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federicob
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15. November 2008 @ 16:43 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Wow, just WOW!
Federico, congrats man, I applaud your resolve and your guts to even try it. I've been unable to locate my heat gun (haven't had much time anyway), so I'll be making a run to Home Depot to buy one.
Also, Federico, was the board you put the BGA on the same rev as your original one? I have different ones (mine is A4, I have an A3 and A1 as well as another A4 from a YLOD 60gb board which I'm trying to fix), so if I can try this with the A3 or A1 that would be best!
I don't know if re-flowing the BGA back onto the original controller board would work, I believe something else is wrong....
Everyone, you're saying rubbing alcohol but you need to use a 90% mix, the usual one has too much water in it and is definitely able to leave streaks, so make sure it's a 90% blend.
in my case bouth controllers were A 2, but in mi reserch i find someting interesting about "same revision thing", i think that the revision number is not only given for the A X leter/number, the number in the back in mi case 1-871-575-XX must be the same too for the controller to be identical, i have 4 controllers all A 2 but in the back the numbers are the following:
1-871-575-34
1-871-575-34
1-871-575-24 (this one is the one from mi ps3)
1-871-575-14
and i found this:
if the number in the back is not the same the controller dosent have the same esact green background color, some controller are darcker than the others, but if the number is teh same, the color is esactly identical.
so mi conclusion is that may be the controller must have the same front and back numbers to be the same revision, and may be this is the reason because some people say that they can swap controller with the same A X number and some people cant.
by the way, i think that you can swap BGA chips with any other controller, so using any that you have at hand will work.
PS: tomorrow (if i have time) i will try to uploade some pictures and a little tutorial of the BGA desolder and resolder thing
Federico
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federicob
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16. November 2008 @ 17:32 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Wow, just WOW!
Federico, congrats man, I applaud your resolve and your guts to even try it. I've been unable to locate my heat gun (haven't had much time anyway), so I'll be making a run to Home Depot to buy one.
Also, Federico, was the board you put the BGA on the same rev as your original one? I have different ones (mine is A4, I have an A3 and A1 as well as another A4 from a YLOD 60gb board which I'm trying to fix), so if I can try this with the A3 or A1 that would be best!
I don't know if re-flowing the BGA back onto the original controller board would work, I believe something else is wrong....
Everyone, you're saying rubbing alcohol but you need to use a 90% mix, the usual one has too much water in it and is definitely able to leave streaks, so make sure it's a 90% blend.
This is a link of a video i made, the video is a tutorial for swaping the BGA chip of the Controller board (i use one of the non working controllers i have to do the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zh46cR6k3s
by the way, it could take several trais to do it right, so if does not work for you the first time you must do all the prosses all over again, mi first atemp of swaping the BGA chip tooks me 3 tries to get the job done, i hope this video helps, Federico
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16. November 2008 @ 19:05 |
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Fantastic Federico, thanks for the video. I'm hoping to pick up a heat gun tomorrow and give it a shot. If I can resurrect the PS3 I'll be dancing in the streets!
Bullseye
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Shaddow08
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17. November 2008 @ 00:20 |
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Shaddow08
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17. November 2008 @ 00:26 |
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Oh one more thing a heat gun will melt the solder but will destroy everything around the chip!!!!!!! and most BGA chip's can only be reheated so many times before they are no good
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Shaddow08
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17. November 2008 @ 00:34 |
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Great video federicob!!!!!
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17. November 2008 @ 07:39 |
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Yes, a heat gun can destroy the surrounding circuit board and de-solder chips in close proximity. It takes a keen eye and a heat gun with temperature settings to do it correctly.
It would be nice to be able to buy a surface mount solder machine, but that's just not in my budget, if it was I'd just buy a brand new PS3 and go from there :)
Don't even get me started about fixing 360's, towels are pretty cheap ;)
Bullseye
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ediamonds
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17. November 2008 @ 21:01 |
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that reballing video was pretty good. makes me want to try.. dont have the balls yet
you think you could do that with the xbox 360 gpu/cpu?
anyway coming close to buying a kem400 saw one on ebay NEW for 69.99 free shipping
and messaged someone who bought one from that guy and he said it worked perfectly.
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RichDomi
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18. November 2008 @ 00:43 |
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Originally posted by federicob:
This is a link of a video i made, the video is a tutorial for swaping the BGA chip of the Controller board (i use one of the non working controllers i have to do the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zh46cR6k3s
by the way, it could take several trais to do it right, so if does not work for you the first time you must do all the prosses all over again, mi first atemp of swaping the BGA chip tooks me 3 tries to get the job done, i hope this video helps, Federico
when you did this was there enough formation of solder to get a good contact? was it the reason you had to try a few times? I have to find a place around my way that sells solder paste can wire solder also be used?
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18. November 2008 @ 06:55 |
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Rich,
I've seen numerous youtube videos with people using a thin tip soldering iron with wire solder, so yes. I really liked Federico's idea of using the paste, though, I have to admit I wasn't looking forward to 64 teeny tiny solders :)
Bullseye
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RichDomi
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18. November 2008 @ 09:18 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Rich,
I've seen numerous youtube videos with people using a thin tip soldering iron with wire solder, so yes. I really liked Federico's idea of using the paste, though, I have to admit I wasn't looking forward to 64 teeny tiny solders :)
Yeah I hear ya. I found the specs for the chip and was thinking of getting that quick stencil from solder.net. It would have to be custome made but I would need to find at least 5 people who would like to cover the cost. And i guess with this way we get two stencils each and it should work on the first try.
There is another option the ezreball which in the template already has the solder balls and just need to heat it up to flow the solder. that is 105 but you get a pack of 15 which comes out to 7 bucks a piece.
.8mm Pitch
ball size is between .3 to .4mm and .18mm thick
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20. November 2008 @ 23:10 |
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ok, so i received my laser today, popped it in and bam (nothin)
double checked all the cables , still nothing, disc spins a few times for about 4-5 seconds but then comes to a complete stop, i put a clear disc in to check for the blue light. when it first focus the blue light appeared but all other attempts after the first will emit red, (maybe because the clear disc) I tried swapping disc drives and putting the new laser in and still same results..any help..
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Shaddow08
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21. November 2008 @ 14:41 |
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does the new laser have a white clip on it if so chances are it is bad and you should return it to the sender and order one with the brown clip as they are new and the ones with the white clip are cheap china refurb's 4 out of every 10 are bad see thread http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/719199#4370037
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21. November 2008 @ 17:26 |
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I know about the white clips, this has a brown clip and i swapped it out with one of my working ps3's and it is indeed a bad laser.
I bought it off ebay, seller statements "tested before ship" and now I have to pay return fees and another waiting delay, what a rip off.
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Shaddow08
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21. November 2008 @ 17:51 |
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Sorry to hear that they probably sold you used junk they should not make you pay return shipping next time you should buy anything ps3 from my suppler he has never ripped me off he is out of CA and can get you any ps3 parts http://myworld.ebay.com/fuzionelectronics just email him :)
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RichDomi
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21. November 2008 @ 20:03 |
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Originally posted by boneyard:
ok, so i received my laser today, popped it in and bam (nothin)
double checked all the cables , still nothing, disc spins a few times for about 4-5 seconds but then comes to a complete stop, i put a clear disc in to check for the blue light. when it first focus the blue light appeared but all other attempts after the first will emit red, (maybe because the clear disc) I tried swapping disc drives and putting the new laser in and still same results..any help..
since your disk spins and the light turns on it could be your IC chip that is causing the problem.
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Shaddow08
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21. November 2008 @ 20:29 |
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The IC is what spins the disk and moves the worm gear. If it were bad nether would move or work at all. IC chips dont go bad half working... They go bad not working at all no movement at all!! I.E. disk spins IC GOOD disk or worm gear not moving bad laser or the IC is bad!!
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22. November 2008 @ 08:59 |
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It is indeed the laser, I swapped it out with a working laser at it works.
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22. November 2008 @ 09:52 |
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Glad to hear it (well, sort of glad, at least it's not something worse) boneyard. It's pretty amazing how pitiful the good % is on these items, I understand the whole 'newer tech' and all, but c'mon, out of the box failures are unacceptable.
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22. November 2008 @ 10:57 |
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I agree, The ebayer says , O "lasers are very fragile", as if I was goign to install one and didn't know this , by the way it could be a honest error on his part but to make everyone aware he is on ebay ..sjsharks903so keep that in mind if you dont want to pay return shipping cost...
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22. November 2008 @ 17:01 |
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Well, my first two attempts were failures. I'm pretty pissed off so I'm probably going to give up. I removed the BGA, cleaned it, soldered it, put it onto another board (from an A4 to and A1) and now I get nothing, no blue light, no disk motions at all, it's like it doesn't exist.
I've spent the better half of the last year trying to get this fucking thing going, I'm very happy for all of the help I've received here but I am probably done with the PS3 forever.
Bullseye
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Nate_Hale
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22. November 2008 @ 19:35 |
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Hey. I have a launch 60gb and I think the drive is going dead. About a month ago it started taking about 3 inserts b4 the disc would read. Now it takes 20-50(i watch a movie). When it finally reads it works fine, no problems. Does anyone know what the problem could be?
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RichDomi
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23. November 2008 @ 21:32 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Well, my first two attempts were failures. I'm pretty pissed off so I'm probably going to give up. I removed the BGA, cleaned it, soldered it, put it onto another board (from an A4 to and A1) and now I get nothing, no blue light, no disk motions at all, it's like it doesn't exist.
I've spent the better half of the last year trying to get this fucking thing going, I'm very happy for all of the help I've received here but I am probably done with the PS3 forever.
Well I am on the same boat I tried today but no success I am not sure if I overheated the chip I put it back with the original board and now it won't even take in the disk or play demo. I tried it so many times and still no go, so I guess it this the end for it. But i can't complain I only paid 75 bucks for it and got an extra good working bluray drive and extra axxis controller as well.
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23. November 2008 @ 21:56 |
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Yeah, I'm pretty bummed out. I had so much hope after Federico was successful, I might give it another go, I'm hoping that I just didn't get enough solder on the IC. I've tried three times, though. I'm going to try to find a different kind of solder paste, the one I had is primarily for tinning copper pipes and hobby projects....
Bullseye
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PS3guy
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24. November 2008 @ 00:44 |
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I also have a similar problem. I took apart the PS3 and the drive unit. When I load any disc the red laser tries to read but then goes off after about 2 seconds and disc does not spin. From the above situation it seems that the laser unit may be the problem and not the entire mechanical system.
I thought of replacing the entire drive but cud not find any sites selling those. Any help appreciated. Most sites just have the laser drive. Looks like that may be the main cause. If the laser does not sense then the disc may not turn at all.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Toger
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