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13. April 2010 @ 12:59 |
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13. April 2010 @ 13:04 |
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it might be. one never knows.
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13. April 2010 @ 13:06 |
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Well, it's of course possible, but it's a bit early to be citing it as a certainty!
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13. April 2010 @ 13:08 |
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LOL! Sorry. Totally jerking your chain :p
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13. April 2010 @ 18:33 |
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I think we'll see a decent drop well before the HD6 series. The HD5s are still new and mostly at their original release price. I suspect Nvidia might release a new revision of Fermi eventually ala GeForce 9800GTX/GTX285. That's what will drop prices I think. I'd also like to think the 5870 will get a refresh as well ala 4890.
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13. April 2010 @ 18:42 |
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New is relative. We're now at the point in the HD5 series' history where the GTX295 appeared in the HD4 series' history. The architecture has been fully matured through the market for over a month. If prices were going to drop, they would have by now. The ball is in nvidia's court over that. On one hand, dropping the prices of the GTX4 cards would make them seem less pathetic. On the other hand, they can make so few of them, that they still won't have any trouble selling them, due to the sheer fanboy demand alone. An HD5890 was indeed mooted, but quite frankly at the moment, ATI could release it at £480/$600, not drop the prices of the other cards and still be worth it, in the face of the competition.
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14. April 2010 @ 01:59 |
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I agree 100% with the entirety of your predictions. I'd imagine there are revised cards coming out but the guys with the highest prices will determine where it goes. The ball is in ATi's court ATM and Nvidia's challenge will be taking it away.
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14. April 2010 @ 07:28 |
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I thought you used that expression the opposite way round, implying that whoever has the ball, it is up to them to proceed...
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14. April 2010 @ 11:43 |
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Asus have decided to Liquid nitrogen not just the CPU, but also the GPUs in their experiments with the ROG Ares cards.
Two ROG Ares cards clocked from their stock (850/4800 vs the normal 5970's 725/4000) to a monumental 1150/5200, coupled with an i7 980X at 5.9Ghz, they have set the new world record in 3DMark Vantage at E93549 and P51651. Curious that there's no X score in there, perhaps they ran out of Liquid nitrogen! :P
Two Corsair 950W TX PSUs were used for the test.
Interesting to see that a system costing £3200 for the GPUs, CPU, RAM and board alone, using Liquid Nitrogen as the cooling, is a little over double the score of my system which uses two year old GPUs and has a total new cost of £950. Interestingly, my original game system with the X2 4200+ and X1900XT worked out at £790, and only so because I used a £55 motherboard. Seems high because back then the X2 4200+ was £100 more than an i5 750 is today, the 2GB of PC3200 DDR was £50 more than I paid for my 4GB of PC12800 DDR3 and even the X1900XT was £327, slightly more than an HD5870 would set you back today!
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14. April 2010 @ 16:19 |
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Well, the very first GTX400 cards are popping up in the UK. Looks like a large number of the pre-orders have finally been filled, and a tiny number of the cards have appeared in stock, notably all GTX470s not 480s, and in miniscule numbers, with one Zotac 470 available at Dabs, and an unstated number of Palit 470s at scan, priced at £328 and £299 respectively. No 480s at retail yet, and given the now reasonable healthy stocks of 5800 series cards, supply of the Geforces is adding to the rest of the reasons not to buy one.
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14. April 2010 @ 21:55 |
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I paid more than 100$ more for the E6600 than I did for the i7 930 iirc XD Interesting how things change.
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14. April 2010 @ 22:02 |
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I thought you used that expression the opposite way round, implying that whoever has the ball, it is up to them to proceed...
I reject your logic and substitute my own lol
On Hardware Prices, haha guilty as well, $550 for my 8800GTX :P
Back when I was a big NOOB and didn't know how to properly spec out a PC.
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15. April 2010 @ 07:18 |
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Nothing wrong with that, the 8800GTX was the best there was by miles back then, I was contemplating buying one for months, never really having the money to do it though, what with the 3007WFP upgrade, almost entirely new peripherals, and the massive amount I spent on cooling/silencing experiments back then.
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15. April 2010 @ 15:22 |
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Umm yeah but then I bought a 680i... then I was using it on a 17" LCD XD
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15. April 2010 @ 16:43 |
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speaking of the 6 series coming to 40nm only, why so sam? wont ATI be jumping to global foundries by then?
oh and look what gogole bought me?
http://www.slashgear.com/globalfoundries...-boost-1581731/
today. 28nm on what should be the next "snapdragon" for smartphones.
as the article states 2nd half 2010 for production.
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http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16758
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GlobalFoundries says the process will be a great match for wireless and consumer electronics applications, but it should also help the independent foundry firm "compete and win in the graphics business"?a market that has "embraced half nodes for some time," it says.
maybe nvidia will use it aswell?
infact this will be good. finally a proppe alternative to TSMC. if they muck up we haeva competitor to jump up. and who knows mayeb this will inspire a price war? though id assume most of the cost comes from R&D rather than materials?
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15. April 2010 @ 17:34 |
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GlobalFoundries isn't going to be done come Southern Islands apparently, it's slated for release before the end of the calendar year. TSMC got no-confidenced on 32nm, and 28nm is so far away that developers scrapped their 32nm plans and moved to 40nm instead. Hardly ideal for TDP, but even ATI's worst card for TDP, the HD2900XT, didn't use as much power as a GTX280, let alone a GTX480, so I'm not too worried just yet.
The problem with small processes is not raw transistor count, it's transistor count per die. When the CPUs, GPUs or whatever get really big, yields tend to plummet, this is another reason why yield is so poor for nvidia compared to ATI at the moment, those vast dies are really hard to produce.
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15. April 2010 @ 17:43 |
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yeah just read that TSMC are looking to scrap 22nm aswel and jump to 20nm.
surely the 3870x2 4870x2 and 5970 have worse TDPs?
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15. April 2010 @ 17:45 |
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None of them are single GPUs are they, that was my point. No ATI GPU thus far has been so bad it can't be turned into a dual card with nothing more than a minor refresh.
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15. April 2010 @ 18:42 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
None of them are single GPUs are they, that was my point. No ATI GPU thus far has been so bad it can't be turned into a dual card with nothing more than a minor refresh.
the 3870 was hardly a minor refresh. and tbh the same can be said for nvidia.
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15. April 2010 @ 18:58 |
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Nope, the 8800GTX, GTX280, GTX285, GTX470 and GTX480 all fit that bill.
The HD3870 was a big refresh hence why it took so long.
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16. April 2010 @ 00:37 |
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LOL I was actually surprised when my 8800GTS ran 10*C cooler. And with the same performance for 40% of the price XD
Agreed on the 3870 as well, is was a MAJOR refresh and was the first decent card from ATi since the X1950... seriously the HD2900XT appalled me. Not even worth it to buy at all. The HD3870 actually wasn't that bad. Very well worth the price and well designed, just not a high performance part. It wasn't until 4870 that ATi could really claim to have a high end card again. The refining of the HD2000 core is what started it all. They were always MUCH faster on paper, but it took a while before practice matched theory. IMO the HD3870, while not even slightly impressive, was the stepping stone needed to get where we are now.
Not only are ATi capable of actually PRODUCING their cards, they already perform better or the same in most tests. The GTX480 IMO is a much worse fail than the HD2900XT ever was. Even with all its bugs, they were still able to make enough to sell. As of currently, Nvidia is still having issues fill out all the preorders, let alone selling on the mass market. And even that will be difficult given the HUGE price difference.
At least the GTX280 was arguably worth the extra. The GTX480 is unquestionably not worth it at all.
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16. April 2010 @ 07:48 |
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The 8800GTS G92 was more than a year after the 8800GTX though. Granted it's nothing to celebrate about but in less than that space of time, ATI had the power hungry HD2900XT down to the compact, reasonably quiet and efficient HD3870. Was no better than the 8800GT efficiency wise due to its slow speed, but they still managed a big TDP drop in that space of time. This being back when all the graphics architectures were stagnant, and all you got were renamed products, not new ones. I don't miss that period one bit :P
I agree really, the GTX480 is another HD2900, but far from being not as bad, it's worse. Much worse.
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16. April 2010 @ 20:55 |
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Hmmmm - still - three of them can rape crysis, (given what you said about how they did with warhead).
Stepping back 10 days - wow Sam, very helpful information.
So HD6000 will be coming out on 40nm, just like 5000, (since 32nm yields are bad and and the big chip guys are moving straight to 28nm, which ought to be cranking by what - mid 2012 ?)
(Shaff is saying - Why? Global Foundaries wants the business.)
In that case, I see your point - how they gonna get much more computational power out of the 6000 compared to the 5000 on the same 40nm die without blowing the roof off the 300 watt ceiling on acceptable power draw?
Originally posted by sam regarding nvidia's tesselation claims:
... a 10 fold increase would be more like the difference between minimum and maximum detail in most games. Tesselation is good, but it ain't that good.
Thanks - that calms me down a bit.
LOL I like the name for the new architecture, Southern Islands, haha. Is there a nod in there somewhere for crytek?
And as for Red getting his i7 up to 4.1 to 4.2 - I don't know. He's got the 930 DO stepping, which will help. Red - how high are you so far?
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Nvidia really deserve some praise though, three GTX480s in Warhead with 2560x1600 all Enthusiast, 4xAA are pulling off average frame rates in excess of 50. That's damn impressive.
Wow. So on-board memory is everything at 2560x1600, especially with 4xAA. You're gonna sell your 4870x2's and get that petunia for £750 - exciting! At this point in time you don't plan to crossfire them - but what are you hearing about pci-e bandwidth requirements for the 5970s?
If you threw two of them on your present 1156 motherboard, you'd be at 8x for each card, wouldn't you? Does that seem to be a factor from all the benches you're looking at? Also - those three nvidia GTX400 cards cranking on full enthusiast on Warhead - was that one of those special nvidia motherboards with 16x lanes for each card?
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Also very excited about the 5850. The few short hours I had mine plugged in were magical. I can't even imagine Crossfire now XD
Haha, Jeff is cranking things up!!
Originally posted by omega:
yes, currently GTA IV is the only one I play. Only one installed too. I have crysis(Triple pack), Left4dead 1 and 2. I just haven't gotten around to installing them. GTA IV is such a large playing field you see. You're not bound to a set of rules. You can run around town terrorizing the citizens of liberty city for instance LOL! How many ways can nico bellic die? LOL! And then of course, when you're serious, you can actually complete missions, and submissions.
At times, GTA IV is slightly rough to me. You guys have just made yourselves out to be very hardcore LOL! I guess I knew, I just never fully acknowledged that. Much like a movie critique, you guys are very critical about games. I liked san andreas a great deal. So GTA IV is extremely advanced by comparison.
If you like, you can recommend me a game that is first person shooter(one man army), has the most advanced graphics, and sits in your top ten list :) Regardless of whether my GTX 260 can handle the game please. For if it can't, it will push me to upgrade to crossfire :D
Hey - if you like the atmosphere of the game - certainly GTA4 has a lot to offer - riding the motorcycles is wayyy cool - and getting those lapdances - especially when you keep paying - is wayyy ... ah hem. How can I put it?
But Kevin, I know you had Left 4 Dead 1 installed - you had all those screen shots showing you defeating the tank on the roof of the hospital.
I totally know what you mean - these guys are ON TOP of the latest gaming action, and I am like you - I own some top titles - everything except for COD6 - MW2 - but I won't drop the settings low enough to play on my current stuff. However, Miles, the animator guy, has said he's gonna give me a 4 gig 9450 rig that he no longer needs, so that might tide me over for a bit, and maybe I'll pick up a 5000 series card for it when that happens.
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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 fits the bill well. Its multiplayer functionality is pretty dire due to Activision being corporate ^&!*!&*A@&!s but the gameplay itself is, for a substantial part, one man army, modern, and the graphics are reasonably decent. The game will have no trouble on your GTX260 either.
Hey Kevin, Sam and Jeff have both endorsed that game - and add Miles, the animator guy to that list. He doesn't play games, but he gets all the steam stuff for free, so one day he sat down and played through MW2, and he was majorly blown away!!
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HD6 = Epic Fail :p
Haha - killing Niko has gotten to you - you've gone bonkers!!!
Still, what can they really pull off with the 6000 if they are stuck on the same 40nm die - they already have 2 billion transistors (but fermi has 3 billion.)
Hey - 600 gig velociraptors are out now for $279 at the egg. What does anybody think about that?
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16. April 2010 @ 23:23 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
And as for Red getting his i7 up to 4.1 to 4.2 - I don't know. He's got the 930 DO stepping, which will help. Red - how high are you so far?
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Hey - 600 gig velociraptors are out now for $279 at the egg. What does anybody think about that?
Rich
It's not going to make it :( Either the cpu is a pig or the budget MB is holding it back, barely stable at 3.92Ghz @ 1.3v (current heat threshold for me). I've been contemplating the difference between completely stable and stable enough recently though. I can clock higher on current voltage settings but it won't be able to handle extreme stress, but if you never know/find out does it really matter? My new rig was "stable" for two weeks before WCG showed me otherwise (it lasted 31s XD). So now I'm deciding between crunching and having a higher clock speed lol.
IMO the velociraptors are too much money for what you're getting. Sure it might be fast but I can't think of any reason some one would need that kind of speed for 600GB. I'm going to wait for the prices on the SSD's to come down (and for them to improve).
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17. April 2010 @ 00:32 |
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600Gb OS drive is rather large. But since its released, that means the 300Gb will begin to fall in price :) Which means I'll be tempted by the 300Gb now. And then I can use it for games and particular Softwares that could use quicker load times ;)
The reason my other games aren't installed anymore, is because they were installed on the Windows 7 beta. I'm now running the windows 7 retail edition. So everything hasn't been reinstalled yet. And now I'm encountering a bug, so I'm gonna reinstall windows yet again. That way I can hopefully pinpoint the problem, should it arise again ;)
I'm probably gonna Pickup Arkham asylum, and Call of duty: Modern warfare 2 here shortly. I'm interested in something new :D New to me anyway ;)
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