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23. April 2010 @ 21:11 |
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24. April 2010 @ 03:11 |
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Why do the 5850 and 5870 XF perform so poorly? They should at the very least perform as well as a single 5850/5870.
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24. April 2010 @ 05:52 |
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They run out of video memory in Crysis Warhead at this resolution, which cripples their performance.
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24. April 2010 @ 06:14 |
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The GTX 480 has 1536Mb of memory. The 5970's have 4Gb. The only reason the 480 beats the 5970 is because they overclocked the Shat out of it right LOL!?
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24. April 2010 @ 06:18 |
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Nope, the GTX480 has just enough memory to survive. You will notice the GTX470 at 1280MB falls to pieces, 1280MB clearly isn't enough. The GTX480s aren't overclocked, but notice that in order to do well there are two of them. In an nvidia-sponsored game like Crysis, to see what is effectively two HD5870s fare up so well against two GTX480s is pleasing.
The 4GB HD5970 will be cheaper than the GTX480s, use much less power, is ridiculously quieter (quieter even than a single HD5870, let alone a single 480, worse two) and comes up less than 20% short of the nvidia offering. In the UK, the GTX480s will cost quite a bit more as well.
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24. April 2010 @ 06:26 |
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Sounds good. Though I seem to recall hearing someone say that the newer Nvidia cards were overclocked to hell. LOL! Run really hot, and overpriced. Since the ATI equivalent is quieter, uses less power(should be cooler), count me in :D At least when I can afford one in a few decades! :p
Originally posted by sammorris:
The 4GB HD5970 will be cheaper than the GTX480s
Indeed. As it stands now, what I'm seeing is the 480's are cheaper. Not knocking ati here. Even if they are more expensive, they could be more worth it. ;)
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24. April 2010 @ 06:33 |
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They increased the clock speed from the original design to make up for the fact that they couldn't get all the cores working. They also massively upped the voltage to get them stable at said clock speeds, which is why they run so hot and use so much power, and why also, they are likely to have a short life expectancy. It will not surprise me to see more of these fail than the G80 8800s.
The price of the 4GB HD5970 is meant to be $1000. In the UK that means £750-£800. As I understand it two GTX480s in the US is around $1050. In the UK however two GTX480s are £900.
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24. April 2010 @ 11:10 |
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there is something wrong with cf scaling there is mucked up. Not to mention gtx 470 sli scaling. Why does 1 card loose to 2 and why do 2 5850s beat 2 5870s.
but i have to say the 4GB shows its poential here. Shame crysis is still unplayable :p i wonder in 90í% of games where ram isn't limiting if the clockspeed help? Isn't it a 15% increace in clocks? Ofc that never leads to 15% increace in FPS but still it'll make a difference.
im liking how the gtx 480 sli does, and tbh most games where ram isn't limiting it'll rape the 4GB even more, no? For ultimate performance its worth the price, but only if one is an FPS junkie and does care about the nuclear reactor needed to run it or the wind tunnel they will have to live in.
its sad that they are limiting with card to 1k each, but then 3 companies are doing it, so that's 3k cards. Getting ones hand on this will be hard sam.
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24. April 2010 @ 14:43 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
They run out of video memory in Crysis Warhead at this resolution, which cripples their performance.
Between the two cards there should be at least the same amount of memory (they should have used 2x1GB versions imo). Not as effective as one card but still I would think it should fare better than they did.
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24. April 2010 @ 19:23 |
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I am having a bit of a problem with bad company 2. I just got it yesterday and whenever I play a game online (after about 1 match) the entire computer will freeze, a loud noise will screech out of the speakers, and the only thing I can do is hard reset the computer.
I updated to the latest beta drivers (made specifically for bad company 2 actually) from the ATI website for my HD5850, updated my motherboard and onboard sound, set the game to run in DX9/DX10/ and thenDX11 none of that fixed it. Then I checked the temps after a match ended and the GPU was at 40 Celsius while the CPU is around 55ish. I have a core2duo 2.66 Ghz if that makes a difference and I am running Windows 7 64 bit (which might be the problem)
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24. April 2010 @ 19:40 |
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Windows 7 plays nice with every game I have. I would lean more toward something else. But who knows ;)
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24. April 2010 @ 19:47 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Windows 7 plays nice with every game I have. I would lean more toward something else. But who knows ;)
I am having this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_PiFTdqylw happen to me.
I will try updating my soundcard drivers to see if that fixes anything. If not I guess I will need to get a cheap-o soundcard to try out.
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24. April 2010 @ 19:56 |
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So the game probably doesn't mesh well with certain sound card drivers. Or possibly video drivers for that matter. Drivers can be quite the nuisance at times LOL! Perhaps sam or jeff has an idea. I'm afraid I do not have that game...
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24. April 2010 @ 23:57 |
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Usually when I get freeing and sound loops it's from a failed OC. Bad sound drivers usually won't allow the game to run or won't work correctly from the get-go. Ie it wouldn't make a full match.
Especially if you are using integrated sound I doubt drivers or hardware are the issue simply because integrated sound is heavily tested with every game and well proven.
I'd be more apt to blame a set of beta drivers. Try a full driver clean for your video card and re-install them new.
Win 7 64 is also very doubtful. The game was basically designed from the ground-up for Win 7.
I'd try cleaning out all of my drivers with Driver Sweeper Pro and re-installing the latest versions. Installing over old drivers means some issues always remain.
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25. April 2010 @ 00:00 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Usually when I get freeing and sound loops it's from a failed OC. Bad sound drivers usually won't allow the game to run or won't work correctly from the get-go. Ie it wouldn't make a full match.
Especially if you are using integrated sound I doubt drivers or hardware are the issue simply because integrated sound is heavily tested with every game and well proven.
I'd be more apt to blame a set of beta drivers. Try a full driver clean for your video card and re-install them new.
Win 7 64 is also very doubtful. The game was basically designed from the ground-up for Win 7.
I'd try cleaning out all of my drivers with Driver Sweeper Pro and re-installing the latest versions. Installing over old drivers means some issues always remain.
It was happening with the newest official drivers as well. I just got the beta drivers because EA said to try it. I will try cleaning out all of my drivers. Nothing on my machine is over clocked either.
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25. April 2010 @ 02:16 |
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Well if a driver sweep doesn't solve your problems. Then a reformat probably will. I didn't get much time with my 5850 but BC2 did seem to play alright barring graphical corruption which is a widespread issue...
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25. April 2010 @ 02:31 |
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so checking hexus.nets numbers unless you love crysis 5870CF either keeps up with or beats the 4GB 5970. Quite patetic given the 5970 costs £100 more and is clocked higher. It has a MUCH higher power consumption aswell. Dud of a card really because even then crysis is unplayable. Useless unless you NEED to use one slot. Though im sure sam will not agree
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25. April 2010 @ 05:05 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Well if a driver sweep doesn't solve your problems. Then a reformat probably will. I didn't get much time with my 5850 but BC2 did seem to play alright barring graphical corruption which is a widespread issue...
Driver sweep did not fix it :( In fact as soon as I joined a match the game ran extremely choppy, I ran two steps, and then it froze. It didn't even last for a match.
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25. April 2010 @ 05:15 |
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We may be waiting on the full version 10.4 drivers then. I have heard of several issues with the Radeon HD5 series and Bad Company 2.
The 10.4 beta hotfix is specifically for issues with slow loading screens on various Radeon cards, not for the issues the HD5 series has.
Don't fear a hardware issue. That this is most likely not. But it also doesn't seem to be solvable by conventional means ie sweeping drivers and installing the newest ones.
I have heard of a glitch with the 10.1 driver which has caused numerous issues with different series of cards. This glitch is written into the OS and seems to stay after a full driver sweep. The only fix I've found for that is a full reformat.
If you have a spare drive or enough HDD space, install a fresh copy of 7 x64 on said drive or partition and see if Bad Company 2 has similar issues using the latest available stable driver.
Also, if you haven't re-installed the game itself, that would be worth a try.
Does your PC have similar issues with other games?
I would recommend checking all of your power connections, especially those of the HDDs and video cards. Sometimes intermittent freezing can be a simple bad connection to a component. Also make sure you check that all of your cards are properly seated in the slot. Especially if this card is brand new I can name about a thousand scenarios where it might not have gotten fully seated. ie "ZOMG NEW VIDEO CARD MUST INSTALL NOW!!!!"
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25. April 2010 @ 07:23 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
We may be waiting on the full version 10.4 drivers then. I have heard of several issues with the Radeon HD5 series and Bad Company 2.
The 10.4 beta hotfix is specifically for issues with slow loading screens on various Radeon cards, not for the issues the HD5 series has.
Don't fear a hardware issue. That this is most likely not. But it also doesn't seem to be solvable by conventional means ie sweeping drivers and installing the newest ones.
I have heard of a glitch with the 10.1 driver which has caused numerous issues with different series of cards. This glitch is written into the OS and seems to stay after a full driver sweep. The only fix I've found for that is a full reformat.
If you have a spare drive or enough HDD space, install a fresh copy of 7 x64 on said drive or partition and see if Bad Company 2 has similar issues using the latest available stable driver.
Also, if you haven't re-installed the game itself, that would be worth a try.
Does your PC have similar issues with other games?
I would recommend checking all of your power connections, especially those of the HDDs and video cards. Sometimes intermittent freezing can be a simple bad connection to a component. Also make sure you check that all of your cards are properly seated in the slot. Especially if this card is brand new I can name about a thousand scenarios where it might not have gotten fully seated. ie "ZOMG NEW VIDEO CARD MUST INSTALL NOW!!!!"
I have never had a single problem with any of my other games. The HD5850 has beaten everything I have thrown at it before this. I looked inside the bad company 2 manual and it directed me to a FAQ on their site (last ditch effort) and they had listed the EXACT same problem as I was having. The FAQ said that it was due to the onboard realtek soundcard and that I need to lower sound acceleration. But then it said that it only applied to XP and that was the only fix listed for it. I have a 1 gig "media" HDD and a 500 gig HDD so installing a fresh copy shouldn't be a problem. If so many people weren't having the exact same problem as me I would suspect it was something on my end as well.
I just reinstalled the game too :P Still same problem
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25. April 2010 @ 08:02 |
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That's extremely weird that Realtek onboard would have an issue. It's one of the most used sound chips in gaming PCs... and worldwide for that matter. If everything else you try fails, a soundcard isn't too bad an idea besides. An Audigy SE can be had for under $20 and will kick the living crap out of integrated sound. The quality is absolutely no match at all.
Though if you decide to get a soundcard, let me know which model you decide on. Many of the cheaper cards have most of their features "locked out" under Vista and 7 as part of Creative's plan to force everyone onto X-Fi cards. There are hacked drivers available which re-enable everything and have worked problem free for any game I've seen them used on. Specifically one of my best friends is using a Creative Audigy SE with hacked drivers on Win 7 x64 with a single 5850 and he plays BC2 with me several times a week. With great performance to boot.
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25. April 2010 @ 09:43 |
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shaff: CF scaling is bad in the example I posted because the way the frame buffers work in crossfire means a little more video memory is required. Having only 1GB hurts a single card's performance, but SLI or crossfire make matters even worse.
The 4GB 5970 is only 900mhz vs 850, it's not much, but it can subsequently be overclocked to 1000. Calling the 4GB 5970 a dud card simply because it uses more power in furmark is laughable. The performance in unbiased games is hot on the heels of the GTX480 SLI, if not equalling it, for less cost and a lot less power. The 480s are the duds, not the 5970. Look at the real consumption - notice how it falls in line with the others nicely (furmark a 4870X2, you get the same extreme trend)
Maybe this will change your mind?
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25. April 2010 @ 17:22 |
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Haha I just realized I said I have a 1 gig media HDD. I meant 1TB.. That's what I get for posting at 4 am.
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25. April 2010 @ 20:30 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
shaff: CF scaling is bad in the example I posted because the way the frame buffers work in crossfire means a little more video memory is required. Having only 1GB hurts a single card's performance, but SLI or crossfire make matters even worse.
The 4GB 5970 is only 900mhz vs 850, it's not much, but it can subsequently be overclocked to 1000. Calling the 4GB 5970 a dud card simply because it uses more power in furmark is laughable. The performance in unbiased games is hot on the heels of the GTX480 SLI, if not equalling it, for less cost and a lot less power. The 480s are the duds, not the 5970. Look at the real consumption - notice how it falls in line with the others nicely (furmark a 4870X2, you get the same extreme trend)
Maybe this will change your mind?
as for that picture, for £100 more its so not worth it, for 4 FPS.
and im calling it a dud based on its price for ALL of the the reasons i stated not JUST the power consumption. and yes the GTX480s a dud aswell, but i never said it wasnt. it seems that when anyone says anythign against ATI you get very defensive and try and pin something bad on nvidia, why is that?
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26. April 2010 @ 02:03 |
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it seems that when anyone says anythign against ATI you get very defensive and try and pin something bad on nvidia, why is that?
Nvidia is evil. Simple enough :P
No I think it's more that Nvidia is epic fail. They run hot, probably die fast, are loud, nowhere near as fast as the original specs said, and they suck power like nobody's business. Whereas ATi has delivered exactly what they promised, on time, with decent power consumption, and it costs less than comparable Nvidia solutions. Whether or not the card is right for you, there are several instances where Sam has shown its uses. The 4GB 5970 definitely holds an advantage over 5870 Crossfire in 2560 resolution. And what's not shown on the graph are the minimum and maximums. I'll be willing to bet anything the 4GB 5970 maintains way higher minimums at 2560 with AA.
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