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27. July 2009 @ 15:49 |
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Agreed, I've every confidence it can be done on water, but the volts would be at least 1.6, to reach the speeds Russ claims more like 1.75, especially for a tri-core.
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27. July 2009 @ 16:02 |
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newer steppings sam. And remember, with the Q6600s, some people hit 4GHz on air, others struggled to hit 3.2
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27. July 2009 @ 16:12 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
but 1.5 is fine for the AMDs as they dont use the high k metal gate, as that limits the voltage :)
wonder how much more they can push it with 4 cores?
Shaff,
I would imagine that it would depend on the condition of the 4th core if you can successfully enable it. Your best shot for a triple unlocking the 4th core is the x3 720BE, as it's more likely to unlock than either of the cores on a phenom II x2 550BE. As far as the high k metal gate goes, that's an Intel thing, not AMD's. Keep in mind that the Intel 45nm chips will not run without them, where the AMD's do! At the time, it was a Kludge for Intel that had to be added to the existing 45nm architecture. The AMD's metal gate transistors will use less voltage and wattage than the Intel's for the high k metal gate transistors. About 30 to 35% less power overall, according to IBM/Ati, who partnered designing and building them exclusively for AMD! They are also about 25% faster acting! The CPU voltage requirements will go down some too. As I said, the big difference between Intel and AMD when it comes to the metal gate transistors is Intel's had to be made to adapt to existing architecture, where the AMD 45nm chips were designed with them as part of the architecture, right from the beginning!
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27. July 2009 @ 16:23 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Man, people are making it VERY tempting to try OC'ing my PhenomII again. Seeing people exceed extreme clock speeds tells me the processor can likely do it, and its simply my memory being finicky(4 sticks of ram).
While my luck is bad, surely its not sooo bad that I got a bad bin!!!
it is harder to OC with 4 sticks of mem than compared to just 2 sticks. just pull 2 of them out and try to OC it then. im sure you will like what your results will be..
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27. July 2009 @ 16:58 |
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27. July 2009 @ 17:50 |
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I haven't seen any new steppings, I didn't know they existed, all I know is there are new CPUs out labelled 245 and 545, with power consumption very similar to, but no lower than the Intels.
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28. July 2009 @ 22:33 |
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29. July 2009 @ 00:17 |
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Oh yeah saw this a few pages back from Russ. Must have missed it because it urges me to respond XD
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Estuansis,
As far as I know, the Cooler master 120s are all 30 to 33 CFM.
Actually Russ, I'm using these fans right here and they ARE 43-44CFM fans.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103052
I bought two of those 4 packs and what a deal! These fans should be about $12 bucks a piece. Sure they're el-cheapo but they do a good job.
And they ARE very quiet. Just as quiet as my PSU fan at least. Which means nearly silent in typical use. I've always got music going or a game or the TV is on or my floor fan is on or whatever. Even with everything off these fans are so quiet I can just ignore them. Like barely audible over my own breathing. Not only that but I run them on auto speed settings so they're even quieter than they were. The overall airflow for all three systems is actually fairly good too. I've never had a heat problem on any PC I've ever built.
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29. July 2009 @ 01:22 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Man, people are making it VERY tempting to try OC'ing my PhenomII again. Seeing people exceed extreme clock speeds tells me the processor can likely do it, and its simply my memory being finicky(4 sticks of ram).
While my luck is bad, surely its not sooo bad that I got a bad bin!!!
it is harder to OC with 4 sticks of mem than compared to just 2 sticks. just pull 2 of them out and try to OC it then. im sure you will like what your results will be..
Robo,
It's funny, when I first got my E6750, It didn't OC worth a damn with 4 sticks. I just assumed that since I had two different cas latency memories installed, that it wouldn't run overclocked. I removed the Corsair XMS and left the 2 1GB Dominators. Once I got it OC'd to 3.55GHz after I couldn't get to 3.1 with all 4 sticks, I just got this wild hair and stuck the XMS back in. Not only did it run great, all 4 sticks wewe running at cas 5! 5-4-4-12!
To my way of thinking this meant that I had done it right with two sticks. I'm in no way sure that that is true, but it does seem logical as well as makes a lot of sense. If you have everything right, it probably should run with at the very least, 2 additional sticks of matching memory. I got the idea when I had the 965P MB! I had two sticks of DDR XMS 800MHz cas3 memory, and two sticks of Corsair Value Select DDR 800MHz Cas 3.5. After getting it totally stable at 3.83GHz, I added the value selects and they ran at the XMS values! 3-3-3-5! I've been half wanting to try it on my present rig, but the only DDR2 I have at the moment, is 2x512 Samsung DDR2/5300 Samsung memory, and I don't think they will mix very well! LOL!!
My thoughts are that if you have everything set close to right when you're done fiddling around with the OC , it shouldn't matter how many sticks you run it with if it's the same memory you're adding, or as in my case, the same brand memory. I can even see very good reasons why it's harder to OC with 4 sticks, because you are sharing the memory in two channels, but spread over 4 sticks. There's bound to be some differences that could cause overclocking difficulty's, between the 4 sticks sharing the same two channels, and two dedicated channel sticks! It just makes sense to me. Then too, I could just have been lucky! I don't think it could hurt much to try if you have the right memory!!
Russ
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29. July 2009 @ 01:37 |
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Xp wasn't nearly soo picky! There must be some faulty calculation that the O.S is picking up on when the Overclock goes sour. Wish I new what that calculation was! :D
Russ,
So you think that finding that sweet spot with 2 sticks, and then reinserting the other 2 like modules, it should run good. Or at least COULD. I guess I can try. I am also afraid of harming either my board or the CPU. This build has to last me a while. Yes, I do have 2 backup computers, but only one of them is sata capable, and thats only 2 sata ports :( The new board has 6+2 I believe :D
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29. July 2009 @ 03:27 |
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I'm curious if anyone can direct me to a cheap re(E)tailer for a substance known as "Fluid Xp." Supposedly its non conductive, does not need changed for 2-3 years, and is a highly favored fluid in liquid cooling systems. Has anyone subscribed to this thread every toyed with this stuff? Whats your thoughts on non-conductivity liquid for cooling PC's? Obviously it sounds like a VERY logical means for what people like us are trying to achieve LOL! I'm really afraid of a leak in a liquid cooled system. But if its non conductive...
P.s. Im aware that debris in the case can easily allow leaked fluid to become conductive. E.g. Dust, metallic fragments, etc.
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29. July 2009 @ 03:45 |
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I wouldn't value coolermaster fans at anywhere near $12 each, I wouldn't say they're 44CFM either. They're quiet, but a 1200rpm coolermaster only really pushes the same air as a 1000rpm fan from anyone else.
For ref, I was able to preserve my 75% overclock on my E4300 (1.8 to 3.15) when I went from 2 sticks of RAM to 4 sticks - but then, I used the same RAM right from the start.
Omega: All watercooling fluid is non-conductive, most of it is also ant-galvanic, anti-corrosive and anti-algant, trouble is, if it leaks, all the chemicals used to do this leave residue, and if that ends up somewhere important, it may as well have been plain old conductive water for the good it will do you.
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29. July 2009 @ 04:01 |
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I gather by your response, you haven't tried water cooling? I apologize, you seem objective here...?
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29. July 2009 @ 07:59 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Oh yeah saw this a few pages back from Russ. Must have missed it because it urges me to respond XD
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Estuansis,
As far as I know, the Cooler master 120s are all 30 to 33 CFM.
Actually Russ, I'm using these fans right here and they ARE 43-44CFM fans.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103052
I bought two of those 4 packs and what a deal! These fans should be about $12 bucks a piece. Sure they're el-cheapo but they do a good job. And they ARE very quiet. Just as quiet as my PSU fan at least. Which means nearly silent in typical use. I've always got music going or a game or the TV is on or my floor fan is on or whatever. Even with everything off these fans are so quiet I can just ignore them. Like barely audible over my own breathing. Not only that but I run them on auto speed settings so they're even quieter than they were. The overall airflow for all three systems is actually fairly good too. I've never had a heat problem on any PC I've ever built.
Estuansis,
Actually those fans should be typically about $4.99 to $6.99 they are pretty decent fans, but I doubt the 44.73 CFM and the 19.1dBa. I just don't see any 7 blade fan doing that at 1200 RPM. It would have to be a very aggressive fan blade, and aggressive fan blades are not the quietest of fans! All of the ones I've seen that come with a C/M case are 30 to 33 CFM ball bearing fans that apparently are not sold on their own! Thay are quiet enough, but not near as quiet as the Silverstone FN-121 on the rear. I've been looking at Scythe 120mm Slipstream fans. 40.17 CFM, 800 RPM! 9 blade fan, and it should be quieter than the stock C/M fans that came with the case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185057
They say 10.70dBa but even if it was twice that, it would still be a quiet fan! I figure that if the airflow isn't quite up to spec, a pair of them should still work real well in my case. The only one I've ever seen didn't feel like it was moving 40 CFM to me. In fact it felt about the same, maybe a little more than the stock case fans I have now. I do remember it being a very quiet fan and you can plug it into the motherboard headers, 2, 3 or 4 pin. The only thing I worry about is the lower side fan. There are louvers in the side cover, and louvers make more noise than air holes because it not only blocks some airflow but it changes it's direction about 45 degrees. I do plan on giving them a try though! I read all the reviews and it's interesting that only one person gave them a very poor rating, and he was the only one out of 40 reviewers that complained about lack of airflow. 30 reviews were Excellent, 9 Good and 1 very poor! 97% are in the top two category's. That's a fair recommendation! I already know that the Kama bay fan is super quiet at 800 RPM, and these 40 CFM ones should be quieter than the Cooler Masters and should at least move as much air. Sounds like Win/Win to me!
I'm not getting obsessed with noise, but I have always managed to have fairly quiet builds, and they've been steadily getting quieter with each one. This one is almost ideal in the cooling and quiet departments. I think a pair if those Scythe's would make it about as ideal as you could ask for with 8 total fans running, and excellent cooling too! They go on my "When I Have Money" List! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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29. July 2009 @ 09:32 |
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Coolermaster fans use the least aggressive blades I see in fans on a regular basis - they are designed for minimal noise, minimal airflow. Hence why I doubt the airflow rating. The noise rating doesn't look too far off to me. Perhaps 20-21dB at the very most. The Coolermaster fans I've seen are certainly much quieter than Silverstones for this very reason, and while I'd rather have a silverstone because they actually push SOME air, it's a big noise trade off. Also, I thought the coolermaster stock fans were sleeve bearing.
Russ, the 800rpm slipstreams are about 14dB if I remember rightly, they're very quiet, miles quieter than silverstones, push a reasonable amount of air, around 30CFM I think. However, it's worth bearing in mind that any high speed slipstream does the exact same job. Undervolt a 1600 or 1900rpm version to that 800rpm (they will do it) and they're no noisier or less efficient - long story short, I want the 1900s because of how amazingly versatile they are.
Since the slipstreams are 9-bladed fans, you get a lot of air for the rpm, and since they're Scythes, they're also quiet doing it.
Unfortunately, like you, the slipstreams are on the 'when I have money' list - they may cost $36 for four from newegg, they cost £44 ($70) here, which is more than I can afford to spend on fans for a fair while - I need a new TB hard disk first!
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ok guys i switched over to windows xp 64bit got a little learning curve here. can i copy the programs from the old drive to this one with 64bit installed or do i need to reinstall everything again?
also ive tried to install IE7 and it keeps telling me this OS doesnt support it?i hate IE8..lol
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oh yea ive reinstalled AVG8 how do i get my resident sheild turned on?active? i cant get it to scan either?
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29. July 2009 @ 10:15 |
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Windows XP 64-bit basically doesn't support ANYTHING - you should use either Vista or the RC of Windows 7 in 64-bit (it's free for the moment), or stick with XP 32-bit.
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29. July 2009 @ 10:47 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
ok guys i switched over to windows xp 64bit got a little learning curve here. can i copy the programs from the old drive to this one with 64bit installed or do i need to reinstall everything again?
also ive tried to install IE7 and it keeps telling me this OS doesnt support it?i hate IE8..lol
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oh yea ive reinstalled AVG8 how do i get my resident sheild turned on?active? i cant get it to scan either?
Rob,
Just open AVG on the desktop and double click on the Resident Link icon and enable it. My pay version does the same thing. I think a lot of people were afraid of Resident Shield, to the point of uninstalling it! When I took out the Free AVG it brought up a questionnaire as why you were removing Resident Shield. I thought that odd because I've never seen it before!
Russ
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29. July 2009 @ 11:23 |
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this is what im getting.i cant open it any more than this.plus i cant get it to scan?
i see why people say xp pro 64 bit sucks. i cant get any drivers for my printer/scanner either i had to manually DL the 64bit drivers for my GPU
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29. July 2009 @ 11:29 |
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I never use the cd drivers for graphics, i can't remember how many years it's been since i used the cd that came with a graphics card.
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29. July 2009 @ 11:47 |
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well im back on the other hdd now. that xp pro64 sucks donkey tits. just gonna reinstall xp 32bit and just wait for windows 7 final to come out in a few months.
in all this switching around i did put my mushkin mem back in and im getting ready to test current OC3.83ghz with full mem now on IBT. i should be fine now.
im loven this OCZ Vendetta 2 the longer it sets on here and gets worked in the temp under load are slowly going down. look at the max in realtemp 59c under load IBT. that was in the mid 60c guess maybe the OCZ Freeze paste might be working also..lol i just burnt a disc. im gonna run PR95 now.
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29. July 2009 @ 12:04 |
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Rob - Windows 7 is free until its release, download the RC version. I personally prefer Vista, but most people think Win7 is better, it certainly uses less memory.
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29. July 2009 @ 16:57 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I'm curious if anyone can direct me to a cheap re(E)tailer for a substance known as "Fluid Xp." Supposedly its non conductive, does not need changed for 2-3 years, and is a highly favored fluid in liquid cooling systems. Has anyone subscribed to this thread every toyed with this stuff? Whats your thoughts on non-conductivity liquid for cooling PC's? Obviously it sounds like a VERY logical means for what people like us are trying to achieve LOL! I'm really afraid of a leak in a liquid cooled system. But if its non conductive...
P.s. Im aware that debris in the case can easily allow leaked fluid to become conductive. E.g. Dust, metallic fragments, etc.
I used Feser 1 coolant in my setup, was all that sam says, but it did leak, all over my PCI slot, but guess what that slot still worked after :).
id go for feser 1 if i were you.
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29. July 2009 @ 17:14 |
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i see why people say xp pro 64 bit sucks. i cant get any drivers for my printer/scanner either i had to manually DL the 64bit drivers for my GPU
Rob,
I had no problems with the 8.5 free version or the pay version which I have in mine now. I did have a problem when I installed it on the P-III. Got the same thing you have with XP. Maybe you got a bad download or something as I doubt that the OS is the reason you have the problem. Is this a multiple OS install? I ran into problems doing that the first time I tried XP-Pro 64 bit! With 64 bit being the only OS this time, I've had few problems at all with it, and only have 3 programs that will not run. Alcohol 120%, 1 Click Fixer and NCH Soundtap won't work. Alcohol won't be supplying a 64 bit version at all, as they claim it's too expensive to do. 1 Click Fixer doesn't have a 64 bit version. I'm waiting for the 64 bit drivers for Soundtap. A few things work a little funny, like Win RAR and Eraser! Neither appear in the R click menu when you highlight an icon as they did with 32 bit. My disk Stakka is no longer seen as a drive and I have to click on the Opditracker icon in the taskbar and use search, which brings up the movie list! I've had no problems with anything else at all. I have roughly 40 programs installed and they all work. DVD Rebuilder would not work the last time as it would stop right in the middle of encoding, but it works fine now. I had no issues with the Driver disk for the motherboard, either! You do have to download and install the 64 bit software for the sound and then install the sound from the driver disk, but it all works fine! 64 has a few quirks, but nothing that can't be worked around. Imgburn takes care if creating and making ISOs, although it's much slower than Alcohol! The 64 bit video drivers, I downloaded from nVidia. I have to use Riva Tuner for the video card, because they have a 64 bit version. I like XP-Pro 64 bit, but I don't recommend doing a dual boot with it because it has to be the only OS installed, before you can set up dual boot. It's in the Instructions for using XP 64 in a dual boot setup! If you are running dual boot and 32 bit was on there already, it will not work properly!
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Russ
it is the only OS on the drive. i havent done anythign with it.i just have the other HDD with XP PRO on it and went back to it. all drives are in the tower hooked up i just have to go into bios and change boot order, do you have to go searching for all the drivers on vista 64? or even windows 7 64bit???? if so i might not be going to it anytiime soon.
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