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dvdsoul
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2. February 2006 @ 04:17 |
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docTY,
I asked this question on a separate thread and didn't get proper response and since its related to TY I thought I might get a answer here. After we backup a movie using TY and if we look at the Recorded Surface how should the color be. It should be solid with one single color from the inner ring to the outer or we can see the ring like structures on the recorded surface where we can clearly see the rings on the recorded surface.
Thanks.
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2. February 2006 @ 09:54 |
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@dvdsoul
while i have encountered these "rings" you speak of on very FEW Taiyo Yudens, i have seen them...i guess if you really look that closely on the recorded surface and see rings, that COULD be due to your burner "creating" these rings during the burn...
it COULD be a slew of factors WHY the rings appear...the backups you have made on TY with these so called "rings", does it affect the playback? are they "coasters"? do you get pixellation/freezing/skipping or other burn related problems approximately at the time the rings begin on the disc?
these "rings" could also be a result of your burner either losing or gaining momentum in the course of the burn...it has nothing to do with how "hot the laser" is, but the rotational speed of the disc during the burn is NOT always consistent...if you are burning ReALLY fast, say at 16x, your burner doesn't ACTUALLY burn @16x the ENTIRE WAY from beginning to end...it usually obtains TRUE 16x speed burn towards the end/edge of the disc...starts slower naturally, then spools up and gets faster...
MOST of my TY burns are a solid "purpleish" color from hub to edge of disc, while i've noticed a FEW with the "rings", they did NOT affect the final product, there was no issues during playback...but, that is only ME...
i'm sure other members will have different opinions as to WHY the rings are there or if they are "normal" or not to a certain degree...you have MY OPINION on the matter, don't know what else i can really say about these "rings" :)
docTY~
p.s. do you see these "rings" ONLY on Taiyo Yuden media? or is it apparent with other media you have tried too? on the same burner i'm assuming...
if you see the rings on other brands of media and this is having an adverse affect on your backups, then it MIGHT be time to look for a new burner or have your burner's lens cleaned or maintainenced...
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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dvdsoul
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2. February 2006 @ 10:30 |
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Thanks docTY~ for your response.
Well the discs play absolutely fine and no skipping or freezing or CRC errors. I couldn't do a Disc Quality check though as my burner doesn't work with that.
Its a 8X DVD-R TY disc. I burn only at 4X. Actually after starting the burn process one thing that I notice is after some 10-15% done the disc will spin and I could hear the Disc Spin sound and after a while it will go quiet again. I don't do multitasking as well during the process.
I don't have any problem with the disc but was wondering if it might bring down the life of the disc or something where some 6 months afterwards it might let me down.
Thanks for your time again.
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3. February 2006 @ 11:00 |
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Hello, first I want to say thanks to the people here. I got my first dvd burner about 4 months ago. I've learned many thing from the knowledgebase here. I still pull my hair out sometimes, mostly concerning resizing video while keeping the aspect ratio and not loosing any of the video, but I'm pulling far less now. It's a good thing to, I'm too young to loose all my hair. So far I've purchased 3 brands of Media. First, TDK....TTHO2, before I found this site. Then Verbatim....MCC 02RG20. I waited till I ran out to get my thrid batch. BIG MISTAKE!!. I only have a Staples and Walmart within a 1 hour drive and I needed them ASAP so I thought Staples would be my best bet. The only thing they had, that wasn't made in Tawian or India was Sony, which are TO2. They are +R, I had been getting -R due to what I've read about compatiblity. They were $19.99 for 25. "@@@@", Yeah, that's what I said, to keep from driving all over town I got them. I've had great sucess with all three brands. Not a coaster yet. The Verbs were shiny top...finger print magnents, which I didn't like, but no biggie. To keep from having to run out ASAP and pay an overinflated price again I've decided to go strickly with TY -R Media. My question is, where are some of the best places to get authentic TY Media and how can I make sure when I purchase online that I'm getting authentifc TY media. Thanks to all.
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3. February 2006 @ 12:07 |
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Since AD was where I first heard the Yuden name I have to give proper respect to a thread that deserves it. I haven't had problems since switching over from the dark side (Memosux). When I first started burning I din't know what I was doing wrong, come to find out I was hitting all the right buttons but still had problems due to media and speeds. Now I burn TYGO TG's at max speed and still get around 94, 96 on Nero Tools.
No, this was not a paid commercial (advert) but looking back, it really cheesily sounds like it.
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3. February 2006 @ 17:55 |
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@docTY~,
Absolute Fact: "Most" burning problems go away when using Quality Media! TYs, Verbs and some RITEK work very well. Me? I stick with #1 Taiyo Yuden, #2, Verbatim MCC004 16x DVD+R. 99.9% of my burns are with these, and I don't get "Coasters" either. Keep up the good work Ole Buddy docTY~! bunnyrip.
Use The Best Media for The Best Burns! TYs, Verbs,(Made in Taiwan) Sony MIJs (YUDEN000 T02), Sony Made in Taiwan DVD+R 16x, Maxell MIJ, RITEK G05.
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3. February 2006 @ 20:29 |
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@jake02
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My question is, where are some of the best places to get authentic TY Media and how can I make sure when I purchase online that I'm getting authentifc TY media.
www.supermediastore.com
www.rima.com
www.meritline.com
and as of late, yes, even www.shop4tech.com offers authentic Taiyo Yudens~ :)
when supermediastore runs their sales (quite frequently actually), they have better pricing than MOST online retailers for genuine TYs...but, when you factor in shipping costs, rima.com often comes out on top with LOWER overall shipped price for genuine TYs...
just gotta do a lil price shopping between stores... hope that's a good start
to everyone else, bring all your Taiyo Yuden questions/comments here...they are indeed great quality media, and as my buddy alkohol always says, "TAIYO YUDEN ROCK!" :)
docTY~
edit. p.s. DITCH the TDK jake, i DO NOT consider TDk made media (ie. TTG01/TTG02/TTH01/TTH02/TDK002/TDK003/etc. even CLOSE to the same quality as Taiyo Yuden media...not even in the same BALL-PARK as far as i am concerned~ :P TDK will NEVER be welcome in any of my burners...
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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4. February 2006 @ 03:32 |
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Thaks for the info. I'm gettting ready to order. I'll check those vendors out. As for the TDK. That is what everybody is saying. I bought them the same time I did my drive and I hadn't researched anything at that time except the player to get, wasn't thinking as in good media-bad media ext. I just thought hey, it's a DVD-R. That is until I found you guys. Well I'll be sticking with TY from now on and hope not to run out again. Thanks for the list.
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4. February 2006 @ 06:30 |
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anytime Jake, feel free to drop on by if you have any more issues/questions with TY, or would just like to add a comment or user experience with them... :)
good luck and happy burning~
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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4. February 2006 @ 19:47 |
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Hey Doc, are you now "Lord of the Rings" also?? :) Great to see you have your own thread now.
A month or so ago i was helping a person in the Nero forum. They were having problems burning, and the media code from Nero was coming back TYG02. So i thought good media, but warned them about fakes being out there. Several burn logs later the person revealed the "TYs" were bought on the cheap, and had a MIT on the package. Hub codes were not the correct TY numbers. Person switched to some Verbatims, and problem went away. Those fake media codes can throw us off since we are trying to fix things from afar with only a log to go by.
Anyone wondering if their Tys are real or fake, can just ask Doc Ty here, and he will be able to figure it out for you (or you can read his post and find the numbers yourself). Tys and Verbs are the only media i use now. With Tys being the best IMHO, but i really like the Verb 16x +R format also.
I found my drive produces better quality scans when i burn at 8x instead of 4x. Seems strange that burning slower would cause more errors, but now i burn most of my stuff at 8x.
Still waiting for the Verb/Ty 16x to hit here. Sounds like they will be my new favorite media once they start supplying the USA with them. Whats up with that? USA not good enough for Verb/Tys?? Im sure our market is much larger than all of europe... They probably have a supply issue, and decided to give europe all the stuff and let us suffer in the US. Bummer..
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5. February 2006 @ 00:05 |
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@maxburn
hi buddy, how'z it going? :) Quote:
Hey Doc, are you now "Lord of the Rings" also?? :)
i had to read that 3 times before it sunk in completely, i literally FELL oUTTA MY CHAIR laughing..my wife thinks i'm crazy..she rushed to my side asking me "what is so funny?"...LOTR, now THAT is a very witty comment and i'll take that as a compliment~ LOL
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Several burn logs later the person revealed the "TYs" were bought on the cheap, and had a MIT on the package. Hub codes were not the correct TY numbers.
this is ALWAYS going to be a problem, i wouldn't be surprised if he got the SAME FAKE TAIYO YUDENS that i have in the past...seriously, the "made in taiwan" is a DEAD-GIVEAWAY...and the hub numbers are a double-whammy~ :P
ALL TAIYO YUDEN media is MADE IN JAPAN, there is NO exception; yes, they have offices around the world, in the U.S., Canada, Taiwan, other asian countries, Europe, even Australia if i'm not mistaken...but to find and definitely GUARANTEE that a person got GENUINE TYs, they WILL be "made in japan" :)
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I found my drive produces better quality scans when i burn at 8x instead of 4x. Seems strange that burning slower would cause more errors, but now i burn most of my stuff at 8x.
how long have i been preaching this to everyone? using Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim with the QUALITY burners out there these days, burning @4x is no longer a "necessity" if you want good backups/quality~ :)
when everyone was recommending to ONLY burn everything @4x here on AfterDawn, WHO DO YOU THINK "stepped up" to give others a different opinion/approach to successful backups? using good quality media of course, i've always burned ALL my backups @8x with terrific results~
while i'm not "going against the grain" here per say, a LOT of issues on cheap/poor quality media can definitely be "fixed" or at least "helped" by burning slower...ie. 4x or even lower; but, this really DOES NOT "magically" resolve burning issues if people use high quality media~ :) there are many factors involved on individual setups that could result in a "coaster", but if you use Taiyo Yudens (genuine TYs), at least you have a strong foundation to work from to address your backup issues...
i pop into the Nero forums once in awhile, but i find my niche' here in the dvd media more "comfy" :)
as creaky, our "TY Verbs" mod, with his "sexy" discs has always stated, (i'm going to imply his meaning by using my own words...sorry creaky buddy) we try here to keep people away from poor quality media by giving them examples after examples, thread after thread, problematic Nero logs after Nero logs of POOR media being the culprit in the resulting "coaster"...yes, other factors may add to the producing of a "coaster", BUT, if you start w/ crappy media to begin with, you might as well forget about "tweaking" everything else as the media will deteriorate and you will get skipping/freezing/pixellation/pauses/etc. sooner than later, why people bother to insist that "it's not my media, i've used this in the past with no problems..blah blah blah" is still a mystery to me.
i've read of some guys literally going out and spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on a NeW computer, new burner, new hardware (more memory, bigger power supply *LOL the whole PSU thing is an inside joke for those that were involved in that particular thread awhile ago*, new software...but failed to use a "better quality media" with an outcome of "being back at square one again"... :) sometimes "i told you so" just doesn't add enough insult to injury~ :P
high quality media is a very big part of the dvd burning process...without it, you begin "handicapped" compared to the next guy who IS burning successfully using good media~ i'm not here to promote spending MORE $$ for Taiyo Yudens; it's not like i get a red cent for every 'convert' i get to buy TYs, i'm here to help people understand and to spend their hard earned money accordingly on the "proper" choice media that you were going to spend money on ANYWAYS...but your resulting backups will be so much better in the long run :)
i'm here to clarify and to assist, not to deceive people into spending more and getting less~ :)
i'll stop here, need a TY fix, gonna go burn something to make my night complete.
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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5. February 2006 @ 16:32 |
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Hi Doc, yes, i try to get those zingers in there when i can :) . When i saw the poster talking about rings on a disc and you responding about rings, that plus this is your thread,, i figured Lord of the Rings would be a funny compliment/joke at the same time. Im a Ty convert for life, as long as they keep producing the good stuff, and many of your posts convinced me Tys were the GOOD media. After using it, im convinced its the best, with Verbatim being very close behind them in quality, almost equal.
I jump around the forums. Sometimes i work on Nero logs and problems, and lately ive been spending more time in the safety valve area. Sometimes ya just want to give up when you either run in to a crazy poster, (more so than usual), or someone who refuses to listen, but still wants help. Same thing happens with problem media lovers. They post having a problem like failed burn, and media id comes back CMC or some other junk. Post back that they need to change media, and you will often get "It cant be this media, ive burned a spindle before with NO problems, has to be something else,, it must be that my drive is bad." They wont even try some different media, but insist on buying a new drive. Sometimes that fixes the problem for them, and they post back that they were correct all along, and we are the idiots for suggesting media could be the cause. Yeah, i shouldnt let these things get to me. But it often makes me take a pause from helping ppl.
TYS RULE!!! Go team TY.. YUDEN,, YUDEN,, YUDEN!!!
Die CMC Mag!!!
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5. February 2006 @ 20:57 |
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@Doc & MaxBurn
You guys know what happened to our buddy gear79? How come he's inactive now? Do you guys know what's the real story?
Just wondering that's all.
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5. February 2006 @ 21:08 |
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@alkohol
i believe it's for "personal issues" at home, not because our buddy gear was banned, he personally requested a mod (ddp) to make his account inactive...that's all i know...i'm sure he has his OWN reasons for this...and i respect his choice~ :) i will miss him, he's a good guy and always brought "a good laugh" to otherwise boring/typical threads~ :P if you are reading this gear79, just know that you will be missed by ME personally among MANY others here, but take your time and do what you need to do and if you come back in the future, do it on your OWN schedule and on your own accord~ best wishes to you buddy :)
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Sometimes that fixes the problem for them, and they post back that they were correct all along, and we are the idiots for suggesting media could be the cause. Yeah, i shouldnt let these things get to me. But it often makes me take a pause from helping ppl.
been there, done that...i almost left AfterDawn awhile ago for that SAME REASON too...yes, everyone has the right to THEIR OWN OPINIONS, and they can do what they want with THEIR OWN $$, nobody is stopping them...i just don't like to get into these flame wars/arguin' for such a trivial topic...if these people suggest "they were right all along"..then why even bother asking a question on here? if they are SO SMART and KNOWLEDGEABLE about everything in dvd backups? isn't that kind of hypocritical of them? why ask for a "fix" if they could have done it on their own ALL ALONG? makes no sense to me :)
don't let it get to you buddy, i've had my fair share of stubborn a$$ people on here that aren't even OPEN to the idea of change, let alone doing something that someone suggests if THEY don't believe it will help~ :) people will be people..nothing anybody can do bout' dat.
docTy~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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5. February 2006 @ 21:27 |
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@Doc
Yeah, I don't blame him for leaving if it's for "personal life". I know exactly how he feels, I sure will miss him too. He's pretty funny at times, other than that, he's been a great buddy (friend) here at AD.
So gear79, if you're reading this, see you around/whenever you have everything settle down man. Best of luck to you buddy.
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5. February 2006 @ 22:28 |
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kivory explain to me why theres such a price difference with the online retailiers between the dash format and the plus format ,i use the dash format because there quite a bit less expenisive. any input would be great
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5. February 2006 @ 23:02 |
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aabbccdd,
actually, to be completely honest with you, i DON'T KNOW why there is a price discrepency between the DVD+R and the DVD-R format online~ :) i'm not going to lie just to have "an answer to every question" that is posed to me~ hehe
i am GUESSING that the online retailers have to pay MANUFACTURER's MORE for the DVD+R format when they buy them? no clue~ :)
sorry, if anyone else knows the REAL reason WHY DVD+R costs more than DVD-R, i would like to know too~
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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5. February 2006 @ 23:12 |
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thats cool there the same price( DVD-R DVD+R)in the B&M stores like BB and all but NOT online no biggie using CloneDVD 2 with AnyDVD the TYGO2s DVD-R play in every standalone i have thrown them at
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5. February 2006 @ 23:21 |
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yeah, if the DVD-R work well for you, i see no REAL reason to change to dvd+r~ (despite the booktyping thing on dvd+r)
you are using some of THE premier DVD-R format discs anyways, so you need not worry~ :)
i believe that even creaky with his "sexy" TY Verbs in the UK (TYG02) coded are HIS choice of discs as well, just another preference of DVD-R once again~
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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6. February 2006 @ 02:26 |
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I have always wondered why TY +R's were more expensive too, thought they must really be special. So I just keep buying the -R and they were work "flawlessly" and I can save some money. Just ordered 100 from Supermedia, when you get down to your last 150 you start to panic, lol.
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6. February 2006 @ 04:14 |
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Arniebear,
or in docs case when he gets down to the last 1500 discs he starts to panic. Just kiddin doc. I guess you wouldnt be Doc Ty unless you burned a lot of them.
Sorry to hear about gear79. We had some fun in here. I didn't know about him leaving, but i can understand it. When you are as popular as gear, it is probably best to go inactive if you are not going to be around. Imagine the PMs he would have to wade thru if he was gone for a month or two? We will miss you gear79 buddy. Come back when you can. In the mean time, i will try to keep up the humor attacks.
Die CMC Mag!!!
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6. February 2006 @ 06:35 |
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Arniebear... Being in sales my thoughts on the price differences is Demand of the product, being the DVD+Rs can cover 99 percent of what people use them for data, games, movies when bitset to dvd rom. So they actually cover all the bases compared to the-Rs which are limited. But thinking about this deeper, they made the DVD+Rs so as not to pay the loyalties to whomever invented the DVD,which became the DVD-, maybe it was Pioneer?, so one would think that by bypassing the loyalties the DVD+disc in fact should be cheaper to sell. But since it covers more areas than the DVD-Rs and the demand is so high you will be able to sell it at a higher price. I am sure the build cost per piece DVD- and DVD+ are exactly the same. Its a game of supply and demand.
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6. February 2006 @ 06:41 |
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Personally, I think the distributors all read AD and know we keep recommending +R's and jack up the price, lol. To me it does not matter though, I usually get the Fuji or Sony +R TY's when they are on sale, and just order the -R from online. It works for me. Just like to spread the wealth around.
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6. February 2006 @ 07:31 |
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What about the Yuden CD-R for music? Is it worth it, or a Sony, Prodisc or Ritek can do the same quality of audio? Thx for the answer.
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6. February 2006 @ 07:31 |
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From one Doc to the other :)
Your posts made me a TY convert, although I still use AZO Verbs. The Yudens and the Verbs just seem to be the best out there by a very long mile.
Thanks Doc!
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