|
|
|
The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
17. April 2010 @ 06:45 |
Link to this message
|
I have absolutely no basis to speculate how the HD6 series will perform and how much power it will use. It's simply too early days yet. As for the name, it was originally Northern Islands when it was 32nm.
As for video memory Rich, you have no idea. At 2560x1600, A 2GB HD5870 beats the pants off a 2x1GB HD5970, simply because the latter runs out of memory.
The best example of this is the Eyefinity6 report, which uses resolutions even higher than 2560:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/04/1...rmance_review/5
Look at the bottom :P
PCIe bandwidth for the 5970s won't be an issue. An HD5870 at 2560 or 1920 resolution loses only 5% of its performance when running at 4x speed.
The issue is, two Petunia cards are well beyond what I can spend. My aim is for a third solo GPU, a normal 5870 Eyefinity6. As it stands though, that too is out of budget - or at least it is considering I want to get some redundancy for my server.
The only intrigue for me with the velociraptor is as a games drive, to supplement an SSD.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
17. April 2010 @ 12:59 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
PCIe bandwidth for the 5970s won't be an issue. An HD5870 at 2560 or 1920 resolution loses only 5% of its performance when running at 4x speed.
Yeah that article blew my mind. Maybe the first time I've ever seen a definitive test to really show the differences. Funny that even Crossfire is worth it if you have 16x/4x :P
Quote:
The only intrigue for me with the velociraptor is as a games drive, to supplement an SSD.
Yeah a larger Veloci would be perfect as a games drive. But at this point I'm sticking with my current OS drive until SSDs are more affordable. I want at least a 500GB for my OS so that might be a while :S
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388 |
|
harvrdguy
Senior Member
|
17. April 2010 @ 18:03 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by sam:
As for video memory Rich, you have no idea. At 2560x1600, A 2GB HD5870 beats the pants off a 2x1GB HD5970, simply because the latter runs out of memory.
I know Jeff is chuckling. Having bitten the bullet and followed Sam to 30" (and proud of it lol) I have no choice but to look for the most graphic memory I can find. Hey guys, if Miles gives me that 4 gig 9450, how would a petunia perform for me at 2560x1600 on crysis? Could I do high? (not ultra high I know.)
Originally posted by sam:
PCIe bandwidth for the 5970s won't be an issue. An HD5870 at 2560 or 1920 resolution loses only 5% of its performance when running at 4x speed.
Originally posted by Jeff:
Yeah that article blew my mind. Maybe the first time I've ever seen a definitive test to really show the differences. Funny that even Crossfire is worth it if you have 16x/4x :P
Now THAT is damn interesting information. Did I miss a link somewhere - what article did you guys read about that?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Originally posted by Red_Maw:
It's not going to make it :( Either the cpu is a pig or the budget MB is holding it back, barely stable at 3.92Ghz @ 1.3v (current heat threshold for me).
Well, you've sure gone a long ways from your 3.65 - congrats! Damn close to 4.0. What's your mobo?
And at that speed, which is almost 10% faster than before, where are you on your 3dmark6 scores? You were at 24,000 before, as I recall, and Sam said 3dmark6 is heavily cpu dependent, so a 10% higher clock should put you at what? 26,000??? Closing in on Sam, :P
I guess you guys have a good point about the velociraptors, compared to what you can get for around $150 these days. It will be interesting to see how affordable the SSDs become over the next 12 months.
Right now, at newegg, we have the 80 gig Intel SSD at $220 and the 160 gig Intel SSD at $435. One guy says "Yes you can argue that 3 or 4 Raptor drives in RAID-0 will give you similar performance and a much bigger size, but will have a higher failure rate and have to go through the hassle of installing raid drivers."
Well, two of the new 600 gig velociraptors at a total of $560 in Raid 0 gives you - what - on Raid 0 you don't lose any space - you stripe across both for reading and writing on two spindles at once, so you get 1200 gigs. But I guess for maximum speed you'd want at least one more spindle, so you could buy 3 300 gigs at $200 each, equals $600 for a total of 900 gigs - and read off of 3 spindles for even more speed.
So for velociraptors,
1. 2 spindles = $560 = 1200 gigs.
2. 3 spindles = $600 = 900 gigs (price on this drive will soon drop)
And if 3 velociraptors in Raid 0 are as fast as the SSD, then that's velociraptors $600 (soon dropping I would guess) for 900 gigs, versus SSD $435 for 160 gigs.
But coming along by the end of this year is the latest breakthrough in 25nm SSD design by Intel and Micro, their company called IMFT, which is supposed to result in a huge DROP IN SSD PRICES . . . . .
Originally posted by Anandtech article on new Intel SSD technology:
Volume production will happen sometime in Q2, with products shipping before the end of the year. In my last SSD article I mentioned that Intel's 3rd generation X25-M would be shipping in Q4 at 160GB, 320GB and 600GB. These drives will use IMFT's new 25nm flash.
Like Nick says "It's getting good!"
Speaking of Nick - there is a new campaign coming for free to L4D2 - the Passing, which combines both sets of survivors. (How do they do that - with 8 players??? - although another article says Bill won't be back because his voice actor, Jim French, has not been available - if true, RIP - Bill is much loved, lol.) This information is all here in this wikipedia article and according to the article, the Passing was due to be released last month, but maybe we'll see it in a month or two. Since I haven't jumped on my gaming machine in almost two months (unbelievable - I'm really trying to get into the swing of real estate phone calls) maybe you guys already have the new free campaign.
Rich
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 17. April 2010 @ 19:12
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
17. April 2010 @ 20:21 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Now THAT is damn interesting information. Did I miss a link somewhere - what article did you guys read about that?
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/H..._Scaling/1.html
With basically the fastest single core card. That definitive enough? Proves my theory all along that PCI-e isn't even close to being tapped.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
|
|
Red_Maw
Senior Member
|
17. April 2010 @ 21:09 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Originally posted by Red_Maw:
It's not going to make it :( Either the cpu is a pig or the budget MB is holding it back, barely stable at 3.92Ghz @ 1.3v (current heat threshold for me).
Well, you've sure gone a long ways from your 3.65 - congrats! Damn close to 4.0. What's your mobo?
And at that speed, which is almost 10% faster than before, where are you on your 3dmark6 scores? You were at 24,000 before, as I recall, and Sam said 3dmark6 is heavily cpu dependent, so a 10% higher clock should put you at what? 26,000??? Closing in on Sam, :P
Rich
The previous score was only ~22200 so now I would expect 23-24k probably, not enough to make large difference. I'll run 3dmark next time I restart this rig, but in the mean time I'm to busy crunching X)
The MB is a UD3R btw.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 17. April 2010 @ 21:09
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
18. April 2010 @ 01:47 |
Link to this message
|
well then what leads the 5970 equate to CF5850s in performance? drivers?
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|. |
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 03:28 |
Link to this message
|
Good lord guys! Call Of Duty: Modern War Fare 2 is 59.99 in the states!!! Is it really worth that much? Thats at walmart by the way. Although I suppose the price isn't gonna differ much...
Unfortunately, walmart did not have Arkham Asylum. I won't be relying on them to have that though ;) They did have metro 2033. It was also expensive. Sure wish I was Bill gates about now LOL!
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! |
AfterDawn Addict
|
18. April 2010 @ 03:33 |
Link to this message
|
|
get cod4 isntead ;)
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 05:48 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Good lord guys! Call Of Duty: Modern War Fare 2 is 59.99 in the states!!! Is it really worth that much? Thats at walmart by the way. Although I suppose the price isn't gonna differ much...
Yeah $60 for 5 hours of gameplay and crappy multiplayer is a big rip. The campaign, however short it is, is still fantastic though. One of the best games I have ever played. 5 hours of gameplay from a $60 game though... *shudder*. Had Infinity Ward made the game say 3 or 4 hours longer it would easily have been my pick for GOTY. As it stands though, I refuse to pay money for it. Call of Duty found it's roots in having the very best, most authentic single player campaigns ever made. This "multiplayer centric" release, with buggy, dumbed down multiplayer anyway, is a step in the wrong direction. Now they're talking about a monthly subscription model for their next game! For shame Infinity Ward. You are forgetting what the fans want. There was already great multiplayer in CoD4:MW1 plus an awesome 8+ hour campaign!!!
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
18. April 2010 @ 05:55 |
Link to this message
|
IW arnt making the next game btw. they are gone.
i remember watching band of brothers, and then playing cod2. the sound, the look and feel, the way if grenades went of near you, you couldnt hear properly, the sayings of the soldiers etc, was AMAZING.
IMO nothing comes close to that for me.
MW2 screwed most stuff up for me. and it shows on my xfire stats, i have played more BC2 than MW2 already lol. though 1560 hours of COD4 have been played. dont think i will ever surpass that (well not unless you add all the hours i have played in all the pokemon games lol)
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 06:42 |
Link to this message
|
No, not for shame Infinity Ward, for shame Activision. Do some reading. Bobby Kotick is legendary among games publishers. He's publically come out and said:
"If games were up to me, they'd be even more than $60"
"The only efficient way to make games is to keep the staff under an environment of oppression and fear"
"No game should ever be sold that can't have numerous sequels and addons to turn it into a multi-billion dollar franchise"
When Infinity Ward's top two asked to receive some of their royalties for Modern Warfare 2 (agreed contractually, but Activision hadn't paid them) - they weren't just told off, they weren't just sacked from the company, the security for the building actually hoisted them from their desks and threw them out. 13 Staff have now left the company, to sign with EA under the new name Respawn Entertainment.
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 07:35 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
i remember watching band of brothers, and then playing cod2. the sound, the look and feel, the way if grenades went of near you, you couldnt hear properly, the sayings of the soldiers etc, was AMAZING.
IMO nothing comes close to that for me.
Agreed Call of Duty 2 has the best single player campaign in a game ever hands-down. And hilariously I would still consider the graphics pretty good :P
Said it before and will say it again forever: CoD2 is my all time favorite game.
Quote:
MW2 screwed most stuff up for me. and it shows on my xfire stats, i have played more BC2 than MW2 already lol. though 1560 hours of COD4 have been played. dont think i will ever surpass that (well not unless you add all the hours i have played in all the pokemon games lol)
Haha too right. I enjoy a good deathmatch, but BC2 offers better gameplay, better maps, and better community support. Not to mention it was only $50...
Quote:
No, not for shame Infinity Ward, for shame Activision. Do some reading. Bobby Kotick is legendary among games publishers. He's publically come out and said:
"If games were up to me, they'd be even more than $60"
"The only efficient way to make games is to keep the staff under an environment of oppression and fear"
"No game should ever be sold that can't have numerous sequels and addons to turn it into a multi-billion dollar franchise"
Sickening. Just sickening.
Quote:
When Infinity Ward's top two asked to receive some of their royalties for Modern Warfare 2 (agreed contractually, but Activision hadn't paid them) - they weren't just told off, they weren't just sacked from the company, the security for the building actually hoisted them from their desks and threw them out. 13 Staff have now left the company, to sign with EA under the new name Respawn Entertainment.
So this is how the creators of one of the greatest games ever made are treated? I do hope those guys ended up with royalties at some point. I've bought every Infinity Ward "branded" title to date, barring MW2.
I hope the original IW team can continue to make quality titles under their new name and publisher. It would be sad to see such a talented group of individuals driven from the industry by a few greedy bastards. Considering the retarded amounts of money the CoD franchise has made them, you think Activision would be more intelligent about their choices. They just threw away my money and respect right there.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 07:41 |
Link to this message
|
|
Not really, They're just going to make More CoDs with Treyarch, who didn't get fired.
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 07:53 |
Link to this message
|
EL-OH-EL. Sounds like EA sports pumping out games year after year. But the difference is that EA Sports games are fun and of good quality... Whatever happened to the team who made United Offensive? Because the current Treyarch members couldn't have made such a quality title...
So Call of Duty as we know it is finished. Has Respawn Entertainment announced any plans? Any new IPs being brought to light?
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. April 2010 @ 08:02
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 08:00 |
Link to this message
|
|
Early to say yet, but the next few months could be interesting.
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 09:19 |
Link to this message
|
|
Just read some about a new Medal of Honor. Apparently they are taking a leaf from CoD's and Battlefield's books and bringing it into the 21st century. Big difference being that it won't be covering a fictional conflict. The new game will have you fighting in the modern day Middle East fighting real Al Quaeda insurgents. Hmm very interesting. Not that the setting hasn't been covered extensively, but the MoH series has always had very authentic set-pieces, if nothing else. My favorite being the Pearl Harbor level from Pacific Assault. Of course their PC series is of a higher pedigree than their shoddy console brethren. Remember Allied Assault(PC) vs Frontline(PS2/GC)? They were released as companions but Allied Assault was incredible and intense... and Frontline was quite literally target practice. Here's hoping that the new game's multi-platform release doesn't equal instant consolitis fail.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 11:39 |
Link to this message
|
|
Was never into the MoH games really as I never much cared for the WW2 storyline most americans seem obsessed with. (Brutal stereotype, but it really does seem to be the case). Modern setting though and I'll have a look at it.
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 12:34 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Was never into the MoH games really as I never much cared for the WW2 storyline
Neither was I but because the series' quality dropped drastically after the first 3 or so games. Allied Assault and the expansions were pretty good, Pacific Assault was good fun too. Frontline, Rising Sun, the Wii versions, and even Airborne(to a lesser extent), all sucked hard.
Quote:
(Brutal stereotype, but it really does seem to be the case)
Most American gamers will tell you they are sick of WWII games. It got stale after CoD2 put everything else to shame. If a game happens to be good though, and it's a WWII game, then it's still a bonus :P
As far as an obsession? Maybe just CoD2 for me :P
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. April 2010 @ 12:36
|
|
Red_Maw
Senior Member
|
18. April 2010 @ 16:13 |
Link to this message
|
Like I thought, 4Ghz would probably make 24k pretty easy.
As a side note I either never cared for or played any of the games mentioned on this page so I'll keep my 2c to myself.
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 16:19 |
Link to this message
|
|
Your CPU score is actually slightly ahead of mine (5%), but my SM2 score (typically CPU limited) is 6% higher, and the SM3 score (not really CPU limited) is 40% higher, suggesting you have about 5% extra CPU power and I have about 40% extra GPU power. What cards are you running again? You really need to get a proper sig :P
|
|
Red_Maw
Senior Member
|
18. April 2010 @ 20:04 |
Link to this message
|
Tried to make a new cpuz sig yesterday but it refused to process my validation file even after 10 min. of messing with it.
That system was:
cpu: i7 930 @ 3.9Ghz
gpu: HD5850
RAM: 1568Mhz (think) @ 6-8-6-24
Really surprised to see a sub 4Ghz i7 beat a 4.1Ghz i5 750, don't think I've ever see that before.
Edit: it finally worked lol http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1140919
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. April 2010 @ 20:08
|
AfterDawn Addict
4 product reviews
|
18. April 2010 @ 20:38 |
Link to this message
|
|
3dmark is fully multi-threaded. Games are not.
Also, CPUZ sigs don't show GPUs.
|
|
Red_Maw
Senior Member
|
18. April 2010 @ 21:11 |
Link to this message
|
|
They are links to the validation page which does show the gpu :P
Games should be multi-threaded, lazy programmers ;).
oh yeah, my 930 is the second lowest clocked one submitted to HWbots XD
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. April 2010 @ 21:12
|
AfterDawn Addict
7 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 00:20 |
Link to this message
|
I'm reinstalling Crysis now. I had it installed once upon a time, and only played for literally only a few minutes. Don't know why I didn't play more. Perhaps it was RIGHT before I switched to release candidate(Windows 7), then never installed it. And now I run the retail edition. I'm currently encoding a BD --> 720P AVCHD. When I'm finished watching that movie...Game time :D
I heard some one say recently, that nvidia is very optimized for Crysis. So I should enjoy myself? :D I remember thinking the game looked pretty good. I think I even ran it on my 8600Gt. Not sure. Possibly not... :p
To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question! |
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
15 product reviews
|
19. April 2010 @ 01:39 |
Link to this message
|
Crysis should run just fine for you. The GTX260 is more than capable. And yes you remembered correctly, Crysis is a damn good looking game ;P
Number one rule though, don't use AA.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
|
|
