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federicob
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6. November 2008 @ 07:54 |
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here is mi experience:
Ok, I will star from the beginning, my ps3 stop reading disks, and not even load them into the drive (but the games in the hard drive works, so the firmware in the controller is ok), I open the drive, and see the following: the drive do not spin disks, the laser doesn?t move, and the eject bottom does noting, the blue light flash but the eject motor dos not move. So mi firs try was to open another ps3 of a friend and star to swap thing to see what?s happen, and here are the results:
1-Put mi friends drive and use mi controller board, and the result was the same, not load disks, but the games in the Hdd works ok
2-Put mi friends controller board and use mi drive, and now the drive load and eject the disks, spin and the laser works to, but the system dos not recognize the disks and the games in the Hdd does not work eater
Just with this, mi conclusion was:
A-The drive/laser is ok, because when I use mi friends controller board the drive works ok
B-The controller is bad, does not load, eject or play disks (may is some faulty IC in controller), but the Nand chip with the firmware is ok, because the PS3 recognize it because the games in the hdd work
So I start to read a lot In forums and I get the following solutions:
a-change the IC BD7956FS (this controls the motors), and some people think that this is probably the problem in mi drive
b- buy a new controller board (same revision) supposedly can swap it directly
c- buy a new controller board (any) and swap the NAND chips (but here in Argentina I cant find anyone that works with BGA chips)
so what I do firs was to change the IC BD7956FS for a new one, but this does not work, then I bought on ebay 2 controller boards (same revision A 2, and both from a 60GB system, the same as mine) so I put the new controllers and the result was the same as id was with mi friends controller load/eject work, but don?t play disks or hdd games, so my next step was to do a system update with the new drive controller boards in (to 2.50) because 2.50 has a restore system menu and let you do the system update from a pen drive multiple times, and also have other restore options, but after the update with the both drives still the same results.
I also read in some forums that infectus release a chip called infectus 2 that let you read and write the firmware of the ps3, but I think that the firmware that it reads is the firmware stored in the 2 nand chips in motherboard and not the blu-ray nand chip.
reading in the net a lite more a find this 2 (unprobable) possibilities:
1-do a system update with diferen region updates with the new controllers on the ps3, (I try this but doesn?t work for me)
2-a read somwere that is possible to dump/read the bd firmware from mi controller and then flash it to the new one using Linux, but I can find any info on the net about this procedure.
So this is all I try with mi ps3, so any advice for future tests will be appreciated, I really, really thanks you a lot for all your help and support,
Thanks, Federico
PS: sorry for mi english
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6. November 2008 @ 08:22 |
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Federico, your english is very good, I understood everything you said in your post, thanks!
Great information there. Did you put your blue ray drive into your friends PS3 using his controller board? If your drive works, then you can definitely focus in on either the controller board or your motherboard.
I am pretty much have the same problem as you do, however my drive will take in and eject the disks, it just won't spin, even after 5 (yes, FIVE) laser assembly replacements. I haven't heard about using Linux to see the firmware, and to be honest it's not something I would try myself, I cannot imagine screwing that up!!
I think we can pretty much conclude that yes, your blue ray drive controller board is married or keyed to the motherboard. If someone ever figured out a way to break that useless feature I would be one happy dude!!
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federicob
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6. November 2008 @ 08:47 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Federico, your english is very good, I understood everything you said in your post, thanks!
Great information there. Did you put your blue ray drive into your friends PS3 using his controller board? If your drive works, then you can definitely focus in on either the controller board or your motherboard.
I am pretty much have the same problem as you do, however my drive will take in and eject the disks, it just won't spin, even after 5 (yes, FIVE) laser assembly replacements. I haven't heard about using Linux to see the firmware, and to be honest it's not something I would try myself, I cannot imagine screwing that up!!
I think we can pretty much conclude that yes, your blue ray drive controller board is married or keyed to the motherboard. If someone ever figured out a way to break that useless feature I would be one happy dude!!
yes, i put mi drive in mi friends ps3 and it works perfect, so the problem is for shure the controller board, as far as i know the best posibility is to swap the BGA chip that contains the firmware on the blu-ray, but here in argnetina, i can found anyone for do that job, and yes ones someone find a way to bypass this problem i will be a happy dude too!!!
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6. November 2008 @ 08:59 |
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Well, I'll try to figure out that BGA chip you're referring to and try to swap it and see if that works. Is that what the chip is called?
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federicob
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6. November 2008 @ 09:59 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Well, I'll try to figure out that BGA chip you're referring to and try to swap it and see if that works. Is that what the chip is called?
in this link a place a picture of the controller board and i drow a circle around the BGA chip that contains the firmware:
http://www.geocities.com/rosebud_ks/untitled.bmp
i hope that helps you, and if this works for you, please let me know
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wetmonk
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6. November 2008 @ 10:35 |
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Thanks oxbullsey I didn't know without the correct drive controller board you can't even play downloaded games..good test!
Wow Frederico good info and your english is just fine!I was looking all over trying to find which chip contained the controller firmware..I really was not suspecting it was one of the BGA chips (Ok I was really hoping it wasn't). Also that's a shame the drive controller chip did not work for you...doesn't give me much hope.
I have a friend who works in a lab that does rework and such...if I come across the correct pieces (meaning perhaps a good controller card tied to a bad motherboard) I may try to have him do the swap on the board from my 80gb system. If I can ever get this to happen I will of course post results.
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ediamonds
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6. November 2008 @ 19:10 |
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I was wondering if anyone has a link to an open and running ps3 drive that is broken or working so I can see how bright this laser is supposed to be.
mine is so dim I can't imagine it is working properly but I want to have something to compare it to before I order my new kem 400
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6. November 2008 @ 19:47 |
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It should look like a laser pointer, it's definitely not a dim light.
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RichDomi
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6. November 2008 @ 21:36 |
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Originally posted by federicob:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Well, I'll try to figure out that BGA chip you're referring to and try to swap it and see if that works. Is that what the chip is called?
in this link a place a picture of the controller board and i drow a circle around the BGA chip that contains the firmware:
http://www.geocities.com/rosebud_ks/untitled.bmp
i hope that helps you, and if this works for you, please let me know
I read on the net, that chip does not have any pins so currently it is being held with beads of tin solder. So removing it with heat will allow you take it off but I still haven not found how many pins are actually connected. If its not too many then connecting it with some wire might do the trick but if there are like 30 connections point that would be such a pain.
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federicob
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7. November 2008 @ 08:21 |
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Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by federicob:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Well, I'll try to figure out that BGA chip you're referring to and try to swap it and see if that works. Is that what the chip is called?
in this link a place a picture of the controller board and i drow a circle around the BGA chip that contains the firmware:
http://www.geocities.com/rosebud_ks/untitled.bmp
i hope that helps you, and if this works for you, please let me know
I read on the net, that chip does not have any pins so currently it is being held with beads of tin solder. So removing it with heat will allow you take it off but I still haven not found how many pins are actually connected. If its not too many then connecting it with some wire might do the trick but if there are like 30 connections point that would be such a pain.
i already desolder this chip from a broken controller an actualy have 64 pins, and may be wires could be a posible solution (dificult), but the correc way is to do a reball of the solder joins.
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7. November 2008 @ 08:49 |
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Well, I'm going to give it a go tonight or tomorrow. I actually have 4 controller boards, 2 of which are the wrong revision, so I'll practice on those (if I can find my darn heat gun that is....).
If I get anywhere with it I'll post up (after I play for like 12 hours straight!! ;) ).
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wetmonk
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7. November 2008 @ 09:05 |
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Man, 64 pins on that BGA doesn't sound promising to get a clean re-install. good luck with that. judging by how many pins are packed in that small space you won't have much room for error left/right/front/back... i was wondering how to rig up some kind of device or 'template' so that the chip goes back in the exact same spot. actually now that I think of it, a template that clips on the board may not be a bad idea. Anyway, keep us posted.
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federicob
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7. November 2008 @ 10:49 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Well, I'm going to give it a go tonight or tomorrow. I actually have 4 controller boards, 2 of which are the wrong revision, so I'll practice on those (if I can find my darn heat gun that is....).
If I get anywhere with it I'll post up (after I play for like 12 hours straight!! ;) ).
here you have, some close up pictures i take, one is from the bottom side of the chip i pull out with the heat gun, and the other one is from the controller board without the chip:
http://www.geocities.com/rosebud_ks/DSC00933.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/rosebud_ks/DSC00936.jpg
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RichDomi
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7. November 2008 @ 14:52 |
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i am no expert so excuse my ignorance on soldering Since the chip has little nubs on them cant it be placed on top of the connecting points and pressure mounted/Hot glue? I should be getting an new controller board and will try to swap the IC controller chip to see if that fixed my issue crossing my fingers.
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rej915
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7. November 2008 @ 14:53 |
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Sorry to deviate from the current discussion, but I've tested my Blu-Ray drive with the disc exposed and have observed a couple things.
1. The PS3 will load/read/spin any type of disc after a cold boot, in other words when it has been powered off completely for a while. Shortly there after it ceases to function, resulting in the drive failing to read any discs (only displaying the bubble icon).
2. Without a disc in the drive, I initiate the disc read sequence and notice that a violet coloured light emitting from the lens. The lens moves a few times possibly in an attempt to read the a disc, and then disappears.
My questions are; First, what is your take on (#1)? It seems as though it is heat related. Second, does the laser still need replacing even if light is emitting from within the lens.
Based on what I've read thus far I am leaning towards changing the laser, but I appreciate any feedback. Lastly, to anyone who has changed their laser, how many are still working currently. Or is this repair going to be every 1-2yrs.
Great work so far and I look forward to reading more.
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Tim_Olson
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7. November 2008 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by 561427:
Originally posted by colombo76:
Yeah I kinda suspect that my issue is the BD board/IC chip. I called Sony and let them know it happened after the update to 2.42. They said they would replace it even though I didn't have the receipt... I didn't tell them I opened up my unit. I'm expecting the coffin inna couple of days. We'll see how it goes with the sticker having been removed. Seems like they know there's an issue with the 2.42 update though... sucks I wasted my money with psxboy (they're thieves)... and that I opened my case.
you should be ok. i called sony yesterday and got a box coming. i said the 2.41 firmware killed it and that i tried to replace the lens myself and only got the ability to play blu ray media. BUT i said i would be glad to pay the 150 if i could get it fixed. she said yes i could send it in and get it repaired. i then told her i managed to break a connector that holds the ribbon to the mother board... i know im an idiot. but she said that the tech would make a descision and may or may not repair/ replace the ps3. but worst case they would send it back and that i would NOT be charged the 150. but i will update you guys along the way.
I never saw if Sony fixed your PS3. I managed to do exactly the same thing - the gate broke as I removed the ribbon cable the first time.
From what I've been able to see, Sony can refuse to repair your PS3 for any reason. replacing that connector does not look like a lot of fun.
peace, Tim O
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ollibear
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8. November 2008 @ 11:12 |
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Hallo
I am from Germany.I habe a problem. My PS3 60GB is dead, the Laser is broken. My problem is .I have change the Laser unit. Now the PS3 is reading DVD and CD ,because no blue ray. The games from HDD are running now.
I testet the Laser in a same PS3 60 GB, now the Laser is reading blue ray DVD and CD. The Laser is O.K. What can I do. Is the controller board dead ??
Sorry for my English
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Ryan4069
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8. November 2008 @ 11:32 |
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Originally posted by rej915:
My questions are; First, what is your take on (#1)? It seems as though it is heat related. Second, does the laser still need replacing even if light is emitting from within the lens.
It could be a current protection circuit that is causing your problem. If a component has gone bad and is drawing too much current, it protects itself.
Ryan
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Ryan4069
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8. November 2008 @ 11:39 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Well, I'll try to figure out that BGA chip you're referring to and try to swap it and see if that works. Is that what the chip is called?
If it actually a BGA, you wont be able to put it back on once its off. I think someone is using the wrong terminology. Google it.
Ryan
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federicob
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8. November 2008 @ 14:04 |
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Originally posted by Ryan4069:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Well, I'll try to figure out that BGA chip you're referring to and try to swap it and see if that works. Is that what the chip is called?
If it actually a BGA, you wont be able to put it back on once its off. I think someone is using the wrong terminology. Google it.
Ryan
BGA means BALL GRID ARRAY and the terminology is ok, and yes, it is posible tu put it back, here you have two video showing that, the first one is the right prosess, the second one is a home made prosess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeanpujmuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrP4KFwP1B4
and there is a lot more info in the net about reballing BGA chips, federico
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Fiction88
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8. November 2008 @ 17:58 |
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Just thought I'd add my experience
On Tuesday picked up a 40gig Ceramic White ps3 for $80 on Craigslist. He said it needed a new Blu-Ray lens and they were available online. I figured the guy wasn't tech saavy and didn't want to bother. I read through the entirety of this thread and ordered a lens. I bought it from techloops.com on Wednesday. It was $65 shipped to AZ and came in today. Excitedly I started working on it.
Then I discovered the guy had already disassembled the ps3 before. All the bolts had a little wear on them and I thought maybe the guy had already tried to replace the lens and I was going to be SOL. But unthwarted, I continued on. Then I got all the way down to removing the lens from the tracks those bolts were factory tight and mark free. So it looks like he had got all the way down there and decided not to bother. The replacement was easy and took about 15 minutes all together. If I ever do it again (hopefully I won't have to) it'll be much faster.
Anyhow, I reassembled it and fired it up. I put in Warhawk and a few seconds later it started up. I didn't feel like playing a game so I swapped in a BD movie and it's been playing ever since. So the drive has worked for about 50 minutes so far and I'm hoping it continues to. I'll update if it craps out. I'd like to give props to the vendor. Techloops.com is in CA, has the part in stock, shipped extremely fast and it wasn't a bunk part. Thumbs up from me! HK vendors are pretty sketch from the posts I've read on this thread. Keep it in the US guys, that way you actually have someone to reach out to.
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Surfaced
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8. November 2008 @ 18:03 |
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Originally posted by Fiction88:
Just thought I'd add my experience
On Tuesday picked up a 40gig Ceramic White ps3 for $80 on Craigslist. He said it needed a new Blu-Ray lens and they were available online. I figured the guy wasn't tech saavy and didn't want to bother. I read through the entirety of this thread and ordered a lens. I bought it from techloops.com on Wednesday. It was $65 shipped to AZ and came in today. Excitedly I started working on it.
Then I discovered the guy had already disassembled the ps3 before. All the bolts had a little wear on them and I thought maybe the guy had already tried to replace the lens and I was going to be SOL. But unthwarted, I continued on. Then I got all the way down to removing the lens from the tracks those bolts were factory tight and mark free. So it looks like he had got all the way down there and decided not to bother. The replacement was easy and took about 15 minutes all together. If I ever do it again (hopefully I won't have to) it'll be much faster.
Anyhow, I reassembled it and fired it up. I put in Warhawk and a few seconds later it started up. I didn't feel like playing a game so I swapped in a BD movie and it's been playing ever since. So the drive has worked for about 50 minutes so far and I'm hoping it continues to. I'll update if it craps out. I'd like to give props to the vendor. Techloops.com is in CA, has the part in stock, shipped extremely fast and it wasn't a bunk part. Thumbs up from me! HK vendors are pretty sketch from the posts I've read on this thread. Keep it in the US guys, that way you actually have someone to reach out to.
Wow, you got a CERAMIC WHITE ps3 for just $80?
Man, I way over-payed. Dropped about $180 on a standard Black 40gb before buying the replacement laser.
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Fiction88
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8. November 2008 @ 18:18 |
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Yup, he wanted $100, told him $80 and I'll pick it up immediately. It did not include a control. I'm not sure how many of these busted ps3s people are buying in hopes of fixing are comimg with anything, though.
Also, I'll add that I read somewhere in this thread that smoke damages the lenses. Well, this guys apartment was so disgusting it was unbelievable. It smelled worse than the smokiest bar you could imagine. I was there for 3 minutes and I had to change when I got home. The box smells like it, and when the ps3 fans turn on you can still smell it. I'm hoping it goes away but I wouldn't doubt that the smoke did have ill effects on the lens.
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RichDomi
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8. November 2008 @ 19:17 |
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Originally posted by federicob:
BGA means BALL GRID ARRAY and the terminology is ok, and yes, it is posible tu put it back, here you have two video showing that, the first one is the right prosess, the second one is a home made prosess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeanpujmuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrP4KFwP1B4
and there is a lot more info in the net about reballing BGA chips, federico
Wow this is great I did not think it would be that simple, the hardest part is making sure that it is aligned right. I need to pratice some soldering :-)
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8. November 2008 @ 19:35 |
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It always looks easier in a video :)
The silkscreening on that motherboard made realigning it a piece of cake. I don't know if there's an outline on the controller board, i haven't found my heat gun yet :(
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