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harvrdguy
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7. August 2009 @ 19:18 |
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Originally posted by keith:
I had someone?s respect??? How did that happen??
Hahaha.
Well you have my respect too for all that stuff you have - no wonder you never got into Left 4 Dead - and you have a really nice looking computer! And shaff has my respect for winning your contest - my god - what an eye!
And shokz, now that you have told us about all the prior GTA games that we never played .......... Originally posted by rich on gta games he owns:
I haven't played these yet, but I bought GTA4 a while back (Kevin raves about it so it must be halfway good, lol) and also very recently San Andreas - thinking it might run on my P4 until the future new build - I looked all through the guide book for San Andreas, and I was pretty impressed how they re-created Vegas, LA, and San Francisco
......... with brighter colors, better missions, more sympathetic characters, thanks for ruining GTA4 for us, hahahaha.
WOOT
Edit: The zalman vf1000 came - am I stoked!
What a beautiful piece of equipment. Thanks jeff for recommending the vf900 - this is the upgraded version! All copper - highly polished base - a work of art! (It's so beautiful that maybe instead of installing it I'll frame it and hang it on the wall.)
It has the variable fan speed controller, but I think I'll just direct connect and run it at full speed. All the reviews say it's quiet and I'm using headphones anyway, and with the other fans going I'm not gonna hear it.
I bet I'll see a temp drop of at least 20 degrees.
Rich
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8. August 2009 @ 05:58 |
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My oldskool Ps2 from 2002 still works fine (it doesn't crash any less often than a 360).
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8. August 2009 @ 07:18 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
My oldskool Ps2 from 2002 still works fine (it doesn't crash any less often than a 360).
Same here - I think my '02 PS2 has literally frozen on me about twice in all these years :) My PS3's already frozen about ten times (blame half of that on a glitch that was in the WipEout Fury expansion pack).
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8. August 2009 @ 15:27 |
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Ho ho!!! I finally beat Mercy on Expert! All the bots escaped. Well...at least the last chapter anyway LOL! I've been trying it for quite some time, and it may have just been luck. Now i'll have to try doing the whole campaign on expert level. :)
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8. August 2009 @ 16:49 |
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Oh my days this is getting on my nerves... I'm trying to back everything up onto an 80GB drive before 64-bit 7 RC downloads. Now I know some of you guys already run 64-bit but what I wanted to know was what anti-virus are you running?? I currently use Avira but there's no 64-bit version (that's free at least) does it make any difference whether I keep running that even though it's only 64-bit? When I temporarily fiddled with XP Pro 64-bit a while back I used Avast but it go on my nerves. A final point is that I damn right refuse to pay for AV.
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Im running AVG on X64 windows 7RC. But you know, I run 32 and 64 bit applications seamlessly. What I mean is there is rarely a problem. Avg runs just fine. No probs what so ever :)
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8. August 2009 @ 22:42 |
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Well guys...I don't think I'll be playing Left 4 Dead for a while LOL! I discovered a cheat for the Annihilator(Chopper)! Jumping out at high altitudes is proving to be pretty entertaining. For some reason Nico came into contact with the propeller blades at one point while screaming. IT SILENCED HIM LOL! Then he proceeded to tumble through the air smacking buildings, etc. Wish I had fraps running at the time!!!
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9. August 2009 @ 07:49 |
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I keep meaning to get GTA IV because every time I see vids/screens of it it looks nothing other then kickass fun. It'll have to wait till I buy a 360 pad because I just remembered there's no decent drivers for the PS3 pad on x64 :-(
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9. August 2009 @ 07:52 |
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Xpadder?
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9. August 2009 @ 15:10 |
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Xpadder isn't drivers it just assigns controller buttons/axis's to keyboard keys, mouse clicks and mouse movement. Without the drivers in the first place the computer recognises the PS3 pad but doesn't detect any input from it. So several people have made their own drivers (some of which require a piece software that more often then not cripples all USB) but no-one has ever bothered to do the same for x64.
BIG FAT EDIT: SOMEONE HAS RELEASED X64 DRIVERS SINCE I LAST LOOKED :-)
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9. August 2009 @ 18:16 |
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Hey sam,
Im not sure if i've asked before. Your one of the only people I know running a large(2560W) LCD monitor. Do you watch dvds on that badboy? LOL! And what media player do you find to upscale DVD's the best? Cause i've found that there's at least a small difference from one player to the next. Currently, I find either XBMC or Nero Showtime (9) to be the best. Dvd shrink being the worst. Oddly, xp displayed shrink ok. But on windows 7, it almost looks grainy!!!
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10. August 2009 @ 01:35 |
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Holy Cr*p, Kevin, you beat it on expert with bots?? (Beautiful screen shot by the way, hahaha.) That's like swimming the English Channel. That is HARD! What strategy did you use - has to be defending around the ammo - has to be. Anything else wouldn't work with bots. And you mean to tell me you and the bots beat two tanks?
I'm flabbergasted!! Good job! When are you coming on-line bro?
Speaking of Left 4 Dead, I finally got that beautiful zalman vf-1000 cooler installed on my 3850. Wow, is that thing heavy with all that copper! I just finished tightening up the nuts about 10 minutes ago - I'm going to let it sit upright for a day or two so the memory sinks hopefully don't fall off later.
I used arctic silver 5 instead of the zalman thermal paste - the zalman probably would have been fine, but I'm convinced arctic silver is the best from everything I've read. That's what you use, right Jeff? I was super careful not to use too much because I know it's conductive - I didn't want it to gob down on the lower part of the gpu where several solder points are sprinkled on the chip.
I took out my raid 0 and went back to the ide - and if I run out of room on the 160 gig - only 40 gigs left - I have a 500 gig pata sitting on the shelf. The sata raid wouldn't let me tweak my fsb at all - I lost the sata controller when I tried. Plus I was having a little bit of unusual stuttering - the ms-7103 board offers only the original low speed sata, so I'm probably wasting those sata drives on this mobo. I did notice that my level loading is back up to slow - but I didn't have the stuttering. (Or it could have been the agp aperture - I had moved it to 128mb - and then I read where a girl had stuttering on a racing game when she did that, and dropping back to 64mb solved the problem - which is what I did, so maybe it was that.) I'll save the sata drives with 1.2 terabytes for the new build, if and when, haha.
I overclocked my p4 by the most msi-7103 would let me - 5%, lol, based on the fact that in actual play mode, the cpu never got above 68 degrees on a very hot day, so I think I have a little headroom under the 75 degrees ceiling that Sam was talking about - but I do have the speedfan temp settings now as part of my on-screen display so I can watch the cpu temperature. The fsb is now 210 instead of 200, so core multiple of 16 gives me 3.33 ghz versus 3.2 - maybe another 1-2 fps.
Now that estuansis got me to invest $43 in this zalman cooler, and in view of all the customized ventilation and filters all the way around, I am thinking of putting maybe a last $100 into this rig to carry me for the last 6 months until I finally start the new build with an all-new case - maybe the spedo out in the garage - or maybe a lian-li like shaff. The last mods - adding filters to all intakes, outside easy-to-clean filter for kama bay, then "mauling" my case - was it Keith who said that? - to put in the big 1900 rpm exhaust fan - has turned this case into my little p4 hobby center - I will be keeping this machine as a general business computer and occasional light gaming rig for anybody to use out in the sunroom. That will make my cad cam brother Joe happy - he drops by occasionally and we go to the movies - and he can't stand how slow the 400mhz rig is that's in the sunroom right now, when he looks up movie times on Fandango.
I know P4s are cheap right now - nobody wants them - so I checked and the board will support the 670. I could pick up a 3.8 P4 670 dual core hyperthreading (I disable HT for gaming) with 2mb of L2 cache for only about $80 (I have only 1mb L2 cache right now) and a cpu cooler for about $20, and with my slight overclock fsb, core multiple of 19x would put me at basically 4.0 ghz, which is 20% faster than I am now - that and double the L2 cache (makes a big difference - I have a 1.6 ghz Dell 610 pentium M laptop with 2mb L2 cache and on certain things - high def media player movie trailers for example - it outperforms my p4) might be good for maybe 5-7 fps more, which would keep me in the low to mid 30s most of the time and keep everything pretty smooth (I'm not running at 2560x1600.)
I need every little bit of cpu muscle I can get. Plus going through my bios - I tweaked agp voltage a hair and memory voltage a hair - and dropped vram share from max of 132mb to min of 16mb, something like that - my theory being that with 512mb on the 3850 I have enough texture memory for now at 1920x1200, and with only 1 gig system ram, let my xp have all the ram it can because it could help the cpu bottleneck - at least that's my theory.
Anyway, it ran Left 4 Dead for several hours pretty smooth last night like that.
We helped a buddy, Boombizzle, now known as Boob (who spends the other half of his time on Counter Strike - maybe I'll start joining him - my p4 can handle that) get the last leg of What are You Trying to Prove - he was missing only Blood Harvest. Boob messaged me asking if I wanted to do pistols only on easy - but I messaged back that we had a good team together and we would take him all the way on Blood Harvest. I asked the guys to agree that if Boob got killed in the finale we would all let the zombies kill us too, but we didn't have to resort to that. I got killed by the last tank, but stayed on the mic "Get Boob on the truck" and Killa said "You jump down first, Boob, we'll cover."
"What are you trying to prove" rolled across the credits and now Boob is happy. Then, because the other guy, I think Pit Bull, had told me about it, I went to L4dmods and tried Heaven can Wait in expert with bots - dropped back to normal finally to make a little headway - I did the first two chapters but finally quit - I am seriously lagging down to fps only in the teens - it's not optimized like the regular L4D and I don't want to mess with my settings. So large parts of the mod play like sh*t on my system. I hope L4D2 is optimized as well, if I still don't have the new build by then, (probably won't) and I hope next month's Crash plays okay.
Omega you crack me up! Great screens of GTA4! I can't even think about running that (even though I own it) on my p4 - I'll be getting into that in about 6-8 months. However I picked up San Andreas - I wonder if that will run - Shokz are you around? I think San Andreas is much older from the time when p4s ruled, lol. Besides Shokz says it's prettier - so maybe I'll try that for a while.
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San andreas is MUCH lighter compared to GTA IV. Your system should run it. I had a 1.4 athlon with a 6200 Nvidia try to run it. It was close, but not quite.
Yes, all the bots including myself escaped. But as I said, I could have got lucky LOL! Basically, I went in in a KILLER Mode(extremely confident) LOL! You know that sensation when you've got an incredible adrenaline rush, and your focus level is top notch? And the bots just seemed to match my skill level. I did however also have this incredible urge to protect the bots more so than normal. For instance, I'll jump in front of the horde to protect them, with the melee attack.
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10. August 2009 @ 03:30 |
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Melee with the horde, me too.
I've been also trying some extra melee just lately - like crashing into a bunch of zombies stomping on a disabled team-mate, rather than taking a few extra seconds and shooting them. However, I have noticed that you can easily pick up some health damage if the team-mate is firing wildly, as is likely, trying to rid himself of the stompers.
But I know what you mean - you get these certain feelings of confidence from time to time and just get mad and feel like bashing the zombies!
Anyway nice job, Kevin. I always thought on expert it was impossible to beat a finale with a team of bots - but you just proved me wrong! What defense did you use - defend around ammo - top of roof? Just curious.
Regarding San Andreas - thanks, I might load it in a month or so. I think Shokz said that it had pretty colors, and didn't he also talk about some of the missions - and isn't there a hang glider or something, lol?
Hey, regarding cpus, I just had an amazing thought! Sam I really need your help with this one. On the MSI-7103 cpu compatibility chart, some of the cpus were listed as being 64 bit, which was confusing to me because I thought all P4s were 32 bit. My thinking was that a 64 bit architecture is desirable, because it can process 8 bytes at a time even if running a 32 bit operating system. But in doing some more reading, I think that was an oversimplification, and maybe I am just wrong about that.
Anyway, the processor I have now is a model 540, or 541. But the processor I am looking at for $80 is a 3.8 ghz model 670 - double the L2 cache at 2mb - and according to the following article, is a true 64-bit processor.
So my question, Sam - does that buy me extra performance beyond the higher speed and extra cache - the actual architecture being 64 bit - or does it not buy me anything? I'm speaking strictly for gaming on my XP Professional 32-bit operating system.
Here's the article from March 2005:Quote:
Last week Intel has finally lauched its 64-bit Pentium 4 processors, competing face-to-face to AMD's Athlon 64. The following models were released: 630 (3 GHz), 640 (3.2 GHz), 650 (3.4 GHz), 660 (3.6 GHz) and 670 (3.8 GHz).
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10. August 2009 @ 04:01 |
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LOL! I was defending around the ammo (in the staircase mostly). But the tank caused me to come out more than once. Mmmm, i was lucky enough to keep spotting the damn smoker too. That smoker can really screw things up!!! If you can keep your eye on the smoker, and the hunter, you have a good shot. And I try to keep the tank angry at me too :D LOL!
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10. August 2009 @ 04:16 |
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LOL As if the tank needs any help being angry!
But I think I know what you meant - chasing you instead of chasing and killing your bots, haha.
So let me ask this also: Did you light the tank?
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10. August 2009 @ 04:30 |
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The first tank, I lit him up. He was moving through a tight space(perfect time). Kills a little "tank" time LOL! The second one, I got knocked down while blasting him with a shotgun. Thankfully, one of them was also firing on him, and brought him down. I have noticed that lighting him up, REALLY angers him LOL!
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I don't really watch DVDs, I tend to get high def of films that are available in such detail, but yes I watch films on the 3008WFP, in lack of a bigger TV. Since all upscale looks gash on a 2560x1600 screen anyway I don't choose players by upscale quality, but by quality of the program. Media player classic tends to be the most reliable, occasionally I use VLC for stuff it can't play. Nero showtime has better codecs for some files, but generally isn't worth the hassle of trying to use.
Once again Rich, you're spending hundreds upgrading an old PC to get still an old PC. if you can't afford a high end PC, just get a midrange one, it's so much better value than throwing money away on the old P4 system. 64-bit is of negligible consequence with a P4 anyway.
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Thanks for the info sam.
Sounds to me like, other than upscaling BD content, such a display is not really intended for video playback. But is instead intended for graphics editing, large working field, and of course Gaming LOL! I've really gotta save my pennies and get me one of those badboys!!! I do a lot of graphics editing, and would no doubt benefit from a massive S-IPS LCD monitor.
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10. August 2009 @ 13:49 |
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The next time I post I should be enjoying 64-bit.
What's the idea behind my mobo's single IDE making it a right pain in the arse I can't have both Physical IDE drives (E and G are partitions of the same drive) and my DVD drive at the same time GRRRR >:-| (I've never noticed how annoying it is in the past)
I should probably explain that I don't have access to someone else's documents over the network because Jon is in fact me. My parents named me Jonathan but I don't use it as my name and for obvious reasons my user name on my parents computer remains unchanged.
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10. August 2009 @ 15:55 |
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:-) I'm happy!
64-bit is definently better then 32-bit. The extra 800MB RAM is probaly a factor but its all just that bit more snappy. I'm blaming a bad burn for the trouble I had with it in the past - A mate burnt it for me. A mate that I shouldn't have trusted with the complex procedure of verifying the disk after burning :P
Apparently although not x64 native Avira is perfectly alright to use and has x64 elements.
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So if your actual name is Jonathan, why Keith?
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10. August 2009 @ 23:38 |
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Yeah Jon, should we call you Jon now, or keep calling you Keith? And you just found out that 64 bits makes everything snappier, but Sam just told me that 64 bits is dog doo on a P4, lol.
Haha, Sam you're so right!
Upgrading an old pc to get an old pc. Well - I guess it's my practice machine for now - mentally I just have to go back in time and pretend it's 2005, lol.
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So the 64bit doesn't really buy me anything, I was just wondering.
But I came across some 2005 Intel stuff showing minimum 6-7% improvement on benchmarks from the 2MB L2 cache compared to the 1MB L2 cache that I have now - with a statement that real-world applications with heavy RAM calls might benefit even more. So if I can get a chip that is much faster, with twice the L2 cache, and which therefore gives me maybe 30% more cpu performance, for only $80, I think I should do that. Who knows, I might be able to get through the rain on Hells Highway that way, hahaha. (Sam was saying that the rain - which killed the game for me - must be cpu-generated.)
Does anybody like the Zerotherm all-copper cf900 cpu cooler with 130 watts of cooling on sale at newegg for $22 after rebate? Here's the picture. Right now my sunbeam is fastened to the Evercool hsf with a 95mm fan, so it should easily be able to move to the 92mm fan of the Zerotherm without much hassle beyond what I already did today.
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If I actually get the new cpu, I can't overclock the P4 670, which draws 115 amps, more than 5% per my mobo, which puts it right at 4.0 ghz, so I don't need the cooling power of an arctic 7 freezer pro. If I do the new cpu, I might as well get the same style cooler as the stock hsf I have now, so that I can attach the sunbeam hose to bring in fresh air from the outside.
I blame it all on estuansis for telling me to get the vf900 zalman cooler.
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I put the vf1000 on yesterday and it is so beautiful - it makes me take one more look at the cpu bottleneck. After all the hours of mods, if another $100 maxes out the box until I gather up the $2000 for the new build (since I'm keeping the P4 anyway) then I have to look at it as the investment in a hobby, I suppose. You're right, Sam, it doesn't make sense looking at it any other way.
But today I'm so proud of myself. Again, it's all Jeff's fault. Having my sides off, the 3850 with the new cooler sitting on a shelf letting the ram sinks harden up until tomorrow, I decided to take a closer look at the sunbeam 3" hose that connects the cpu hsf to the outside filter. For the first time I figured out how to unsnap the Evercool 95mm fan from the sink.
Holy moly - the sink was caked in dust!! - Wow! - all the dust that had built up in the three years I had been running the computer before I added the sunbeam hose with the intake filter! No wonder my cpu was running a bit hot - approaching the 75 degrees that Sam says is max.
I got all the dust off, took out the Endust and squirted it really good, and then I looked at the fan shroud and how to better duct-tape my sunbeam hose. I still had one 80mm sunbeam fitting left over and a hose clamp. Prior to today I had the hose just duct-taped to the fan shroud. I unsnapped the fan shroud, clipped off the entire top of the shroud, which had a lot of plastic just blocking the air, and snapped the round shroud base back on - it gave me a 1/4" offset from the fan - otherwise with the 80mm sunbeam fitting directly against the fan, I could hear the fan blades slightly scraping.
The square corners of the 80mm hose fitting slightly overlapped the 95mm round fan lip and shroud offset. So I pulled out my solder iron, and melted the 4 corners to "glue" them to the shroud cover - using some extra plastic from the middle of the part that I had clipped off to give me additional melting material. Now the sunbeam 80mm adapter was firmly attached to the round base of the former shroud, which clipped nicely onto the 95mm fan. I duct taped the assembly to cover up the air gaps, and then properly hose clamped the sunbeam hose, which at the other end of the 6" hose is clamped to a 90mm fan adapter.
Originally posted by Rich explaining why he doesn't have to unclamp the sunbeam hose everytime he removes the side case cover:
When I installed the sunbeam kit a year ago, I preferred not to have to undo the hose clamp every time I took my side cover off. The kit included one 90mm adapter and two 80mm adapters. I saw to my pleasant surprise, that the square fan assembly part of the 90mm adapter nicely snapped onto the square part of the 80mm adapter.
So on the inside of my removable side cover, I mounted the 80mm hose adapter, with the round part, designed for the 3" sunbeam hose to clamp onto, extending through the inlet hole to the outside of the case. I couldn't leave it like that, of course, because it blocked the filter and snap-on filter cover, so I simply hack-sawed off the entire round part flush with the outside of the case cover.
That left me, on the inside of the cover, just the 80mm adapter square base, over which the 90mm square adapter which is clamped to the sunbeam hose, easily snaps on or off when I remove the side cover. I should take a picture - it's really easy to take the side cover off that way. Of course I also have to unsnap the two fan connections, but that's no big deal.
So bottom result after today's 2-hour project, is that my hsf is now free of dust, and it is also free of the entire shroud which was partially blocking the air flow.
Tomorrow when I put the 3850 back in and run the same stress tests I ran two weeks ago, in addition to the dramatically lower 3850 temps I am expecting (down from the 97-99 I was reaching with 702 gpu clock or 92-24 at 695 clock) I bet I'll also see a major reduction of cpu temps down from 72-73 on the same test. (Of course the weather is a lot cooler now than two weeks ago - my trailer hasn't hit 98 degrees for a week - at the most about 92.) I'm going to post the old picture of the tests, with the new picture for comparison.
Rich
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Rich, $80 is so much for a CPU that gets you such a piffling performance upgrade. The E5200 in my work PC is $66, and per-core is literally double the performance of the P4, and there's two cores not one.
The rain in Hells Highway is highly unlikely to be CPU rendered, but it will likely have some stupid physics applied to it which stresses the CPU. If you're in the business of throwing money at an old PC, I'd go for a Freezer 7 Pro rather than the rather basic Zerotherm. An extra $10 and you get an excellent cooler. You may not need it but you don't need to be spending hundreds to get an outdated PC up to scratch.
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It's a lonnnnnggggggg story that doesn't actually make any sense. Its Keith it says Keith Lee on my bank statements, my sixth-form apllication and everybody calls me it aside from my parents who have always been naffy about the whole thing "whats wrong witht the name we gave you" pahhhhh. I should probably explain there's no name change procedure in the UK you just start using your new name ocasinally various places need to see a letter I had written by a lawyer freind which simply says I was Jonathan and am now Keith.
Anyways I've discoverd what crippled x64 last time, it was the sound drivers built into 7 64-bit for some reason they don't agree with my onboard audio. They're the only drivers available for windows 7 for my mobo off the MSI site so obviously this isn't just me. But I only ever used the ones that came with the OS on 32-bit.
I could put something funny here but I cant be arsed. Now GO AWAY!
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