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RichDomi
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8. November 2008 @ 20:18 |
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Your right lol, alteast taking it apart looks like the easy part.
I was checking out this site http://www.solder.net/stencilquik/default.asp they have different options but this stencilquick might be a nice solution using solder paste instead. The only set back is that it cost about 70 bucks for a pack of 10.
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wetmonk
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8. November 2008 @ 21:41 |
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Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by federicob:
BGA means BALL GRID ARRAY and the terminology is ok, and yes, it is posible tu put it back, here you have two video showing that, the first one is the right prosess, the second one is a home made prosess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeanpujmuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrP4KFwP1B4
and there is a lot more info in the net about reballing BGA chips, federico
Wow this is great I did not think it would be that simple, the hardest part is making sure that it is aligned right. I need to pratice some soldering :-)
It looks awfully simple...I just wish there was some text along with the video to tell what was going on. Can someone explain to me how (in the homebrew-type video) running a soldering iron across the pins reballs them? Looks to me like he was just cleaning the old solder off the chip... I didn't see where they put it back on?
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federicob
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8. November 2008 @ 22:54 |
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Originally posted by wetmonk:
Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by federicob:
BGA means BALL GRID ARRAY and the terminology is ok, and yes, it is posible tu put it back, here you have two video showing that, the first one is the right prosess, the second one is a home made prosess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeanpujmuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrP4KFwP1B4
and there is a lot more info in the net about reballing BGA chips, federico
Wow this is great I did not think it would be that simple, the hardest part is making sure that it is aligned right. I need to pratice some soldering :-)
It looks awfully simple...I just wish there was some text along with the video to tell what was going on. Can someone explain to me how (in the homebrew-type video) running a soldering iron across the pins reballs them? Looks to me like he was just cleaning the old solder off the chip... I didn't see where they put it back on?
yes, its looks simple but its just the look, i try to explain step by step the way to do it like you see in video number 2(take in mind that the correct metod is like you see in vido number 1, the video number 2 is a home made metod and could fail) by the way the video does not show some important steps:
1. with a heat gur or a hot air solder station heat the chip doing circle moves until you can carefully pull it out IMPOTANT!!!: DO NOT PULL HARD
2. use flux and a desoldering braid to clean the chip and the controller
3.put a lot of flux in the chip and start to put solder (solder paste better) heat it with the air gun solder station or with the solder iron as you see in the video (this way you are "reballing" the chip)
4.clean the excess of flux with isopropilic alcohol
5.put a thiny layer of flux in the controller and then put and allign the chip (there are thiny marks in the controller for correct allignament)
6.start to heat the chip gently until it gets firmly atached as you see in the video.
7.try it, if not work, heat it a litle bit more, and try again if it not work stat all over again.
IMPORATAN!!!, you can literaly fied your controller with this metod if you heat it for too long !!!
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federicob
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8. November 2008 @ 23:23 |
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Originally posted by wetmonk:
Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by federicob:
BGA means BALL GRID ARRAY and the terminology is ok, and yes, it is posible tu put it back, here you have two video showing that, the first one is the right prosess, the second one is a home made prosess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeanpujmuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrP4KFwP1B4
and there is a lot more info in the net about reballing BGA chips, federico
Wow this is great I did not think it would be that simple, the hardest part is making sure that it is aligned right. I need to pratice some soldering :-)
It looks awfully simple...I just wish there was some text along with the video to tell what was going on. Can someone explain to me how (in the homebrew-type video) running a soldering iron across the pins reballs them? Looks to me like he was just cleaning the old solder off the chip... I didn't see where they put it back on?
by the way here you have a better video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1InDsWCjQ
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wetmonk
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10. November 2008 @ 10:55 |
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Originally posted by RichDomi:
Your right lol, alteast taking it apart looks like the easy part.
I was checking out this site http://www.solder.net/stencilquik/default.asp they have different options but this stencilquick might be a nice solution using solder paste instead. The only set back is that it cost about 70 bucks for a pack of 10.
Thanks for this site...they've got some pretty awesome stuff by the looks of it. That EZ reball kit with the templates also looks good. Anyone interested in splitting one of these kits? I'd be willing to buy and then split/ship out and you could pay me via paypal. Let me know. I'm anxious to see if this would work but not anxious to shell out $70 to find it doesn't!
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10. November 2008 @ 12:34 |
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Hey,
Sorry everybody, I honestly haven't had 10 free minutes in over a week now, long story but hopefully I'll have some spare time this week and give this a whirl. I have 4 controller boards in total, so I can practice on one first. I am a formerly certified solderer from a previous life, so I should (SHOULD) possibly have some of the skills to do this as shown in the videos (thanks for those Federico, they're really good ones!).
If/when I actually get to this, believe me, I'll post up the results :)
Bullseye
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RichDomi
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10. November 2008 @ 13:19 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Hey,
Sorry everybody, I honestly haven't had 10 free minutes in over a week now, long story but hopefully I'll have some spare time this week and give this a whirl. I have 4 controller boards in total, so I can practice on one first. I am a formerly certified solderer from a previous life, so I should (SHOULD) possibly have some of the skills to do this as shown in the videos (thanks for those Federico, they're really good ones!).
If/when I actually get to this, believe me, I'll post up the results :)
Thats great man, hopefully if this works you can make some business on the side lol
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federicob
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10. November 2008 @ 13:24 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Hey,
Sorry everybody, I honestly haven't had 10 free minutes in over a week now, long story but hopefully I'll have some spare time this week and give this a whirl. I have 4 controller boards in total, so I can practice on one first. I am a formerly certified solderer from a previous life, so I should (SHOULD) possibly have some of the skills to do this as shown in the videos (thanks for those Federico, they're really good ones!).
If/when I actually get to this, believe me, I'll post up the results :)
Hi, yesterday i start to practice the desoder/solder thing in one of the controller boards, the ones that doesnt match mi system, I do this.
1- I use a heat gun to desoder the chip, very easy, it takes only 40 seconds.
2- I clean the chip and the controller, then reball the chip as you see in the videos
3- I apply flux to the controller, then I align the chip, and then I resolder it with the heat gun, I use a small tweezers to hold it in pace, because the air moves it.
The results was the following:
1- test the controller before start the process (load disks, the laser moves and emit light, the disk spins, but because the controller doesn?t match the system does not play games)
2- ones I take out the chip I try the controller an its completely dead (dos not load disks, the laser dos not move, the disk does not spin at all)
3- after mi firs attempt to resolder the controller was still completely dead
4- but after mi second attempt the controller was back to life, everything works the same way as before the rework
so mi conclusion is : Its possible to do the swap this way, the problem is this: I still does not have the guts to try it on the matching controller board.
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10. November 2008 @ 13:46 |
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That's good news Federico, thanks.
My original controller board was already damaged thanks to the wanker I bought it from not packaging it properly for shipping, so I don't have much to lose. I still haven't found my heat gun, though, but I do have a small propane soldering iron that can be used without a tip as a heat gun, I may try that one (I have a ton of old motherboards from my desktop and laptop hobby that are dead already :) ).
Bullseye
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grazyc
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12. November 2008 @ 15:10 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Hi Rich,
I was a lurker for a while like you :)
Here are the possible causes for your drive not giving you that 'bubble'.
1) As you already indicated, the BD57xxxxxxx chip. That is a very likely cause.
2) Cable failure.
3) Bad firmware update. If the motherboard is on one revision and the blue ray controller card is on another I do not believe you'll get anything other than disks going in and being ejected.
You do not need to be a soldering expert to remove the chip, although having some experience is definitely a must. If you're not comfortable doing it I would consider going to a local laptop repair shop and seeing if they have a certified solderer on the premises.
Since you have a good 80gb system, maybe you can try moving that large drive to motherboard cable to the 40gb and see if that works.
If you haven't already updated the 40gb system, I would do so and try again. I personally experienced an out of sync controller board/motherboard firmware issue.
Good luck and post up what finally works!
Hi all, just need some confirmation if possible as I'm a little confused and not been back for a while. I have a system which never displays the 'bubble' however will load and eject disks fine and play downloaded games.
I have replaced the lazer (complete mechanism less board) with no joy. The lazer could be a faulty one as it seems that many people of reported this.
I have checked the disk and it spins (never in same position that is was loaded in)
I have updated the firmware so it's unlikely to be this.
I was going to replace the chip but never got round to it, now winter is here I have time to play. The confusion I have is other people (only a few) who don't get the 'bubble' also have problems loading disks. Mine does all that fine......any thoughts
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12. November 2008 @ 16:18 |
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grazy,
I think people who have trouble physically loading disks are in a different boat or are unlucky enough to have multiple issues (sometimes caused by not re-assembling the drive properly, as I have personally experienced ;) ).
The fact that you're not seeing a bubble tells me that the drive isn't recognizing any disk is inserted at all. Do you hear the motor spin up when you put in a disk?
Bullseye
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grazyc
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13. November 2008 @ 13:41 |
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Thanks for the quick response....
If you mean the motor which spins the disk, that definately works as the disk can spin for ages, I guess when trying to read it. If I recal correctly I also see the lazer assy move. Hope this helps with your diagnosis of my problem.
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wetmonk
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13. November 2008 @ 14:40 |
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Originally posted by grazyc:
Thanks for the quick response....
If you mean the motor which spins the disk, that definately works as the disk can spin for ages, I guess when trying to read it. If I recal correctly I also see the lazer assy move. Hope this helps with your diagnosis of my problem.
So you've replaced the laser assembly and the symptoms haven't changed. The disc spins, and the laser moves, so it sounds like that drive controller IC chip on the board is good. Sounds like the problem is somewhere else...possibly up the line on the controller card. This is interesting since the motherboard still knows the BD drive is there and since you say you can still play downloaded games, etc. that would rule out a bad ribbon cable leading to the drive.
I wonder if the BGA chip that holds the firmware is messed up, even though it lets you play downloaded games and detects the drive. I don't know if that's possible or not - oxbullsey probably knows more.
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federicob
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14. November 2008 @ 17:39 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
That's good news Federico, thanks.
My original controller board was already damaged thanks to the wanker I bought it from not packaging it properly for shipping, so I don't have much to lose. I still haven't found my heat gun, though, but I do have a small propane soldering iron that can be used without a tip as a heat gun, I may try that one (I have a ton of old motherboards from my desktop and laptop hobby that are dead already :) ).
I STILL CANT BELIBE IT!!!, today i get the streght and confiadence to try to swap the BGA chip from mi dead controller boad to a new one, i do all the precces explained in my previous post, and ones i try it on the ps3 i cant belibe mi eyes, THE PS3 IS WORKING !!!, load and play games movies and cds, so here is mi conclusion:
1- the key that links the controller to the motherboard is in the BGA chip
2- is posible to swap it (it was dificult but posible)
I´M SO HAPPY, not only because i made mi ps3 working again, but for the challange it was, thanks everyone for your help and suport, Federcico
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benanz300
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14. November 2008 @ 18:35 |
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ok This is so weird ..I got this PS3 for 130 bucks wouldnt play any blu ray media ...replaced the laser wouldnt read blu ray move apocolypto but played MGS4 fine I beat the whole game and played online for about 5 hrs strait no issues at all so I figured certain movies have issues from what I hear no worries............so today I get a game pass and rent fallout 3 and LBP ..and I get the bubble for a few secons then ot goes away and it stops spinning with both games I put back in MGS4 plays fine...plays all demos from hdd just fine ...im doing a full format restore but doubt that will work anyone have any ideas HELP PLEASE!!!!
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benanz300
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14. November 2008 @ 18:40 |
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oh forgot to add I can play DVD movied and cds fine..also burn some divx movies and they played fine too ....and i took it apart again and checked to make sure everything looked ok on BD drive put it back together still the same MGS4 is the only game it will read
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14. November 2008 @ 18:43 |
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Originally posted by benanz300:
ok This is so weird ..I got this PS3 for 130 bucks wouldnt play any blu ray media ...replaced the laser wouldnt read blu ray move apocolypto but played MGS4 fine I beat the whole game and played online for about 5 hrs strait no issues at all so I figured certain movies have issues from what I hear no worries............so today I get a game pass and rent fallout 3 and LBP ..and I get the bubble for a few secons then ot goes away and it stops spinning with both games I put back in MGS4 plays fine...plays all demos from hdd just fine ...im doing a full format restore but doubt that will work anyone have any ideas HELP PLEASE!!!!
It could be simply a dirty lens or a loose connector, I'd clean the lens properly use a can of compressed air to clean out the ps3 while you're in there and double check all the connectors.
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benanz300
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14. November 2008 @ 18:46 |
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what can i use to clean the lens with ??? would rubbing alcohol work?
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RichDomi
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14. November 2008 @ 19:15 |
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Originally posted by federicob:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
That's good news Federico, thanks.
My original controller board was already damaged thanks to the wanker I bought it from not packaging it properly for shipping, so I don't have much to lose. I still haven't found my heat gun, though, but I do have a small propane soldering iron that can be used without a tip as a heat gun, I may try that one (I have a ton of old motherboards from my desktop and laptop hobby that are dead already :) ).
I STILL CANT BELIBE IT!!!, today i get the streght and confiadence to try to swap the BGA chip from mi dead controller boad to a new one, i do all the precces explained in my previous post, and ones i try it on the ps3 i cant belibe mi eyes, THE PS3 IS WORKING !!!, load and play games movies and cds, so here is mi conclusion:
1- the key that links the controller to the motherboard is in the BGA chip
2- is posible to swap it (it was dificult but posible)
I´M SO HAPPY, not only because i made mi ps3 working again, but for the challange it was, thanks everyone for your help and suport, Federcico
This is great news!! I wonder if the controler board needs to be exactly the same as the one I am replacing. Can't wait for my board to come in to start the process.
Now this brings to question if the IC chip is not the problem and transfering the BGA chip to the new controller fixed the issue could it be something else on the board that is causing the problem or maybe one of the connections on the bga chip crossed with another? and would redoing the whole chip with new solder on the same board also fix the issue?
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14. November 2008 @ 19:52 |
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Originally posted by benanz300:
what can i use to clean the lens with ??? would rubbing alcohol work?
rubbing alchohol, nail polish remover, basically anything that evaporates easily and dosent leave streaks.
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RichDomi
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14. November 2008 @ 20:24 |
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Originally posted by canuckerz:
Originally posted by benanz300:
what can i use to clean the lens with ??? would rubbing alcohol work?
rubbing alchohol, nail polish remover, basically anything that evaporates easily and dosent leave streaks.
I dont think using acetone(nail polish) is the best thing to use as it will strips any special layer that is on the lense. Stick to rubbing alcohol.
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14. November 2008 @ 21:34 |
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Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by canuckerz:
Originally posted by benanz300:
what can i use to clean the lens with ??? would rubbing alcohol work?
rubbing alchohol, nail polish remover, basically anything that evaporates easily and dosent leave streaks.
I dont think using acetone(nail polish) is the best thing to use as it will strips any special layer that is on the lense. Stick to rubbing alcohol.
Nail polish is what I used to clean the PS2's lense whenever it got gummed up. I suppose better safe than sorry with the ps3 though, but it never hurt anything with the ps2.
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15. November 2008 @ 09:48 |
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Wow, just WOW!
Federico, congrats man, I applaud your resolve and your guts to even try it. I've been unable to locate my heat gun (haven't had much time anyway), so I'll be making a run to Home Depot to buy one.
Also, Federico, was the board you put the BGA on the same rev as your original one? I have different ones (mine is A4, I have an A3 and A1 as well as another A4 from a YLOD 60gb board which I'm trying to fix), so if I can try this with the A3 or A1 that would be best!
I don't know if re-flowing the BGA back onto the original controller board would work, I believe something else is wrong....
Everyone, you're saying rubbing alcohol but you need to use a 90% mix, the usual one has too much water in it and is definitely able to leave streaks, so make sure it's a 90% blend.
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wetmonk
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15. November 2008 @ 13:50 |
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Originally posted by federicob:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
That's good news Federico, thanks.
My original controller board was already damaged thanks to the wanker I bought it from not packaging it properly for shipping, so I don't have much to lose. I still haven't found my heat gun, though, but I do have a small propane soldering iron that can be used without a tip as a heat gun, I may try that one (I have a ton of old motherboards from my desktop and laptop hobby that are dead already :) ).
I STILL CANT BELIBE IT!!!, today i get the streght and confiadence to try to swap the BGA chip from mi dead controller boad to a new one, i do all the precces explained in my previous post, and ones i try it on the ps3 i cant belibe mi eyes, THE PS3 IS WORKING !!!, load and play games movies and cds, so here is mi conclusion:
1- the key that links the controller to the motherboard is in the BGA chip
2- is posible to swap it (it was dificult but posible)
I´M SO HAPPY, not only because i made mi ps3 working again, but for the challange it was, thanks everyone for your help and suport, Federcico
Congrats Frederico!!! I think you just gave hope to alot of people!!!
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grazyc
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15. November 2008 @ 16:06 |
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Originally posted by wetmonk:
Originally posted by grazyc:
Thanks for the quick response....
If you mean the motor which spins the disk, that definately works as the disk can spin for ages, I guess when trying to read it. If I recal correctly I also see the lazer assy move. Hope this helps with your diagnosis of my problem.
So you've replaced the laser assembly and the symptoms haven't changed. The disc spins, and the laser moves, so it sounds like that drive controller IC chip on the board is good. Sounds like the problem is somewhere else...possibly up the line on the controller card. This is interesting since the motherboard still knows the BD drive is there and since you say you can still play downloaded games, etc. that would rule out a bad ribbon cable leading to the drive.
I wonder if the BGA chip that holds the firmware is messed up, even though it lets you play downloaded games and detects the drive. I don't know if that's possible or not - oxbullsey probably knows more.
Hi all......it looks like a major step has been made on the BGA chip, well done for doing that.
I have another question, the PS3 I got had already been opened so the controller board could be the original one & faulty or been swapped for one from another unit. Does this make sense why I never see the 'bubble' ?
If I swapped the BGA chip for another (if I can find a source) would that solve my problem?
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