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The Official Cooling Thread!
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20. December 2007 @ 23:51 |
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sammorris,
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No case that offers airflow in the 'poor' category could achieve those temps.
Throw a hot single port Vid card or two in it and watch those temps climb as the heat is partly drawn through the CPU cooler. I could never use one on the right side of my desk, thanks to the non-reversible full length door that opens right to left. I'm happy with what I got! Works well just the way it is! LOL!!
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Russ
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20. December 2007 @ 23:56 |
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Nonetheless I can't help but consider a PC that puts out a fair amount of heat (yours doesn't fit into that category, let's be honest) is still going to be victim to less than perfect temps inside your case. Nowhere near as bad as some, agreed, but the 7600GT only puts out half as much heat as my X1900XT, which puts out slightly less than an 8800GT, let alone two of them like some people use.
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21. December 2007 @ 00:02 |
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sammorris,
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Nowhere near as bad as some, agreed, but the 7600GT only puts out half as much heat as my X1900XT, which puts out slightly less than an 8800GT, let alone two of them like some people use.
You forget, I've already had some hot stuff in the same case! That was the home of the D-940 before I put it back in the window case. The X800GTO ran decidedly warm, and the D-940 was no E6750!
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Russ
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21. December 2007 @ 00:30 |
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Either way, the X800GTO does not produce anywhere near as much heat as the current top end GPUs, and even the extreme heat of an OC'ed D940 would only put the balance back to the amount of heat a PC like mine generates. There are many builds that put out far more heat than that.
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22. December 2007 @ 13:01 |
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yo, guys i was wondering, why when Overclocking why can't you turn the multiplier to the max and the clock speed? what is stopping it to do that? is it the heat or something else
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22. December 2007 @ 13:27 |
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Do you mean why we don't we turn up the FSB to the boards max? Well there are many reasons for not doing that. First of all it wouldn't work, the RAM or the CPU wont be able to stand that high. Also many people would not like the voltage required to go to the max REALISTIC overclock. Also the heat does come into play. I have taken my E6750 to 4ghz, but I am not comfortable with how much I have to turn up the voltage and the heat it would produce as I am still on stock cooling.
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22. December 2007 @ 13:43 |
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oh thn why the CPU's FSB can go so high and it doesn't work.
so it's still the heat and voltage problem...
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22. December 2007 @ 13:55 |
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GTR35,
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yo, guys i was wondering, why when Overclocking why can't you turn the multiplier to the max and the clock speed? what is stopping it to do that? is it the heat or something else
Most CPUs have locked multipliers. Most can be lowered but can't be raised above it's particular preset limit. My E6750 has a locked multiplier of 8x. I can lower it to 7 or 6x, but I can't raise it above 8x. In theory, the higher the multiplier, the lower the FSB can to be to achieve a particular CPU speed. The reason I say "Theory" is because all of this is dependent on so many different variables like the quality of the motherboard and how well it regulates the voltages, memory, Power Supply and as you mentioned, Heat!
With the GO stepping, at least on the Exx50 series, heat is pretty much a non-issue. They are so thermally efficient that they just don't create much heat to begin with. The problem with this is that overvolting the CPU voltage can cause Electro-Migration, which is fatal to the CPU. Think of the electronic paths inside a CPU as being like tiny water pipes. Too much pressure and they spring a leak! The electrons will break through into different paths. Once that happens it can't be repaired and the CPU is toast! A very expensive lesson, to say the least!
Hope this helps you better understand the way things work.
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theone :<)
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22. December 2007 @ 13:58 |
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No GTR it's not a heat problem. The thing is that the CPU can't withstand a high FSB without a voltage increase, and when you increase the voltage high enough it will cause electro migration(see theonejrs' post above).
Also even with voltage increases there is only so much speed a CPU can handle.
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22. December 2007 @ 14:17 |
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ooo, ok i understand now, thnx guys
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23. January 2008 @ 23:41 |
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the best way to gain performance is to balance your fsb, cpu multi and ram speeds with the trade of in heat it produces.
mine will run fune @ 3.4ghz on a x9 but because its on 1520 fsb it lessens my mem bandwidth which has a hit on performance as it starves the cpu of info slightly. so it runs 24/7 with 1600 fsb on a x8 multi, although its only 3.2ghz the mem bandwidth is higher so the performance drop is only slight even tho its 200mhz slower. it also runs about 4c cooler on the cores as it needs less volts to do it.
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23. January 2008 @ 23:53 |
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Well I am a total noob when it comes to Liquid Cooling. I want to know what to use to cool the system below. I have not overclocked before and do not want to until my system is properly cooled. It has 1 120mm intake fan and 2 120mm exhaust fans, the fan block on my cpu and the fans in the power supply. My system temp is about 45C and CPU is 50C (i dont know the temps at load) So i want a system that is not overly large but will effectively cool my cpu, both gfx card (and hdd, ram, chipset if recommended).
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23. January 2008 @ 23:59 |
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You don't need water cooling. All you need is a decent case with good ventilation(it seems you have that), and a good air cooler on the GFX card and CPU.
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24. January 2008 @ 02:10 |
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a good after market cpu heatsink and maybe another intake fan for you case should do the job well.
tuniq tower 120, thermalright ultra 120, i have read some good things about the zerotherm nv120 or you could get a cheapo freezer 7 pro like me :P
i would try to add another intake fan tho as negative preasure can cause issues by pulling air in thru places you dont want it to really, and you want to control the air flow thru your case so its coming in as close to the hotter parts as pos, so one over your xfired cards would be ideal.
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24. January 2008 @ 07:58 |
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Indeed, unless you know what you're doing I'd recommend the air cooling route. It's simpler, cheaper, and often gives results surprisingly close to that of the lower-end watercooling setups.
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24. January 2008 @ 11:04 |
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the c2Q, they are bandwitdh hungry, so it is better than just increasing to the max FBS on their normal multi, is to lower the mutli as much a possible, and then increace the FBS even more. this will give you the same clock, with more bandwith. this will help the C2Q perform better.
1066/4 = 266
266 x 9 = 2.4GHz Q6600.
333 x 9 = 3.0GHz Q6600 OC
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its better to do this.
429 x 7 = 3.0GHz Q6600 OC.
this will perform better then just raising the FBS as above.
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24. January 2008 @ 14:50 |
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Really? Can you get some benchmarks on this?
If someone tells me how I'll try it out and post benchmarks.
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24. January 2008 @ 18:59 |
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im sure superPI would run quicker.
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27. January 2008 @ 02:18 |
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I have an Asus P5W DH Deluce, with and Intel Q6600 which I want to Overclock. Out of the Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme and the Thermalright IFX-14 which would be better for cooling. Is the IFX-14 worth the bit extra (if so 120mm fan or 140mm fan). I have a Gigabyte 3D Aurora Case. I am also going to get the Thermalright HR-03 GT for my gfx cards should i use a fan or not?
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27. January 2008 @ 08:43 |
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The Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme is better. By all means use a fan on the GPU cooler, it will keep it cooler. Of course we have "certain" members, not gonna say who, who are OBSESSED with silence and they have no fan on their Thermalright HR-03 GT.
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27. January 2008 @ 10:08 |
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Haha, that's what I'm going to do, I haven't bought an HR-03GT yet, I'm still using the regular HR-03 on my old graphics card, since the 3870 doesn't arrive until tuesday.
Without doubt you will get better temps using a 92mm fan (if you can be bothered to attach it, it can be a bit frustrating sometimes), but the option is there to not use one if you want a really quiet PC - a well cooled case will see load temps of no more than 70C even without a fan, not bad considering using the stock cooler in its normal config, 90C is to be expected.
As far as the CPU HSF goes, get the Ultra120 extreme. Do buy a fan for that, it doesn't need to be fast (I use one at 750rpm) but it does need to have one.
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27. January 2008 @ 12:34 |
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Sam, when you get the 3870 will you be playing Crysis more?
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27. January 2008 @ 12:37 |
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Undoubtedly. I don't mind the game, but didn't want to play it on a card that has to run it at 800x600 to get a decent frame rate with decent graphics settings.
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14. February 2008 @ 14:11 |
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Hello people, not sure if this is the right thread but here goes
I have an acer aspire laptop 5633 which is just over a year old, i upgraded it to vista within a few months of getting it. everytime i have tried to use nero vision to transcode a movie project the laptop shuts down. someone suggested it was the cpu overheating.
i tried downloadign speedfan and everest but they show no fans and speedfan just showed silly high temps and none specifically said cpu.
its becoming more and more annoying because it over heats quite a bit and shuts down.
i contacted acer to ask if they could look at it under the three year warranty only to be told that tescos put it in the wrong box and it doesnt have a 3 year warranty - mmm someone is gonna have to take responsibility for the warranty cos i aint giving up on it.
but is there anything people could suggest to confirm the fan might not being working at all or the cpu has a problem. im concerned because i've read that constant overheating can shorten the life of cpu so im inclined to think that they should replace cpu and fan etc - any thoughts very welcome
Lisa
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14. February 2008 @ 14:42 |
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Try downloading Everest and check your CPU temps.
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