a problem with the motor, as from what I've gathered online that it tests the surface of the disc with both lasers before spinning up, and I've been able to confirm with mine own eyes.
Screws: Most of the ones pertaining to the drive and ps3 lid were lost in the mail. I managed to replace the lid ones by splitting up ones from my other unit and pulling some from a busted PS2 (failed mod attempt). The disc drive I took a few screws from the inside, and screwed them to the outside, trying to secure it as much as possible.
The one that's stumping me is the PS3 outer lid. I can't seem to find a screw for it, and there seems to be a nut missing (I plan to get a small screw and glue a nut to get this going).
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29. October 2008 @ 07:03 |
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I hear ya on the disk check with the laser, but I have lasers which light up blue and red and still no spinning happening at all. Even people who've reported no spinning say it usually tried to move a little bit, I have nada (that's doing this without the blue ray drive top and the top of the PS3 being on).
That security bolt for the top of the PS3 is going to be tough to find I think. If you do locate one post up with size/thread worked for you :)
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29. October 2008 @ 08:50 |
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The one that's stumping me is the PS3 outer lid. I can't seem to find a screw for it, and there seems to be a nut missing (I plan to get a small screw and glue a nut to get this going). Quote:
There is ( or was ) a small u shaped stamped metal pc with a tapped hole in it that lies in the ps3 were the screw attaches. It easily falls out if the ps3 is turned. One of those pcs that comes out of nowhere and you don't remember were it went. Happened to me the first time.
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29. October 2008 @ 10:36 |
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Sorry for the highjack,
I have a ps3 that will not spin the disc,the laser trys to focus (moves a couple of times ) but will not emit light at all ..
the disc bubble shows in the corner when i try to load a disc.
I have another ps3 that works fine , and i tried to swap the blueray drive (Yes i swapped the controller boards out )but it still will not spin or read..(the bubble didnt even show ) i tried swapping the drives without swapping the boards and still nothing.
Does anyone have any suggestions, I was thinking of ordering a new laser????/
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29. October 2008 @ 11:24 |
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This isn't a hijack, it's right on topic!!!!
To be honest, I would say something isn't connected correctly. You should have at least gotten the bubble if you're re-using the same controller board. Triple check that first.
If your original laser isn't lighting up at all, then it is likely the laser.
However, if you can't get your known working drive to work, you could have a controller board problem (as I'm suspecting I have). There is an IC on the controller board which has failed on a few people (very few, low percentage failure) that starts with BD57 (I don't recall the rest). Earlier in this thread it's mentioned with links to replacements.
Let us know if you get that other drive going!!
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