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23. July 2009 @ 10:31 |
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got links to those numbers russ?
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23. July 2009 @ 11:26 |
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Russ: I could stand the thunderblade because it was nowhere near as loud as an FM121 at full speed. It was certainly loud though, and not even that powerful.
Biostar have been so small in the market because their earlier stuff was pretty awful, it takes a while to come back from that.
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
lol what happened was GB calimed ASUS EPU wasnt the greatness that ASUS claimed but then showed blown caps of an asus mobo to prove it was bad.
then asus threatened to sue for defaming them, and the fact that the caps that were blown was from a graphics card not a mobo, and was a different manufacturer, not asus.
so both decided to call it quits.
Shaff,
I posted the original story on this and followed it pretty closely afterwards. I hate to disagree, but first off the chip in question was the 4 phase EPU only which was not connected to any of the hardware in question and did not work as advertised. I've seen exactly one, and half of it was electrically dead! In my eyes that makes GigaByte very possibly right! You can't have a hardware solution if the EPU isn't connected to the hardware in question.
I know you are an intelligent person, so please explain to me how come Asus changed the packaging right after this was made public? They removed all the EPU claims from the packaging. Not only that, the claims GigaByte made in regard to the capacitors were probably true as well. The capacitors on all the pictures shown are sub standard, just like the shi77y components that did the P5N-E SLI in. The base board level components on the P5N-E were total crap! That's why they failed right and left! I know if I saw that kind of junk in any of the high tech stuff I worked on, I would be shocked beyond words.
Then there's the personal side as well. How would you like to spend a couple of hours going through 25 pages of complaints about a motherboard, 90 percent of which were the same exact problem you were having, only to have a tech from Asus tell you that there were no known problems with the motherboard! You explain that you just came from their own forum and there were 25 pages of similar complaints that you had just spent the last few hours reading through, and he tells you that there might be a few complaints, but not that many! I have to conclude that the guy might just be lying through his teeth!
At this point I have to seriously consider that what Gigabyte claimed might in fact be the truth. I particularly loved the headline, "Asus Smacks Gigabyte with a Lawsuit"! You read the article and there's not a single mention of any lawsuit, not even a threat of one! For the record, Asus never filed one! From what I can determine at this point is if they had, they would have lost big time if they had filed one. Do you seriously think that Tom's Hardware would have gotten involved on such a personal level unless they believed the claims made by Gigabyte? They certainly had to be shown some sort of proof, or they never would have left themselves open to the possibility of being named a co-respondent in the lawsuit against GigaByte if they couldn't show Tom's something concrete to back up their claims? How about the pictures? Isn't it a strange coincidence that the boards pictured just happen to be the same color as the Asus P5K-SE/EPU, the motherboard used in GigaByte's tests! None of it looks like any video card I've seen It's not like it is a very common color for motherboards or video cards either!
All of this put together suggests to me that Asus got caught with their pants down and their fingers in the cookie jar! It's not that I'm trying to throw rocks at Asus, but rather looking over the whole picture and not liking what I see. I do know this! I would be very reluctant to believe much of what Asus says, or at least not put much faith in it! If Asus had the goods on GigaByte, they would have gone right out and filed a real lawsuit. Gigabyte is Asus's biggest competitor, so how could they turn down a huge business opportunity like that unless they were lying to begin with. I can only conclude that Gigabyte does indeed have the goods on Asus, and short of making a whole lot of noise, there's nothing much that Asus can do about it!
Best Regards,
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23. July 2009 @ 14:50 |
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23. July 2009 @ 15:00 |
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GB did go underhandidly with the whole gfx card=/ mobo, it was underhadned, and was proven to be so. then again, asus were probably scared my GB, though we cant say that for sure, we dont know.
Both compaines shut up about the whole incident, so im sure they worked it out. anyway, why get so worked up over something so old?
mmm asus has lost quite a bit from last year, but i wonder how laptop/netbook market they have now.
also GB has about the same ammount of market share as last year, wonder who has taken most of asus market share.
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Foxconn? DFI? EVGA have shown a 1% increase from last year from 2.4 to 3.4%, presumably now they finally offer non-nforce boards they're worth buying from. I'll stear clear thanks after the 650i one I witnessed. XFX did a much better job. Gigabyte are up 0.8% but MSI are down 0.4% and DFI are down 0.7%.
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In my mind the coolermaster centurion cases are better designed than the cavaliers, and the sideways HDD bays are a little more effective, but the main thing that makes the difference is not the orientation but the spacing. The amount of air around the HDD bays is considerably more in some CM cases than others and that makes a big difference.
Haha my Centurion is the original Centurion 5 design with the forward facing drivebays. It has 2 80mm fans(both intake, one custom with a suspended mount), and one 120mm exhaust fan. Despite that it manages to keep the 7750 BE and 9800GTX fairly cool. At my friends house in his Raidmax Scorpio it was choking. 65*C idle :S In my Centurion, 58*C right now. Haven't even cleaned the dusty fan/sink out yet or reapplied TIM. And this is with two SATA HDDs in front of the 80mm intake fan that feeds the card. Seriously, they must have figured the airflow perfectly. Maybe it also helps that I cut out the punched fan grills, smoothed the edges, and put in free-flow chrome ones :P
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lol what happened was GB calimed ASUS EPU wasnt the greatness that ASUS claimed but then showed blown caps of an asus mobo to prove it was bad.
then asus threatened to sue for defaming them, and the fact that the caps that were blown was from a graphics card not a mobo, and was a different manufacturer, not asus.
so both decided to call it quits.
LOL I hate ASUS anyway so whoop-de-doo, lol.
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23. July 2009 @ 18:15 |
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Sounds like the same case I built my cousin's PC in, the 532? The Raidmax Scorpio is a seriously terrible case, it's like a Chieftec Dragon, but minus the quality and performance.
You can't hate Asus because people come down on you like a tonne of bricks, but I'm certainly not impressed. I also got told off at hexus for saying ASRock boards were bad. Whatever next, people defending ECS?
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23. July 2009 @ 19:36 |
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im sure bricks would be dropped if GB or biostar were hated aswell, but i only see hate for asus...
tbh i havent heard bad things about asrock, then again who buys them LOL
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23. July 2009 @ 19:41 |
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I see plenty for Asus and Gigabyte, but nowhere near as much. You tend not to see as much 'I hate gigabyte I'm buying an Asus' more 'I've never had a problem with Asus I'll buy another' - Asus' customers seem to stick on the extent of them not having been exposed to their bad boards, which are pretty hard to avoid.
Ftr, most people moan about Asus because they break, most people moan about Gigabyte because they look silly, most people moan about DFI because the BIOSes are obscene, most people moan about ECS boards for, well, it should be obvious, hardly anyone moans about Biostar because hardly anyone buys them (yet).
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23. July 2009 @ 19:49 |
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lol well depeend on the board. most nvidia chips = fail lol.
personally, for me, asus are the best, i cant stand this DFI board, which cant get my E5200 to 3GHz, and had faulty sata cables.
the one GB board i had was DOA, but everytime i see a review, i see a bios where the values are incremental, which is annoying.
then again i have had hardly any problem with vista 64, which everyone seems to hate aswell.
on a side note, i want to water cool again, but this time within my micro ATX Sugo SG-02 F case, which will be near impossible, but im up for modding. ill go with that new corsair watercooler all in one thing, where pump and CPU block are 1 and res is there aswell at a 120.1 res. but first i want a P55 mobo with i5/i7 and a MATX one via ASUS ROG boards.
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23. July 2009 @ 19:50 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
GB did go underhandidly with the whole gfx card=/ mobo, it was underhadned, and was proven to be so. then again, asus were probably scared my GB, though we cant say that for sure, we dont know.
Both compaines shut up about the whole incident, so im sure they worked it out. anyway, why get so worked up over something so old?
mmm asus has lost quite a bit from last year, but i wonder how laptop/netbook market they have now.
also GB has about the same ammount of market share as last year, wonder who has taken most of asus market share.
Shaff,
Did you look over all three pages of the link I sent you for the motherboard statistics? You may not have noticed but there's statistics for CPUs and Memory as well. Just below the word Forum at the top there's a little arrow thing where it says Carte Meres. I missed it the first time I went there, the drop down arrow is so small! LOL!!
Russ
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23. July 2009 @ 19:54 |
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Every Asus board I've had for the record has had unclipped red standad S-ATA cables, which are prone to fail, I've had several go. The yellow clipped gigabyte ones however, so far so good, and I use a lot of them.
For the record, P35, X38 and X48 Gigabyte BIOSes have incremental voltages. The P45 boards have fully labeled BIOSes. I think the X58s are the same.
All nvidia chipsets are fail from the statistics.
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23. July 2009 @ 20:06 |
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lol love your last line. well till now, not a problem with my red ASUS sata cables, even with the ones that came with my P5N-E.
ahh and so x58 boards do have abslute values :)
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23. July 2009 @ 20:13 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
im sure bricks would be dropped if GB or biostar were hated aswell, but i only see hate for asus...
tbh i havent heard bad things about asrock, then again who buys them LOL
Shaff,
Asrocks are OK, they just aren't very durable, and that's only if you don't overclock. I have to say that they were very good about exchanges and RMAs. Of course they are another company that's fairly close to where I live. Most computer and electronics places are in The City of Industry or Walnut, less than an hour away. The first one I ever saw belonged to my friend and former landlord Andrew. It was RMA'd twice in one year. They only list 19 motherboards on Newegg, and more than 25% of them are Open box! That should tell you something right there! LOL!!
EDIT: I forgot to include Intel boards. There are 49 total listed for Asrock! Sorry.
Best Regards,
Russ
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Not only that, they also eliminate Ctrl+F1 as well.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Every Asus board I've had for the record has had unclipped red standad S-ATA cables, which are prone to fail, I've had several go. The yellow clipped gigabyte ones however, so far so good, and I use a lot of them.
For the record, P35, X38 and X48 Gigabyte BIOSes have incremental voltages. The P45 boards have fully labeled BIOSes. I think the X58s are the same.
All nvidia chipsets are fail from the statistics.
Sam,
I quite agree on the red Sata cables. I threw all I had away. It seems if you even look at them cross-eyed, they fail. I have some orange ones from BioStar that are just as bad. The yellow ones from GigaByte with the clips seem to work very well, but God what an ugly color! Baby Poop yellow! LOL!!
Russ
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23. July 2009 @ 20:28 |
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but they're UV reactive ;-)
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23. July 2009 @ 20:41 |
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GB sata > others mobo sata cables, they have the clips, but UV> all.
LOL @ the open box. how are asrock X58 boards? are they even OCable? or cheap? do ESC have X50 boards.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not only that, they also eliminate Ctrl+F1 as well.
Hey, I like the Ctrl+F1. It keeps people who don't know what they are doing from mucking around with the important settings. My policy is to put a password in for the setup. I write it on the underside of the top with a permanent marker. I've had a couple of Genius kids get mad at me for that, because they can't get in it to "make it faster'! LOL!! I'll never understand why some people who don't know what they are doing wanting to play around with settings they don't even understand, and on someone else's computer to boot!
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Are there even any ASRock X58 boards? I'm pretty sure they don't make any boards beyond £60, perhaps they'll come out of the woodwork when P55 arrives.
Russ: Ultimately, Ctrl+F1 doesn't stop people fiddling with voltages which are what cause the real agro, and there are plenty of 'not to be messed with' settings not hidden away with it. I'm not really sure what it was meant to achieve.
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23. July 2009 @ 20:48 |
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yeah they make X58 boards. i jsut wonder hwo they are. i mean whos buys X58 not to OC.
ebueyr have 2.
one for £160
and one for £235... LOOOOOOOOOOL who spends that much on an ASROCK?
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And the Brainless Genius of the Year Award goes to:
Cons: I wanted to give this board a 5, BUT:
Died after running a test in which the CPU fan plug was removed at idle to test another CPU fan. Should this have caused harm?? Temps remained low for this brief period. Guessing it was the OC'ing attempts, or heavy use at 3.2Ghz? BIOS updated not long back, but ran fine for a while.
ROFLMSOAO!
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Are there even any ASRock X58 boards? I'm pretty sure they don't make any boards beyond £60, perhaps they'll come out of the woodwork when P55 arrives.
Russ: Ultimately, Ctrl+F1 doesn't stop people fiddling with voltages which are what cause the real agro, and there are plenty of 'not to be messed with' settings not hidden away with it. I'm not really sure what it was meant to achieve.
Sam,
Hmm, on my 965P and P35-DS3R you could change the settings without hitting Ctrl+F1, and click save, but it wouldn't actually change or save them! I don't know about this board, as I've never tried it.
Russ
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Are there even any ASRock X58 boards? I'm pretty sure they don't make any boards beyond £60, perhaps they'll come out of the woodwork when P55 arrives.
Russ: Ultimately, Ctrl+F1 doesn't stop people fiddling with voltages which are what cause the real agro, and there are plenty of 'not to be messed with' settings not hidden away with it. I'm not really sure what it was meant to achieve.
Sam,
The highest priced one they list at newegg is $285 or about 173 Pounds!
Russ
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